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General Discussion  » EA COO claims it was the $15 that it was the problem.

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11/05/12 6:39:30 PM#121

This is what happens when  you get non-gamers to manage your titles. Some of these people don't even know the names of the products they oversee, they simply hop from one high-level position to another, applying generic business logic in each case.


I am honestly surprised the guy even knows the name of the game. Show me proof he even played it and I'll subsrcibe for a year...


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11/05/12 6:41:48 PM#122

if $15 a month was the cause of Swtor's failure then why are they limiting the free players? They can very much give the full game for free like GW2 after you buy the box.

the monthly fee contributed to the failure because the game as it is right now lacks the potential to have that monthly price of $15, but it was not the main cause of the problem. 

I do not support subscriptions but if developers make a big, original and innovative mmo that its really worth the subscription then that is fine with me. Swtor is not that game. Anything resembling WoW will not have my money if its not superior to WoW in every sense of the word. That sub based mmo has yet to come.

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11/05/12 7:02:20 PM#123
Originally posted by grimal

I was thinking about this last night.  If $15 were indeed the problem then why even bother with this F2P and P2P levels?  If the initial box price was the issue, I think the F2P hybrid model would be the appropriate solution, but since it is the other way around....why not allow those that purchased the game play for free?

Essentially, if people had a problem with the monthly fee then change it to B2P and offer expansions via DLC for purchase. 

That makes more sense to me.

You post makes exact sense to me.

I think the COO was right in his assessment (or the assessment handed to him) that $15 was a huge problem for a lot of people, but he doesn't get the solution.

The sub was the problem for me, but I would have paid $60 as B2P with or without a cash shop.  That goes for TSW and RIFT:Storm Legion too.

F2P can be okay too.  So far the B2P in GW1, GW2, and TL2 I like a lot more than Turbine, SoE, or Funcom.  The F2P in STO, Aion, RaiderZ, City of Steam, and hopefully Neverwinter are okay too.  If I'm having fun in a F2P with those models I'll drop $50 - $70 in game cash, services, etc.

People may or may not like GW2 as a game, but I think the sales model will have an influence.  Going out on a limb here I would say that future games like TOR or TSW will more likely adopt B2P.  If games like FFXIV, TESO, Blade and Soul, ArcheAge, and even RIFT plan on charging a sub then they'll need to deliver systems and not just churnable content.  P2P isn't dead, but paying monthly for churnable content is.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile


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11/05/12 10:56:05 PM#124
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Vyeth
Originally posted by DSWBeef
Originally posted by Lobotomist
Originally posted by RefMinor

EA Chief Operating Officer has claimed the fall of SWTOR was down to people not wanting to pay $15 a month for MMO's, funny, it seems to work for WoW and EvE amongst others. Maybe $15 is too much for this game.

Time of subscription is over. 15$ was aceptable for some time , but now with so many "pay what and when you want" alternatives - its simply out of touch.

WOW will drop subscription soon enough they see decline in subscribers

And EVE is PVP sandbox - they can not go for F2P model - else they ruin the balance.



I was saying the subscription will kill this game all along. Big mistake for EA not going F2P from the start.


Themepark + subscription = fail

No it isnt. The time of Generic Mmos offer subs needs to end. Say if TSW, Rift, SWTOR, were truly amazing, revolutionary, the next best thing. People would NOT hesitate to pay a sub at all. To say the sub is dead is ridiculous.

Problem with that is that it takes 10 million people to call something "revolutionary" or "the next best thing" for it to be taken as word.. Even if a game DOES come out that manages to do things differently, if all those 80 gazillion people that played WoW don't play the game it would simply be seen as a dud.. A failure..

Farmville made millions.. But try being the next company to attempt a browser based farming "simulator".. I can almost guarantee that you will not come even close to making as much as farmville..

The "breakthrough" age for mmo's has ended, and WoW was the pinncle..

You are looking at the effect before you look at the cause.  If a game has 10 million people playing it, then that is the effect of a good game.  You can insist that a certain game is good, but if people won't continue playing it, then there is a problem.


Low population games are more the result of games not worth playing, not the other way around.


If a techy game company game out with a new idea for farmville, the idea would hold, and people would play that game instead.  It can't be a clone though.  It has to be original, which is where many online games are failing at these days.



Well, just as the traditional rules for fads and pop culture go, things that are popular are not always "the best" or even "good" things.. But since it's all opinion based anyway, it would appear to the uninformed that "10 million people couldn't possibly be wrong could they?"

And where do we draw the lines on the "clone" conversation? From my understanding a "clone" would have exactly the same everything, even use the same art style or assets in creating the game world.. The mmo crowd sees a bar full of boxes at the bottom of their screens and scream CLONE!

I don't think all low population games are a result of being poor games, I think they are more an effect of simply being skipped over for the unfortunate situation of an oversaturated market..  Johnny wants to spend 60 bucks to buy a game, should he go for this game that everyone says is good or should he take his chances with a game no one talks about (even if HE feels it suits him better)?


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11/06/12 3:50:24 AM#125
    The only way I would even bother with this game is if they went to a B2P model like GW2..  OH.. and make sure to give me store credits for the 5 months of sub I paid after I purchased it.. lol  EVEN then I probably wouldn't play more then an hour or two a month.. lol

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11/06/12 2:46:11 PM#126

Why do they always take the F2P route due to lack of players. Why not simply halve the monthly cost from £9 to £4/5 and $15 to $7/8 a month instead.


The game is good to play for that ammount but in my opinion not at its current pricing. Older games should also take this route too that have fallen on hard times. Especially when they look extreamly dated and old, and also several years on i am sure new hardware could handly more playerbase per server so some can be merged.

If like me, F2P = much more of a cost under a hidden and misleading guise. Tend to stay away from them myself as i have been there before. My time in SW-ToR is comming to a close already.

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