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  Popori

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11/02/12 9:40:29 PM#101
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by asmkm22
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by asmkm22
 

Themepark MMORPG vs CoD:

  • Classes?  Check
  • Itemization?  Check
  • Stuctured PvP?  Check
  • Flimsy story full of cliche's?  Check
  • Basic gameplat elements involve targetting something and pushing a button?  Check

 

The main differences are how you target something, and the setting.  Yes, one of first person, and one is third person, but that doesn't actually change too much.

fixed for you

That was sort of my point, actually.  The main thing that separates an MMO is the PvE content.  The PvP stuff just boiles down to standard FPS paradigms, often times without shame (capture the flag!).  Since GW2 is primarily a PvP game...

considering it actually has a LOT more PVE content than PVP not sure how you could make that claim

I can't really think of a game that doesn't require 10x the PvE content of PvP to make it even worth including.  If we're talking the length of time it takes a player to feel they've 'seen it all,' I think it's pretty opinionated.  If we're talking the number of times we've captured a keep vs. killed 10 xxx for a reward, I still think its fairly even.

On story, admittedly, you win.

  Aerowyn

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11/02/12 9:41:50 PM#102
Originally posted by asmkm22
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by asmkm22
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by asmkm22
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by asmkm22
 

Themepark MMORPG vs CoD:

  • Classes?  Check
  • Itemization?  Check
  • Stuctured PvP?  Check
  • Flimsy story full of cliche's?  Check
  • Basic gameplat elements involve targetting something and pushing a button?  Check

 

The main differences are how you target something, and the setting.  Yes, one of first person, and one is third person, but that doesn't actually change too much.

fixed for you

That was sort of my point, actually.  The main thing that separates an MMO is the PvE content.  The PvP stuff just boiles down to standard FPS paradigms, often times without shame (capture the flag!).  Since GW2 is primarily a PvP game...

considering it actually has a LOT more PVE content than PVP not sure how you could make that claim

I found the PvE content to be boring, repetative, uninspiring, and simplistic.  While that could easily be said for many MMO's, most at least try wrap it all up in an engaging story or atmosphere.  With GW2, the few times something resembling a story cropped up, it was laughibly cliche with poor writing.  I never felt compelled to learn more about the world, and certainly never felt like any of the people in it meant anything to anyone.  Maybe my expectations are too high though.  The real world is certainly full of people who are entertained by the storylines found on jersey shore, or the kardashians.

so yet another person that completely dismisses content and pretends it doesn't exist because it doesn't appeal to them.. got it..

You can put a plate full of cockroaches in front of someone, but unless they like to eat cockroaches, it's not a meal.

difference is a LOT of people really enjoy the PVE side on GW2.. i doubt many enjoy eating roaches

and creslin LOL:P

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  Icewhite

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Posts: 6495

Pink, it's like red but not quite.

11/02/12 9:43:19 PM#103

Rather than continuing the same tired themes recycling as the last three months plus...

Let's talk about baseball.

(Apparently Creslin's discovered a new 4-chan stash of meme photos)?

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  Popori

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Posts: 333

11/02/12 9:44:31 PM#104
Originally posted by Icewhite

Rather than continuing the same tired themes recycling as the last three months plus...

Let's talk about baseball.

Okay!

Baseball is like PvE in GW2, something to do when I'm trying to get to sleep.

Edit: Starting to see why Creslin posts so much, this is kinda fun.

  Icewhite

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Pink, it's like red but not quite.

11/02/12 9:47:49 PM#105

Unfortunately, the wrong time of year for it.

I'd talk about the lovlies in the vicky's secret commercial that was just on, but that would be sexist and objectifying.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  User Deleted
11/02/12 9:48:12 PM#106
Originally posted by Aerowyn

difference is a LOT of people really enjoy the PVE side on GW2.. i doubt many enjoy eating roaches

and creslin LOL:P

And that's great that some people enjoy it.  But you seem to think that anyone who doesn't enjoy it is somehow misguided or just doesn't "get it" or whatever.  They may not share your opinion, but that doesn't invalidate their opinion.  And, like it or not, the game is getting a reputation for being a bit on the shallow side.  I stopped counting the times I would see a post or comment about how the game is fun, but not worth a sub.  Most of the people "bashing" GW2 aren't saying it's a horrendeous trainwreck.  Just that it's not really a great MMO.  It's just a game that's fun for a bit, but that fun wears thin quickly for a lot of people.

Feel free to keep dismissing all of the complaints though, becuase they obviously just don't get the game.

  Icewhite

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Pink, it's like red but not quite.

11/02/12 9:50:04 PM#107
Hm, let's see what's new today on youtube...

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  Pivotelite

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Joined: 1/19/12
Posts: 2189

11/02/12 9:50:09 PM#108
Originally posted by stayontarget
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by stayontarget

People (at least on this site) remember all the trolling that was going on from gw2 fan's so I would expect their is a little bit of payback going on.  Also the hype for gw2 was way to high (remember gw2 can cure cancer folks) and when it did not live up to all the players expectations there is going to be some blowback.

 

good old retalliation then.. classy..... almost all those absurd claims(cancer, savior, ect) were made by people bashing the game or ones making fun of people bashing the game.. you can go back and look if you wish

Mmm funny I could have sworn i saw you a few times in the Tera forum section a few months back.

 Oh the poor TERA and SWTOR forums, how they got anally raped by GW2 fans on a daily basis for months. Now look, 400 hours played in GW2 later and i`m done and just recently went back to TERA.

 

So much for that game being my savior, although I know GW2 got the last laugh because I knew at least 25 people who left TERA for GW2, 3 came back to TERA, 4 are still in Guild Wars and the rest dissapeared after less than a month in GW2 and never came back to TERA.

 

GW2 you took my TERA friends and then made them dissapear, curse your existence!

  Popori

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Posts: 333

11/02/12 9:51:44 PM#109
Originally posted by Icewhite
Hm, let's see what's new today on youtube...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp_PIjc2ga4

always relevant

  Aerowyn

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Joined: 2/20/12
Posts: 7969

11/02/12 9:53:47 PM#110
Originally posted by asmkm22
Originally posted by Aerowyn

difference is a LOT of people really enjoy the PVE side on GW2.. i doubt many enjoy eating roaches

and creslin LOL:P

And that's great that some people enjoy it.  But you seem to think that anyone who doesn't enjoy it is somehow misguided or just doesn't "get it" or whatever.  They may not share your opinion, but that doesn't invalidate their opinion.  And, like it or not, the game is getting a reputation for being a bit on the shallow side.  I stopped counting the times I would see a post or comment about how the game is fun, but not worth a sub.  Most of the people "bashing" GW2 aren't saying it's a horrendeous trainwreck.  Just that it's not really a great MMO.  It's just a game that's fun for a bit, but that fun wears thin quickly for a lot of people.

Feel free to keep dismissing all of the complaints though, becuase they obviously just don't get the game.

actually i see that on almost a daily basis :)

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  Bad.dog

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11/02/12 9:54:22 PM#111
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by grimal
It's called hype backlash.  The bigger the hype, the harder the fall.

after 3 BWEs and hundreds of youtube videos what all was really hidden as far as core gameplay? what the game was all about was known for quite sometime.. no raids no stat progressive gear grind.. all that was known for a very long time.. if that's what upset people that's really their own fault..

Sometimes these games dont play out the way some think they will.  That's why it's a good idea to not over-hype yourself on a game after only playing a few weekends. 

Edit:  You are taking this all rather personally, Aerowyn.  Do you have some sort of investment in this game?

Isn't this a rather odd question from someone who has made 300+ negative posts ?...I think perhaps your motives should be the topic in question here

 

  stevebmbsqd

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"Evolution thru Revolution"

11/02/12 9:55:11 PM#112
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by grimal
It's called hype backlash.  The bigger the hype, the harder the fall.

after 3 BWEs and hundreds of youtube videos what all was really hidden as far as core gameplay? what the game was all about was known for quite sometime.. no raids no stat progressive gear grind.. all that was known for a very long time.. if that's what upset people that's really their own fault..

Sometimes these games dont play out the way some think they will.  That's why it's a good idea to not over-hype yourself on a game after only playing a few weekends. 

Edit:  You are taking this all rather personally, Aerowyn.  Do you have some sort of investment in this game?

how am I taking it personally? just curious how after all that was known about the game could people feel "cheated"

Just your comments as of late ring of some emotional turmoil.  Also, the sarcasm is more prevalent in your posting.

ahh lol just tired of the same arguments over and over and over.. hence the sarcasm

If a ton of people say something....there must be some truth to it.....

  Icewhite

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11/02/12 9:55:25 PM#113
Originally posted by Popori
Originally posted by Icewhite
Hm, let's see what's new today on youtube...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp_PIjc2ga4

always relevant

Good, because I'm starting to run short on derails.

 

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  Aerowyn

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Posts: 7969

11/02/12 9:56:31 PM#114
Originally posted by stevebmbsqd
 

If a ton of people say something....there must be some truth to it.....

yup just like wow is the worst mmo ever made.. see that thrown around here all the time.. MUST be true though

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  Bad.dog

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11/02/12 9:57:01 PM#115
Originally posted by Pivotelite
Originally posted by stayontarget
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by stayontarget

People (at least on this site) remember all the trolling that was going on from gw2 fan's so I would expect their is a little bit of payback going on.  Also the hype for gw2 was way to high (remember gw2 can cure cancer folks) and when it did not live up to all the players expectations there is going to be some blowback.

 

good old retalliation then.. classy..... almost all those absurd claims(cancer, savior, ect) were made by people bashing the game or ones making fun of people bashing the game.. you can go back and look if you wish

Mmm funny I could have sworn i saw you a few times in the Tera forum section a few months back.

 Oh the poor TERA and SWTOR forums, how they got anally raped by GW2 fans on a daily basis for months. Now look, 400 hours played in GW2 later and i`m done and just recently went back to TERA.

 

So much for that game being my savior, although I know GW2 got the last laugh because I knew at least 25 people who left TERA for GW2, 3 came back to TERA, 4 are still in Guild Wars and the rest dissapeared after less than a month in GW2 and never came back to TERA.

 

GW2 you took my TERA friends and then made them dissapear, curse your existence!

Perhaps if it wasn't true it would be funny...

  Popori

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11/02/12 9:57:29 PM#116
Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by Popori
Originally posted by Icewhite
Hm, let's see what's new today on youtube...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp_PIjc2ga4

always relevant

Good, because I'm starting to run short on derails.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DaLN0AH32s

We're just getting started here.

  stevebmbsqd

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Posts: 457

"Evolution thru Revolution"

11/02/12 9:59:38 PM#117
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by stevebmbsqd
 

If a ton of people say something....there must be some truth to it.....

yup just like wow is the worst mmo ever made.. see that thrown around here all the time.. MUST be true though

I suppose to a lot of people it must be.....  I wonder how many tens of millions have unsubscribed over the years??????

  User Deleted
11/02/12 10:02:00 PM#118
Originally posted by stevebmbsqd
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by stevebmbsqd
 

If a ton of people say something....there must be some truth to it.....

yup just like wow is the worst mmo ever made.. see that thrown around here all the time.. MUST be true though

I suppose to a lot of people it must be.....  I wonder how many tens of millions have unsubscribed over the years??????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvIM8RUPCYE

  Aerowyn

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11/02/12 10:02:56 PM#119
Originally posted by stevebmbsqd
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by stevebmbsqd
 

If a ton of people say something....there must be some truth to it.....

yup just like wow is the worst mmo ever made.. see that thrown around here all the time.. MUST be true though

I suppose to a lot of people it must be.....  I wonder how many tens of millions have unsubscribed over the years??????

sure TONS have doesn't stop it from being one of the most popular MMOs ever even after all those years.. point is take anything anyone says here with a grain of salt.. but figured that was a given...

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  Aerowyn

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11/02/12 10:04:55 PM#120
Originally posted by sammyeli
Originally posted by stevebmbsqd
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by stevebmbsqd
 

If a ton of people say something....there must be some truth to it.....

yup just like wow is the worst mmo ever made.. see that thrown around here all the time.. MUST be true though

I suppose to a lot of people it must be.....  I wonder how many tens of millions have unsubscribed over the years??????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvIM8RUPCYE

LOL i forgot about that one! :)

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

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