Originally posted by PsyMike3d
my main problem with War Z are the damn hackers.............

-And you prove my point (about people paying to test)

In a Beta you should be trying to Hack ... How can they make sure Hacks do not work once released if you do not hack while testing (and report the problem)

The idea is to try to "break the game" so the devs know what will happen when it goes live.

Originally posted by Nilarko

I went there looking for some zombie-killing fun, and all it turns out to be is an FPS with Zombies in the background.

Most people in the game don't care about the zombies, they just want to kill other players.

Shoot a zombie? I might need that ammo for a player!

If you want some FPS deathmath, there are much better ones out there.

AVOID WAR Z.

 

Originally posted by SaintPhilip

Originally posted by PsyMike3d
my main problem with War Z are the damn hackers.............

-And you prove my point (about people paying to test)

In a Beta you should be trying to Hack ... How can they make sure Hacks do not work once released if you do not hack while testing (and report the problem)

The idea is to try to "break the game" so the devs know what will happen when it goes live.

Well, my problem with that is, as far as i am concerned it is live. They can call it what ever stage they want but that won't change the fact people pay for it to go play it now...not some unknown date in the future. Who would have paid for the game now if they said you can't play it until release in 2035 (yes exagerated for effect.) What exactly is a 'release'? I would have thought it was when anyone who wanted to play it could buy it and play it which is what there is now.

You can't just give everyone paid access to the game then say "hey don't be a critic of the game it is still in development until we say it is no longer in development"

I have gone on rants in other threads talking about how this business model is unethical at best. Sadly the business model is bad for both parties in the long run. But at least the devs get to eat bread today at the expence of everyone else right? great. 

Originally posted by Oriphus

Originally posted by SaintPhilip

Originally posted by PsyMike3d
my main problem with War Z are the damn hackers.............

-And you prove my point (about people paying to test)

In a Beta you should be trying to Hack ... How can they make sure Hacks do not work once released if you do not hack while testing (and report the problem)

The idea is to try to "break the game" so the devs know what will happen when it goes live.

Well, my problem with that is, as far as i am concerned it is live. They can call it what ever stage they want but that won't change the fact people pay for it to go play it now...not some unknown date in the future. Who would have paid for the game now if they said you can't play it until release in 2035 (yes exagerated for effect.) What exactly is a 'release'? I would have thought it was when anyone who wanted to play it could buy it and play it which is what there is now.

 

You can't just give everyone paid access to the game then say "hey don't be a critic of the game it is still in development until we say it is no longer in development"

 

I have gone on rants in other threads talking about how this business model is unethical at best. Sadly the business model is bad for both parties in the long run. But at least the devs get to eat bread today at the expence of everyone else right? great. 

I agree with you- That WAS my point... These companies want their Cake and want to eat it too.

http://forums.thewarz.com/showthread.php?57081-Updates-anti-cheat-engine-It-s-a-Ban-time-!

they just activated their anti-cheating system, so you should see any cheaters getting banned. btw: have yet to see one myself.

Originally posted by SaintPhilip

Originally posted by goflish

The OP obvously doesn't know what he is talking about, they pushed beta back to Nov 30th abd the game is still in Alpha.

I guarentee 100% the OP bought the game with the attitude that he/she would play it as a released game and not as an Alpha where you constantly look for bugs, exploits and glitches and report them to the devs ASAP. (most people are having this problem distinguishing between Alpha and a released game)

This is the problem with allowing people to buy in to Alpha testing, they skip the testing part.

Yes but whose fault is that?

Seriously? Back in the day game testers were paid, then they were selected- Today they pay to test...Companies seem to want their Cake and eat it too- Get some initial funds and free game testers at the same time.

By opening this door to "pay to test" they do NOT get testers- They get " players"- So the bad PR is their own fault.

-That said, you are correct- But again, where does the fault lie?

EDIT: Back in the day Beta testers actually fillled out applications. A company wanted folks with different specs and experience. Today they just want cash- Period. And this is the result. Poorly tested games, bad PR, etc, etc...

Amen. "Beta testing" has become ajoke of late. No one tests, they just bitch and moan if the game has problems. Companies need to quit this for their own good, but of course they will never do that. Once they have tasted that revenue stream, they will want to keep drinking from it. 

Originally posted by Realbigdeal

I heard someone saying that The WarZ is not an mmo.

Let me guess, its not an mmo because zombies dont drop gold and an epic great Sword? So let me guess again, if its too realistic, it cannot be an mmo right?

I mean come on, its not because its something you never found in a mmo or so different that it means that its not one of them. The wow generation is too soft for that game, but they dont know yet. So they come here saying how bad the game is with the wrong mindset.

 

 

The difference between this and other mmo's is the fact that bears wont drop anything. its perma death. If you never heard of perma death, then you probably never tried Diablo. This time, its perma death in a open world pvp and you also have the choice to avoid that by playing on normal instead of hardcore.

Now, you can always join a clan if you dont want to die all the time. In a mmo, you're suppose to socialize, but there's so much cave trolls playing mmo's, that they get loss when their last option to survive is to socialize so instead of trying to group up, they end up whining in the forum when they should be looking for a guild instead.

 

Finally, the real reason you're not forced to kill any zombies, is simply cuz the game is not complete. The zombies are retarded right now. They cant see you when they're not really far and they cant reall hear the sound of a gun. Just like days, these things will change and you will be forced to kill a wave of zombies to survive just like and left for dead.

no it is nothing more than a fps game ;)

To me, the fun of a zombie apocalypse is the idea of humans banding together to fight the unstoppable hordes of brain-eaters.

Yes, zombie apocalypse literature has lots of human-human conflict.  But the main struggle is always humans v. zombies.  And the most compelling storylines dealt with how polyglot collections of people learned to work together.

I agree with the opening post.  From what I have heard War Z is basically a bunch of people in death match with other people and zombies are there as background noise.  What is the point?  Why not just play any other of the FPS?

I blame the designers.  They should know that a substantial portion of the customer base, when offered a chance to kill other humans, is ALWAYS going to interpret that as they MUST kill every person they see on sight.  Ninety nine percent of the rest of the game, whether it is lush graphics or atmosphere, fades into irrelevance for these people.  For them, the entire world is putting that aiming reticle in the middle of someone's forehead - over and over and over again.

Not for me *yawn* - and I am sorry to see such a promising concept heading off towards the same-old, same-old.

people dont seem to realize,

the game isnt about zombies its about survival.

the zombies are merely what holds it together but other palyers are the main threat in this survival based game. The setup could be mad max style or a virus or alien threat but zombies makes sense from a popularity perspective.

If you really wanted challenging pve to go along with your survival game, then prehaps a jurrasic park style survival game with dinosaurs as opposed to zombies or a STALKER setting would work better. But theres only ever going to be so much of a challenge zombies can cause.

Only problem is warz is missing most of the survival elements that makes dayz fun.

I was at a friends watching him play this and I would have to agree with Op...the zombie combat in the game seemed less a focus them having to fight against other players. It was his biggest complaint. Due to some very limited ammo in the game play trying to do zombie killing tends to result in your death due to gankers. To me it felt like a dumb down version of combat arms zombie mission with more douche baggery.

This game should not be classed as a mmo in any way shape or form. Though I have been hearing some rumor mill at Horror cons that there is a mmo being developed based on the WWZ book and movie I thought it was this game but was laughed at when I said this out loud. Guess even the horror geeks knew this would be a joke....Then again these are the same people praying for a lovecraftian mmo.

Why would anyone wanna kill zombies in the game right now is confusing to  me. I could run around with my hammer all day and kill zombies and just get some money out of it. There is no incentive to PvE and to much to PvP. 

What poeple right now seem to fail to notice is that there is no reason at all to kill zombies. There is no XP or skills in the game yet. There is also no reason to be "afraid" of death. The loot you loose can in most cases just be found again easily enough and you do not lose anything. Well access to you character in that whole hour and that is only a problem if you manage to get killed every 10 minutes and stuck without a character for 10 minutes. 

I mean yes the OP is spot on, but not sure if you should avoid it. I still find it enjoyable and believe that once released it might be fun. The devs are working hard from what I can tell at the moment and do update often. It might also fail, but I have already got my monies worth out of it. 

I think some need to step back and read what is to come on this game.

There will be skills

Grouping/Team building

zombies to drop cash and Items even now in beta - so there would be one reason to kill them.

Game not the best out there as of now, but I see where it could go.  

It is in beta, paying now for it gives you a discount and early access to the game.  If you ordered before Oct 15th think it was, you got the game cheaper than it is now to order it. 

Originally posted by kastrix

Originally posted by Cakeisyummeh
Just get a refund o: the devs are terrible. Isn't going to improve much more than it already has.

i want to warn everyone that the devs dont follow the europe lawn on refunds. This company cannot be trusted and is clearly not serious. They copied the toa from another comapny, the ceo calls people faggot and the admins talks about how they will use admin powers to kill people on the server, and giving free stuff to his friends. 

More and more people are saying the exact same things... I tought it's not possible but...

Tho, regarding refunds... They don't have to give you a refund. You just contact your credit card company and say you want to do a chargeback because you bought a broken product with very uncivilized support and they'll do a chargeback in matter of hours. You'll get your money back, WarZ will be charged for your money and problem solved. It's a common buyers protection.

This game is 19 dollars. What is wrong with you people. Best 20 bucks I have spent in a long time on a video game. Who cares if its half complete. It's sand box.

:D

War Z is basically DayZ for the Call of Duty kiddies. I used to think the DayZ servers were filled with a massive amount of douchers but, War Z is 10 times worse. If you are looking for a zombie survival game and enjoy a bunch of ritalin/mt. dew fueled pre-teens who just learned how to swear...  The War Z is the game you are looking for.

Also calling this game a MMO is just insane, it is no more of an MMO than BF3/TF2.