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News & Features Discussion  » [Review] World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria: Great Fun, But Flawed

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  Jaedor

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Joined: 8/17/09
Posts: 956

11/06/12 9:43:57 AM#21
I was surprised to see no mention of endgame and specifically, the dailies and rep grinds. As a longtime WoW player, the increase in grind has really turned me off and would have lowered the score if I'd been doing the review.
  User Deleted
11/06/12 9:45:03 AM#22

As far as the writer goes, yeah he's spot on.

Can't for the life of me see how re-enforcing the elitest jerks by putting in a challenge mode for dungeons makes the game any better. There was already this sense of crazed urgency just to finish a dungeon for gear. Not impressed at all.

 one of the big problems with WoW is separating the code for pvp and pve, i will never return to the nightmare that GC caused after WoTLK and CATA when after launch they had to 'rebalance' pvp and I spent weeks trying to respec, relearn my rotation for my pve hunter over and over again just after launch. Yea that's fun.

I know a guy who's sole fun in the game is leveling doing the questing the old fashioned way. He stopped raiding because it was the same old story. people not showing up on time or dropping, not knowing how to do a fixed rotation on their character's three buttons they simply must use on every boss fight, not getting the gear they need because frankly getting gear is like pulling teeth in this game, and that's the other thing, it's been how long now how many expansions and one still can't craft the gearsets needed instead of running 10 thousand times the same two dungeons to get something they need to drop?

At the end of this expansions life, we'll see the shift again, allowing players who don't spend their entire existance raiding right after launch actually get to see the content by releasing better rewards more easily obtained (even tho the drop rate algrithm from 1992 will be the same). Strange how they have to "help" players see content that should have never been cutoff, I mean surely your payment is enough to include the content without having to do something special and surely by now someone at Blizzard has learned that lore should never be so cutoff from the players, one would not have to adjust such things if the game was balanced properly.

I disagree with the writer's notion that Mist gives players a reason to explore the world all over again. There is no exploration in this game notably not rewarded exploration. Secondly. all they did was revamp some of the earlier questing like in Cata. That's not incentive that's just giving a cosmetic lift to something you've already seen countless times before while leveling in their old fashioned method. Quest hubs should have been replaced by now.

"While I find the community on WoW really has become Eliteist Jerks" Typical. So glad that's not the community I have to deal with any longer.

All in all I think this guy was a tad too generous with his score including value...

 

  Rimmersman

Advanced Member

Joined: 10/15/12
Posts: 911

11/06/12 9:49:34 AM#23
And no matter what WOW is still top dog lol.

  SlickShoes

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Joined: 3/01/06
Posts: 1040

11/06/12 9:50:01 AM#24
Originally posted by Zeppelin4

[The new dungeons, scenarios, challenge modes, and the Pet Battles definitely save Mists from getting a low score]

This is where you lost me. Pet Battles is one of your features that kept it from a low score? (Does Michael Vick play) sigh... This is a all time low for me. :(

Did you really just compare a Pokemon style side activity to rearing and fighting real life dogs?

Oh dear.

  halflife25

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/13/12
Posts: 787

11/06/12 9:50:54 AM#25
Originally posted by itgrowls

 

I disagree with the writer's notion that Mist gives players a reason to explore the world all over again. There is no exploration in this game notably not rewarded exploration. Secondly. all they did was revamp some of the earlier questing like in Cata. That's not incentive that's just giving a cosmetic lift to something you've already seen countless times before while leveling in their old fashioned method. Quest hubs should have been replaced by now.

 

I wil take a page out of your own GW2 fan book.

Exploration is about fun and not rewards or incentives.

So yeah there is exploration to do even if it doesnt give you a chest full of goodies every time you complete a zone. Remember it is not about rewards but fun. Right? or that is what i have been reading for almsot two months now. i don't know why sudden change of philosophy when it comes to WOW.

  strangiato2112

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Joined: 9/21/12
Posts: 1566

11/06/12 9:53:19 AM#26

8.1 is fair.  Its a very strong expansion.  The new talent system drops it from an 8.5 to an 8.1.


 


Storm Legion should get about an 8.5 (however it better not get anything above a 6 in innovation either, getting kill 20 quests from mobs instead of NPCS isnt innovation)


  SlickShoes

Novice Member

Joined: 3/01/06
Posts: 1040

11/06/12 9:53:42 AM#27
Originally posted by itgrowls

As far as the writer goes, yeah he's spot on.

Can't for the life of me see how re-enforcing the elitest jerks by putting in a challenge mode for dungeons makes the game any better. There was already this sense of crazed urgency just to finish a dungeon for gear. Not impressed at all.

 one of the big problems with WoW is separating the code for pvp and pve, i will never return to the nightmare that GC caused after WoTLK and CATA when after launch they had to 'rebalance' pvp and I spent weeks trying to respec, relearn my rotation for my pve hunter over and over again just after launch. Yea that's fun.

I know a guy who's sole fun in the game is leveling doing the questing the old fashioned way. He stopped raiding because it was the same old story. people not showing up on time or dropping, not knowing how to do a fixed rotation on their character's three buttons they simply must use on every boss fight, not getting the gear they need because frankly getting gear is like pulling teeth in this game, and that's the other thing, it's been how long now how many expansions and one still can't craft the gearsets needed instead of running 10 thousand times the same two dungeons to get something they need to drop?

At the end of this expansions life, we'll see the shift again, allowing players who don't spend their entire existance raiding right after launch actually get to see the content by releasing better rewards more easily obtained (even tho the drop rate algrithm from 1992 will be the same). Strange how they have to "help" players see content that should have never been cutoff, I mean surely your payment is enough to include the content without having to do something special and surely by now someone at Blizzard has learned that lore should never be so cutoff from the players, one would not have to adjust such things if the game was balanced properly.

I disagree with the writer's notion that Mist gives players a reason to explore the world all over again. There is no exploration in this game notably not rewarded exploration. Secondly. all they did was revamp some of the earlier questing like in Cata. That's not incentive that's just giving a cosmetic lift to something you've already seen countless times before while leveling in their old fashioned method. Quest hubs should have been replaced by now.

"While I find the community on WoW really has become Eliteist Jerks" Typical. So glad that's not the community I have to deal with any longer.

All in all I think this guy was a tad too generous with his score including value...

 

There is rewarded exploration, the lorewalkers faction encourages you to explore the new continent, uncover the map, find lore objects, read them and listen to the backstory behind the continent. There is even a standard/flying mount as a reward for reaching exalted.

  Mueslinator

Apprentice Member

Joined: 10/08/11
Posts: 78

11/06/12 9:59:47 AM#28

A thing I don't quite get is how Pet Battles count so strongly into the Gameplay score. It's an entirely optional part with no influence whatsoever to the core gameplay... I would at least like to know what the score without Pet Battles would have been.


 


Other than that, I feel I agree with the tone of the review, but not the score. It's still too high at 8.1 over-all. I can't shake the feeling that it's either rated favourably because it's Blizzard, or because mmorpg.com can't shake its adherence to the four point scale (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FourPointScale). Personally, I would have rated MoP at around 7.0.


  nationalcity

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Joined: 10/31/04
Posts: 339

11/06/12 10:01:47 AM#29
Originally posted by strangiato2112

8.1 is fair.  Its a very strong expansion.  The new talent system drops it from an 8.5 to an 8.1.


 


Storm Legion should get about an 8.5 (however it better not get anything above a 6 in innovation either, getting kill 20 quests from mobs instead of NPCS isnt innovation)

Oh just you wait innovation on that will be 8 or 9 you MARK MY WORDS.....

 

You can tell which games are favored on here and which are not.....

  Painlezz

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Joined: 5/30/11
Posts: 628

11/06/12 10:12:38 AM#30

Pulling numbers out of ass = quality review!


 


This site has always been the place to come for anti-wow.  Just have to realize that and do your best to ignore it.


  GwapoJosh

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Joined: 3/10/12
Posts: 1009

11/06/12 10:33:30 AM#31

Originally posted by Rimmersman

And no matter what WOW is still top dog lol.

 


It's top dog because parents use it to babysit their kids..


"You are all going to poop yourselves." BillMurphy

  halflife25

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/13/12
Posts: 787

11/06/12 10:35:50 AM#32
Originally posted by GwapoJosh

Originally posted by Rimmersman

And no matter what WOW is still top dog lol.


 

It's top dog because parents use it to babysit their kids..

Let the generalizations and 'wow is for kiddies' nonsense begin.

I was just wondering how no one posted it yet. Thanks for not dissapointing us.

  Omnifish

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Joined: 2/16/11
Posts: 615

I'll kick your a**e so hard, you could build a swimming pool in the footprint!

11/06/12 10:39:40 AM#33

Ever since TSW was given an 8 for longetivity becasue it has a, 'cash shop in place already' and GW2 was given a 10 for longevivity, (a game that's based around zerging events, pointless dungeons, and never ending WvWvW battles which gives nothing to aim for long term), and a social scroe of 8, (in a game were you don't need to interact with anyone through to 80 nor is there a need to), I haven't been able to take any reviews on here seriously.


This one just tops it off, it looks like the reviewer pretty much played some of the game and just looked at these forums for anything else they couldn't be bothered with, (clearly there seems to be no understanding of why the talent system changed yet again and whether those changes made it more interesting/fun then the previous system).


It might be best in the future if you publish what exactly your review standards are and how you judge every category objectively becasue it seems to change every review. 


 


This looks like a job for....The Riviera Kid!

  bcbully

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Joined: 3/03/12
Posts: 7312

11/06/12 10:44:42 AM#34
Originally posted by Omnifish

Ever since TSW was given an 8 for longetivity becasue it has a, 'cash shop in place already' and GW2 was given a 10 for longevivity, (a game that's based around zerging events, pointless dungeons, and never ending WvWvW battles which gives nothing to aim for long term), and a social scroe of 8, (in a game were you don't need to interact with anyone through to 80 nor is there a need to), I haven't been able to take any reviews on here seriously.


This one just tops it off, it looks like the reviewer pretty much played some of the game and just looked at these forums for anything else they couldn't be bothered with, (clearly there seems to be no understanding of why the talent system changed yet again and whether those changes made it more interesting/fun then the previous system).


It might be best in the future if you publish what exactly your review standards are and how you judge every category objectively becasue it seems to change every review. 


 

It ALOMST seems like there is a tiered scoring system.

 

If you buy package X you scores will be between A and B and included heavy forum moderation.

If you pay Y your scores will be between C an D with less moderation.

and so on. 

When I eat chocolate chip pie it just doesn't feel like chocolate chip cookies. The texture, the consistency, it's just not the same and this is disappointing.

  Rimmersman

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Joined: 10/15/12
Posts: 911

11/06/12 10:51:03 AM#35

Originally posted by GwapoJosh




Originally posted by Rimmersman



And no matter what WOW is still top dog lol.





 




It's top dog because parents use it to babysit their kids..





 


Ah, so you agree with me that WOW is top dog then, i rest my case.


  GwapoJosh

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Joined: 3/10/12
Posts: 1009

11/06/12 10:51:58 AM#36
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by GwapoJosh

Originally posted by Rimmersman

And no matter what WOW is still top dog lol.


 

It's top dog because parents use it to babysit their kids..

Let the generalizations and 'wow is for kiddies' nonsense begin.

I was just wondering how no one posted it yet. Thanks for not dissapointing us.

You are very welcome ;)  It's my seven year old son's game of choice as well as his classmates..  "So easy a caveman could do it."

"You are all going to poop yourselves." BillMurphy

  GwapoJosh

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11/06/12 10:54:06 AM#37
Originally posted by Rimmersman

Originally posted by GwapoJosh




Originally posted by Rimmersman



And no matter what WOW is still top dog lol.





 



It's top dog because parents use it to babysit their kids..





 

Ah, so you agree with me that WOW is top dog then, i rest my case.

That's actually a FACT.. Hard to disagree with that.

"You are all going to poop yourselves." BillMurphy

  nyxium

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Posts: 1202

Tumbling down the rabbit hole?

11/06/12 10:55:01 AM#38
I've been experiencing major lag during peak hours after CRZ was introduced. I played a while but I must admit not to liking Panda's. In fact I felt like I was playing a cartoon. The Panda's have become just another race to me, I still love Blood Elves but have ended my sub due to massive lag on EU realms. I have read others have experienced this problem, I am hoping it is because of CRZ and Blizzard scrap them then I may consider re-subbing as the lag will theoretically go. There are lots of other titles to consider now, WoW is by no means the monopoly it used to be.

  FrodoFragins

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Posts: 2775

11/06/12 11:02:30 AM#39

Originally posted by Ozmodan

First off in all the years of playing Warcraft and Wow, I never ever saw a panda, so it might have been in the lore, just not in the games.  Panda's was all about the chinese preferences and of course the popularity of kung-fu panda.  It was a real stretch if you ask me.


The changes in the talent system killed the game far as I am concerned.  Everyone is a cookie cutter build now.  Worst decision Blizzard ever made IMO.  It adds nothing to the game and takes away alot.  Anyone trying to argue there are more choices is wearing blinders.


They did a nice job on the expansion, but I would not rate it over 7.5, just really nothing new except for the monk class.



 


Did you not play Warcraft 3?  The brewmaster was a popular hero.


  eyelolled

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11/06/12 11:03:15 AM#40
What was the last number they gave the amount of players WoW Mists has? 2.7 million players or something like that?

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