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  Methos12

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Its better to be quiet and perceived as stupid, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

11/07/12 4:51:55 AM#41
You send Jeff Hickman of all people to placate your customers? Jeff Hickman of Warhammer Online infamy? Good luck with that and I mean it.

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  User Deleted
11/07/12 4:57:17 AM#42
Originally posted by Po_gg
Originally posted by Swanea

Also..why did the OP delete his account?

Before the delete OP made a post about negative comments and something about stars and forum ranks... honestly I didn't understood because I don't know how the forum status / ranks works.

But I guess it's hard to stay on the positive side when this Hickman dude saying such funny statements :)

 

There are ALOT of people that will try SWTOR when it goes f2p, and there will be ALOT of people that go on to sub.

 

Contrary to what these boards tell you, not everyone is a jaded SWG vet. Imagine that eh? 

 

  jpnz

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11/07/12 5:00:19 AM#43
Originally posted by kalrhael
 

There are ALOT of people that will try SWTOR when it goes f2p, and there will be ALOT of people that go on to sub.

 

Contrary to what these boards tell you, not everyone is a jaded SWG vet. Imagine that eh? 

 

I agree with this post.

SWG was an MMO that not many tried / played actually.

It is something a lot of vocal minority talk about but 1st hand exp is not that common since SWG never had a large playerbase to begin with.

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  jpnz

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11/07/12 5:01:06 AM#44
Originally posted by Swanea

 

Also..why did the OP delete his account?

Thought it was against the TOS to copy-paste other people's content?

Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.

  User Deleted
11/07/12 5:27:41 AM#45

DENY EVERYTHING.

Put fingers in your ears and sing...la la ala la ala.

Man, its pretty sure it will shut down next year lol, guess hes just showing EA how much he loves them :)

  Po_gg

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11/07/12 5:29:20 AM#46
Originally posted by kalrhael
Originally posted by Po_gg
 

 There are ALOT of people that will try SWTOR when it goes f2p, and there will be ALOT of people that go on to sub.

 Contrary to what these boards tell you, not everyone is a jaded SWG vet. Imagine that eh?

I'm not sure why you replied that to me, since I never said anything about SWG... (I'm not even a SWG vet)

But I disagree with the first part. Those ALOT of people you mention could try the game right now, there's an unlimited trial to lvl15. I admit I don't have actual numbers, but when the last time (cca a month ago) I checked, the starter area was empty... So why do you (or EA) thinks a much more restricted version will luring in any players? And then ALOT of them will subscribe? They could do that right now if they want. But the exodus of subscribers shows pretty much the opposite.

Don't get me wrong, I loved the story in TOR, and as I said many times I will go back to finish the rest of the classes. But I'm with the minority in this matter (maybe with Frodo :) ). Most of the players wouldn't touch TOR again even if EA pay them for it.

  jpnz

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11/07/12 5:34:50 AM#47
Originally posted by Po_gg
 

/snip

Don't get me wrong, I loved the story in TOR, and as I said many times I will go back to finish the rest of the classes. But I'm with the minority in this matter (maybe with Frodo :) ). Most of the players wouldn't touch TOR again even if EA pay them for it.

Red highlighted text is exactly what a lot of people are thinking; at least those that I know of.

 

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  Elikal

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11/07/12 6:52:35 AM#48
tl;dr... did he say anything WHEN the f2p conversion happens??

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  Po_gg

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11/07/12 7:05:32 AM#49
Originally posted by Elikal
tl;dr... did he say anything WHEN the f2p conversion happens??

Nope, just the plain old "this Fall".

Only a wild guess, but since technically fall is cca. 6 weeks more, and he said "getting Game Updates out to you every 6 weeks or so", I think they will goofing with the conversion until the next letter on dec.21 :) (and maybe secretly hoping that the mayan was right, so they don't have to put much effort in it :D )

  huskie77

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11/07/12 7:10:28 AM#50
I don't trust the judgement of anyone with tattoos that bad. I'm sorry but there is no excuse with so many great ink artists out there.

  Mothanos

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11/07/12 7:15:17 AM#51

Worste money i ever spended in my life, will not even look at it in free to fail state.
Where is that iraqe guy when you need him ?

I demand that guy in this thread and say it with a straight face !!!

  meddyck

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11/07/12 7:26:30 AM#52

If the game is awesome, then it wouldn't need a F2P conversion. If it needs a F2P conversion (it does), then it should get a real F2P option not this freemium crap where you have to pay extra for the normal number of quickbars or to hide your head slot or to play a reasonable number of warzones. They're trying to have it both ways, and it isn't going to work.

I enjoyed the game for the first 3 months and will see if there is any fun to be had in the F2P version, but the assholish way they are doing it certainly doesn't make me want to give them more money.

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  Torgrim

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11/07/12 7:39:41 AM#53

1. Our game is awesome. People love it and want to play it.

2. The subscription requirement was driving away huge numbers of people who do not want to commit to paying monthly.

 

If it's not broken, you are not innovating.

  RavingRabbid

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11/07/12 7:42:06 AM#54

When I log in there are still plenty of people still playing and enjoying the game. Is the game perfect? Not by any stretch, but neither are any games out there right now.

No matter what you think of SWTOR or any game on this site, I find it rather funny and naive that many of the forum users expect any game's leadership to come out publicly and blast thier own game. They arent any better than politicians.

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  Elikal

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11/07/12 7:44:57 AM#55
Originally posted by RavingRabbid

When I log in there are still plenty of people still playing and enjoying the game. Is the game perfect? Not by any stretch, but neither are any games out there right now.

No matter what you think of SWTOR or any game on this site, I find it rather funny and naive that many of the forum users expect any game's leadership to come out publicly and blast thier own game. They arent any better than politicians.

I have to agree here. SWTOR is severe flaws, but it isn't worse than a lot other stuff, like GW2, which actually kept me considerably less time. And yes, it is absurd to expect they bash their own game. Still, some insight like "we are going to make this and that better" instead of just "we make more of the same" would have been welcome.

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  Kazara

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"Denial does not change reality."

11/07/12 7:45:22 AM#56

I am sure that when SWTOR is launched as F2P, there will be many players that will try it now that the purchase barrier has been removed. While there may be many that subscribe to escape the ridiculous F2P restrictions, players will continue to move on like most of the other players that have already done so. F2P will not fix what ails this game.

I enjoyed SWTOR for the few months I played it, then I found there was precious little to do that I enjoyed after leveling. I did not quit due to a subscription fee, I quit because there was no real game play left for me to enjoy worthy of a sub fee.

 

  Margulis

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11/07/12 7:53:30 AM#57

I can't think of one AAA mmo that has been released over the last 5 or so years that I have stopped playing, but did NOT go back to or even think of giving another try..........except SWTOR.  This was EASILY the biggest mmo letdown for me of all time - miles ahead of Vanguard.  There is a 0% chance I could ever go back to that steaming pile of generic lifeless doo again for the rest of my life.

  Margulis

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11/07/12 7:55:53 AM#58
Originally posted by SuperXero89

I don't believe SW:TOR's new F2P model will retain former subscribers.  It's one of those models which functions very well as an extended free trial, but it's too restrictive to enjoy the game at the level cap.  The F2P model should help make lower levels areas appear more active and EA should make some money out of the cash shop.  Beyond that, it's a wash.

Content updates have been too slow.  After the conversion to F2P, I do hope they can maintain their supposed update schedule, but they need to add more than new flashpoints and operations.  They need to add additional quest hubs, space missions, and features in addition to endgame content.

As for the number of people leaving, it's hard to believe there would be so many people leaving BioWare if the game met expectations; however, I don't believe that the game is as bad off as people say.  First of all, it's still one of the most popular MMORPGs on the market, and people are no longer leaving the game in droves.  The problem was that people had wild expectations for SW:TOR that BioWare failed to meet.  As a result, there are a lot of spurned MMO fans out there, and the tide of public opinion has turned against EA and BioWare.  It's now "cool" to hate on SW:TOR, and most of the people hating on the game don't even have legitimate arguments to raise against it.

 

 

Yep, that was definitely the problem, our expectations were just too high.  :P

  User Deleted
11/07/12 7:56:41 AM#59
Originally posted by RavingRabbid

When I log in there are still plenty of people still playing and enjoying the game. Is the game perfect? Not by any stretch, but neither are any games out there right now.

No matter what you think of SWTOR or any game on this site, I find it rather funny and naive that many of the forum users expect any game's leadership to come out publicly and blast thier own game. They arent any better than politicians.

Well what about telling the truth.

Like for example,we have tried to do everything to fix ability delays,but it is not possible to fix it ,because of engine or whatever....

instead of lies that its fixed.

And now because its not possible to fix it we will do some changes to gameplay,some instant actions will be channeled now,animations removed or whatever...

But telling lies and denying that there is problems just gives the picture that they think that Star Wars fans are idiots and you can say whatever you like to them and they will buy it.

But what is going to happen is that people starts to think that Star Wars is full of shit,hear me Disney.

 

  Lugors

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11/07/12 8:01:23 AM#60

Where is this hidden population of people who have never played SWTOR and will come out of the wood work for F2P?  The initial release had TV ads and a full marketing push from EA to get people buying.  Of those 2.4 million who had the initial financial investment in the game, only 25% stuck around by the 1 year mark. 

Now people who will have nothing invested in the game but the download time will be so enamered that they will suddenly subscribe?  It's the same exact game it was a year ago!  The former sub is not the target here because the F2P will just give you a nuetered experience that you weren't gonna pay for anyways.

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