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  botrytis

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11/02/12 7:29:16 AM#41
Originally posted by Sidad
Boring. :( Give me server with open world pvp or let ppl turn on/off pvp option in open world or at least give me duels than we can talk about game getting interesting again for me.

Read the design notes that A.Net published on the game. THe game is NOT designed for what you want. The game is not for you - move on and stop whining.

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  Tekaelon

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11/02/12 7:43:08 AM#42
LOL I'm still working my way to 80. I better get busy. This is a truly amazing game!
  Nadia

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11/02/12 8:01:54 AM#43
Originally posted by Sidad
Boring. :( Give me server with open world pvp or let ppl turn on/off pvp option in open world or at least give me duels than we can talk about game getting interesting again for me.

custom arenas are coming

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/structured-pvp-iceberg/

Custom arenas are special PvP maps, rented by players, that will allow you to set up passwords, host scrims, and test strategies with your team.  This will allow you to challenge other teams, work on your builds in secret, and test your skills 1-on-1 with friends.  You can open the server up to everyone and set the map rotation you like best, or keep your arena password-protected so it serves as your private training ground.

 

 

 

 

  killion81

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11/02/12 8:07:08 AM#44
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Sidad
Boring. :( Give me server with open world pvp or let ppl turn on/off pvp option in open world or at least give me duels than we can talk about game getting interesting again for me.

custom arenas are coming

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/structured-pvp-iceberg/

Custom arenas are special PvP maps, rented by players, that will allow you to set up passwords, host scrims, and test strategies with your team.  This will allow you to challenge other teams, work on your builds in secret, and test your skills 1-on-1 with friends.  You can open the server up to everyone and set the map rotation you like best, or keep your arena password-protected so it serves as your private training ground.

 

"rented by players" sounds a lot like recurring payment.  Recurring payment sounds a lot like subscription.  Interesting that they would essentially target a very small segment of the population with the greatest interest in their sPvP/tPvP and charge them in a recurring manner.

  botrytis

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11/02/12 8:37:39 AM#45
Originally posted by killion81
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Sidad
Boring. :( Give me server with open world pvp or let ppl turn on/off pvp option in open world or at least give me duels than we can talk about game getting interesting again for me.

custom arenas are coming

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/structured-pvp-iceberg/

Custom arenas are special PvP maps, rented by players, that will allow you to set up passwords, host scrims, and test strategies with your team.  This will allow you to challenge other teams, work on your builds in secret, and test your skills 1-on-1 with friends.  You can open the server up to everyone and set the map rotation you like best, or keep your arena password-protected so it serves as your private training ground.

 

"rented by players" sounds a lot like recurring payment.  Recurring payment sounds a lot like subscription.  Interesting that they would essentially target a very small segment of the population with the greatest interest in their sPvP/tPvP and charge them in a recurring manner.

THis is because they want to get into eSports. Remember, the first 3 yrears of GW, they had a GvG and an HoM tournaments worth big bucks.

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  evolver1972

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11/02/12 8:44:37 AM#46
Originally posted by Loke666

Maybe this finally will shut the people up who have been saying that B2P games cant add the same amount of free content as P2P games can.

This is at least as much as P2P games add.

^^This 350,000 times.

 

And from the looks of it, this is going to be fairly normal for the game.

 

Of course, GW2 is failing and it's boring because there's nothing new to do and all content is used up in about 2 weeks.

 

It's nice to see a dev delivering on its promises.  And people wonder why I like ArenaNet so much.  Nice work guys!

You want me to pay to play a game I already paid for???

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  mWo4life

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11/02/12 8:49:02 AM#47
And they do it without requring a sub-fee? If they keep delivering a new content regularly, I cannot see how other mmos can justify a $15 sub-fee anymore?
  evolver1972

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11/02/12 8:50:18 AM#48
Originally posted by killion81
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Sidad
Boring. :( Give me server with open world pvp or let ppl turn on/off pvp option in open world or at least give me duels than we can talk about game getting interesting again for me.

custom arenas are coming

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/structured-pvp-iceberg/

Custom arenas are special PvP maps, rented by players, that will allow you to set up passwords, host scrims, and test strategies with your team.  This will allow you to challenge other teams, work on your builds in secret, and test your skills 1-on-1 with friends.  You can open the server up to everyone and set the map rotation you like best, or keep your arena password-protected so it serves as your private training ground.

 

"rented by players" sounds a lot like recurring payment.  Recurring payment sounds a lot like subscription.  Interesting that they would essentially target a very small segment of the population with the greatest interest in their sPvP/tPvP and charge them in a recurring manner.

It's not a subscription in the sense of subscribing just to play the game.  They are talking about renting a server that YOU can control.  That is vastly different from the typical subscription.  Also, I imagine it won't be that cheap to run it.  I bet it'll be more likely that a guild pays for the server.   That means that it may be very few individual players would be paying that fee.

 

So, it's not like a subscription at all - at least not like in other games.  Besides that, it's an option.  There is the possibility that no one will even rent one server.  I guess the game would fold then.....

 

Also, how do you know that any of that "subscription" money would go to any other aspect of the game?  While I imagine the company would skim a bit off the top, I find it most likely that most of the money would go toward the monetary rewards of the esport.  Just like they did in GW1.

You want me to pay to play a game I already paid for???

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  hikaru77

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11/02/12 9:00:23 AM#49
Originally posted by mWo4life
And they do it without requring a sub-fee? If they keep delivering a new content regularly, I cannot see how other mmos can justify a $15 sub-fee anymore?

It looks like a B2P update for me.  Just a one time world event, a medium/small island and some other PvE stuff. Nothing new about PvP or real competitive PvP or WvWvW. And maybe you didnt notice it yet, but GW2 is not even a competition for the P2P market anymore, it was for like a week, not now. 

  Nadia

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11/02/12 9:07:12 AM#50
Originally posted by hikaru77
Originally posted by mWo4life
And they do it without requring a sub-fee? If they keep delivering a new content regularly, I cannot see how other mmos can justify a $15 sub-fee anymore?

It looks like a B2P update for me.  Just a one time world event, a medium/small island and some other PvE stuff. Nothing new about PvP or real competitive PvP or WvWvW. And maybe you didnt notice it yet, but GW2 is not even a competition for the P2P market anymore, it was for like a week, not now. 

i dont know any better than you

but GW2 is the best selling mmo on Amazon -- in top 10 PC Games, 2 months later

http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Video-Games-PC-compatible/zgbs/videogames/4924894011/ref=zg_bs_nav_vg_2_229575

 

ncsoft and blizzard should both be announcing Q3 financial reports next week

  fivoroth

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11/02/12 9:15:19 AM#51

This patch looks good. I really like it when an MMO adds landmass through patches.

It is still too early to say if they will be able to patch the game as much as a P2P MMO. Most MMOs release crazy amounts of content after release (most of the content was probably worked on even before the game was released). This does not indicate whether they will be able to deliver content on a regular basis. Even GW1 got quite a few content patches after release.Lets hope ArenaNet keeps their content rolling. Even if it is in the form of DLCs, it is still better than P2P.

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  L0C0Man

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11/02/12 9:29:28 AM#52
Originally posted by Sidad
Originally posted by Badaboom
Originally posted by Drakynn
Originally posted by Sidad
Originally posted by Shroom_Mage

 


Originally posted by Sidad
Boring. :( Give me server with open world pvp or let ppl turn on/off pvp option in open world or at least give me duels than we can talk about game getting interesting again for me.

 

That's like asking for a PvE server in Planetside 2 or complaining that there's no friendly fire in Team Fortress 2. It won't work. It can't work. It will never happen. If it's a deal breaker for you, stop complaining and go elsewhere.

Duels will probably be included at some point, but if the game is boring to you without them, you should probably go elsewhere anyway.

Dude did I ask you to comment my comment? Who are you to tell me what to do or where to go, lol. So don't be douchebag since I paid for game as well so i'm customer same as you probably are so I have right to comment on the game and express my feelings like everyone else here does. If you dont like what I say you are free to read something else or try to comment in civilized manner. Peace.

 
 

You posted in a PUBLIC Forum so yes you did ask for comments on your comments just by posting here....not saying your opinion of GW2 is wrong or right or whether his comemnt on yours is wrong or right,but a forum is by definition is a place to state opinion and have them discussed and argued and a PUBLIC forum means it's open to all nto jsut peopel of a certain persuasion.

The proper response is...who the hell are you to make such a demand to the developer?!  If you don't like it leave.  Play a game with the feature that you want. 

lol Im hell of a customer lol. Smart business ppl listen to their customers.

Not always, and I'd say specially not in this case. Duels is something they've already mentioned is in the works... open world PvP, though, is something that I really can't see working, at least not with a massive (and costly and time consuming) rewrite of the game.


Since there are no factions they would either need to be added to the game somehow, or turn it into a FFA PvP game. Events are the big driving force on progression, even more as you progress further in the game and there are fewer and fewer hearts and more events. Having the game being open world PvP would basically break most events, lots of which are already chaotic enough, so new events would need to be designed and scripted around the PvP setting. Personal history would also need to be rewritten to take into account player or faction battles, with all that it implies, like voice acting recording. And that for a game that, IMHO, is the most anti-PvP designed game I've played when it comes to open world, since it was designed from the ground up for you to want to be around other people in PvE, which is why it has things like event participation levels, instanced resource nodes, shared kill rewards and the like.

Smart business listen to their costumers... unless their costumers are basically telling them "spend all this money and time to change everything about your product so that it fits me".

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  Illyssia

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11/02/12 9:41:25 AM#53
Originally posted by hikaru77
Originally posted by mWo4life
And they do it without requring a sub-fee? If they keep delivering a new content regularly, I cannot see how other mmos can justify a $15 sub-fee anymore?

It looks like a B2P update for me.  Just a one time world event, a medium/small island and some other PvE stuff. Nothing new about PvP or real competitive PvP or WvWvW. And maybe you didnt notice it yet, but GW2 is not even a competition for the P2P market anymore, it was for like a week, not now. 

It's the problem if you try to persist in GW2. You have to credit card pay at some stage or other. NCsoft will break you at some point if you keep going. 

  evolver1972

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11/02/12 10:39:01 AM#54
Originally posted by Illyssia
Originally posted by hikaru77
Originally posted by mWo4life
And they do it without requring a sub-fee? If they keep delivering a new content regularly, I cannot see how other mmos can justify a $15 sub-fee anymore?

It looks like a B2P update for me.  Just a one time world event, a medium/small island and some other PvE stuff. Nothing new about PvP or real competitive PvP or WvWvW. And maybe you didnt notice it yet, but GW2 is not even a competition for the P2P market anymore, it was for like a week, not now. 

It's the problem if you try to persist in GW2. You have to credit card pay at some stage or other. NCsoft will break you at some point if you keep going. 

How do you figure that?

 

As has been stated many times, anything in the CS is achieveable without spending a single dime besides the original cost of the game.

You want me to pay to play a game I already paid for???

Be afraid.....The dragons are HERE!

  eyelolled

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11/02/12 11:26:18 AM#55
The only disappointment I have with this update is that I end up reading all the antagonists who are trying to drag down a game they don't play.  Seriously, focus on the games that you care about not the ones that you don't participate in.

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  Torvaldr

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11/02/12 11:59:47 AM#56

This sounds pretty cool.  I guess I better finish the last couple of levels to 80.  Work has been insane lately and no food, beer, or video games makes me something something something.

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  Calerxes

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11/02/12 2:08:15 PM#57
Originally posted by stevebmbsqd
Originally posted by Loke666

Maybe this finally will shut the people up who have been saying that B2P games cant add the same amount of free content as P2P games can.

This is at least as much as P2P games add.

This content was probably worked on well before release and just finished after release. It is also right after release so their coffers are full. I would still take the wait and see approach until six or eight months after launch.

 

I agree, its a bit early to be glib over the validity of the b2p model they still have to make money and Wintersday will probably have a load of lovely boxes to gamble away on and just like the Halloween event will make a nice few quid for Arenanet. Though now thinking about it this new content wasn't released before the CS gamble boxes were put in was it? so haven't you guys actually paid for the new content already, but not in an upfront way but in a backhanded lets make the drop rates extremely low so we catch the players out before they realise how much they've spent type of way? Arenanet what a nice company always looking out for their fans.

 

 

EDIT: And whats "medium small" is that like the way in McDonalds you cannot get small fries anymore only medium, large or supersize?

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  cgnius

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11/02/12 2:36:19 PM#58
looking forward to this. Hopefully they'll add some new activities
  techknowmama

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11/06/12 9:34:58 PM#59
Originally posted by Sidad
Boring. :( Give me server with open world pvp or let ppl turn on/off pvp option in open world or at least give me duels than we can talk about game getting interesting again for me.

This is not the game for you, you want open world pvp go play dark fall or planet side 2 when it comes out.

why is it they call pve'ers care bears, when its the pvp'ers that are the most vocal whiners :P

 

 

  techknowmama

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11/06/12 9:53:11 PM#60
Originally posted by evolver1972
Originally posted by Illyssia
Originally posted by hikaru77
Originally posted by mWo4life
And they do it without requring a sub-fee? If they keep delivering a new content regularly, I cannot see how other mmos can justify a $15 sub-fee anymore?

It looks like a B2P update for me.  Just a one time world event, a medium/small island and some other PvE stuff. Nothing new about PvP or real competitive PvP or WvWvW. And maybe you didnt notice it yet, but GW2 is not even a competition for the P2P market anymore, it was for like a week, not now. 

It's the problem if you try to persist in GW2. You have to credit card pay at some stage or other. NCsoft will break you at some point if you keep going. 

How do you figure that?

 

As has been stated many times, anything in the CS is achieveable without spending a single dime besides the original cost of the game.

 

I am not sure why people expect GW2 to be any different than GW1 was, the only thing you ever had to buy besides the game was expansions 

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