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  Four0Six

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Joined: 12/18/11
Posts: 1094

11/02/12 8:55:06 AM#21
Originally posted by ImperialSun
Originally posted by biggarfoot
Originally posted by hikaru77
Originally posted by LifeEnder
I give it to feb or march and this game will be shut down , as it should be.

Just no. Like any other Freemiun MMO before, it will have more players, more subs and more money.And 2 bars is more than enough, and still u can bind a key to change bars, is not a big deal. 

I love Fanbois, they are blind with stupidity.

Being blind by your own ignorance is a two way street isnt it?

Almost all examples of a game making a transition to a Freemium / F2PHybrid model have resulted in success stories for the games concerned. LOTRO being possibly the best example.

Of course you will dismiss this as a possibility on this occasion simply because the game concerned is SWTOR...

Love how you ignore the sheer weight of fact and evidence because it does not support youe hater point of view :)

Sounds a bit like you are blind with stupidity, no?

Driz

 First the comment is "any other freemium", then it gets changed to "almost"............

Three Words: CITY OF HEROS

One question: DO you think there will be a big player protest when it does get shut down? As in Atlas Park, Paragon CIty.

  jinxit

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11/02/12 8:55:27 AM#22

All P2P games that make the transition  to F2P have a nickel and dime mentallity. They will eventually relax on the F2P model as the game becomes more successful. As an example just look at how bad the F2P option on Champions online was when it just transitioned and look at it now.

 

  Ahnog

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11/02/12 8:57:50 AM#23
What do you guys think? Should a company make money or not?

Ahnog

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  Nacario

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The real world is roleplay and background noise

11/02/12 9:02:12 AM#24
I doubt itll ever be shut down the next few years, simply because this is the most expensive video game evar, itll be money thrown out of the window. What I am curious to see though is how expansions will turn out, because this game was expensive simply because of having to hire actors for VO. Wouldnt it be fun if it went 'wow-style' questing.
  Yakamomoto

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Posts: 385

11/02/12 9:07:24 AM#25
Originally posted by Ahnog
What do you guys think? Should a company make money or not?

Seems like in the eyes of most teenagers today, everything should be free to them or part of some social welfare program.

  Manestream

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Joined: 1/10/03
Posts: 562

11/02/12 9:13:43 AM#26

Well, sadly i still play this game (though not as often thesedays) but i did seem to think they had taken the goign F2P model to pull in players. Sadly all they have done is alienate the current subscribers and scare many F2P players away.

I myself also think that if this carries on the game would have no more than a 6mth lifespan, especially when they keep releasing botched patch's (some issue's with 1.3, alot of issue's with 1.4 thus far) which is 1 reason why i dont play the game as much anymore. Just letting my current subscription run down (whether i play the game or not) but would i pay to play this anymore, probably not. Think i will return back to warcraft (once i have had a bit longer of a timeout from it) almost 5mths and so far dont feel the need to go back to that one yet, unfortunatly nothing else out there. Sad fact is a common web browser game is giving more enjoyment that SW-ToR is :(

  thecapitaine

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11/02/12 9:22:52 AM#27

You can't even fit all your abilities on two skillbars at 50 in SWTOR.  Maybe not being able to easily use all the skills that you're given is a QOL issue but this is by far the most nonsensical restriction I've ever heard of in a F2P model.  If the game already underperformed, wouldn't it be better to make it more palatable to players new and old?  Is there really someone in accounting convinced that giving people an unlimited # of hotbars is going to cut too deeply into their profits?  I supported the game for several months with my sub and I've no problem with companies making money.  Ultimately, however, the people designing these F2P models have to understand their playerbase better. 

 

There's a reason why most of SOE's models get panned while LOTRO and DDO's were once seen as some of the best.  If you give the impression that you're for wringing every last dime out of your prospective customers they'll steer clear.  It's not as if there aren't other MMOs to play.

  Wizardry

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Joined: 8/27/04
Posts: 6674

Perhaps tomorrow will be better.

11/02/12 9:38:10 AM#28
Originally posted by MeGaTronPower
You have to pay for more skillbars lol this is the only f2p game that nickel and dime you on everything even skillbars

Yes that  sounds utterly ridiculous,but in reality,do you need more than one skillbar?I never went much past level 22 on any player,but i found the combat to be so weak that just a few options is all i was using.In otherwords i didn't even need one full hotbar let alone more than one.

Seriously i don't think ANYONE shoudl be complaining about ANY cash shop model because you SHOULD be playing the game because you like it ,NOT because you hope for some free gaming.This si why cash shops are ridiculous,if i want to play your game,i would pay for it,if not NOTHING else you do will get me to play it.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Napolianboo#p/u/15/rCYLLQCNc1w
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  ImperialSun

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11/02/12 9:43:58 AM#29
Originally posted by Manestream

Well, sadly i still play this game (though not as often thesedays) but i did seem to think they had taken the goign F2P model to pull in players. Sadly all they have done is alienate the current subscribers and scare many F2P players away.

I myself also think that if this carries on the game would have no more than a 6mth lifespan, especially when they keep releasing botched patch's (some issue's with 1.3, alot of issue's with 1.4 thus far) which is 1 reason why i dont play the game as much anymore. Just letting my current subscription run down (whether i play the game or not) but would i pay to play this anymore, probably not. Think i will return back to warcraft (once i have had a bit longer of a timeout from it) almost 5mths and so far dont feel the need to go back to that one yet, unfortunatly nothing else out there. Sad fact is a common web browser game is giving more enjoyment that SW-ToR is :(

How have they alienated the current subscribers?

 

Firstly, most of the feedback I have read (especially since BW changed the number of free skill bars at community request) has been very positive, considering arguably nobody wanted this model forced on us back when we purchased the game.

Secondly, nothing will change for paying subs so I'm not sure they have been alienated?

Care to share?

Driz

  arctarus

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Joined: 9/26/06
Posts: 2582

11/02/12 9:44:25 AM#30
Originally posted by ImperialSun
Originally posted by biggarfoot
Originally posted by hikaru77
Originally posted by LifeEnder
I give it to feb or march and this game will be shut down , as it should be.

Just no. Like any other Freemiun MMO before, it will have more players, more subs and more money.And 2 bars is more than enough, and still u can bind a key to change bars, is not a big deal. 

I love Fanbois, they are blind with stupidity.

Being blind by your own ignorance is a two way street isnt it?

Almost all examples of a game making a transition to a Freemium / F2PHybrid model have resulted in success stories for the games concerned. LOTRO being possibly the best example.

 

 

Guess you hvnt heard:

http://www.boston.com/business/innovation/2012/10/25/needham-game-maker-turbine-lays-off-workers/XiH2pLrqfN1GDZlNlcbT9H/story.html

 

Turbine lay off more people....

 

RIP Orc Choppa

  erictlewis

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Joined: 11/08/08
Posts: 3058

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results.

11/02/12 9:45:35 AM#31
Originally posted by sirphobos
Originally posted by LifeEnder
I give it to feb or march and this game will be shut down , as it should be.

Yeah I'm sure it is close to shutting down, nevermind the fact that basically every subscriber based game that isn't World of Warcraft would love to have as many subscribers as this game has even after so many people have left.

Rofl, have you looked at torstatus.net,  they contiue to show sub bleed off every day, not to mention having to had 2 rounds of sever mergers and this game has not even been out for a year.  Now it has to go free to play to survive.  Yep.

 

  ImperialSun

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Joined: 9/05/12
Posts: 231

11/02/12 9:48:00 AM#32
Originally posted by Yakamomoto
Originally posted by Ahnog
What do you guys think? Should a company make money or not?

Seems like in the eyes of most teenagers today, everything should be free to them or part of some social welfare program.

lol...self entitlement, welfare mindset, reward me for participating instead of achieving...

Sad but true :(

Driz

  superniceguy

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Joined: 2/17/07
Posts: 2277

NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

11/02/12 9:49:22 AM#33
Originally posted by Wizardry
Originally posted by MeGaTronPower
You have to pay for more skillbars lol this is the only f2p game that nickel and dime you on everything even skillbars

Yes that  sounds utterly ridiculous,but in reality,do you need more than one skillbar?I never went much past level 22 on any player,but i found the combat to be so weak that just a few options is all i was using.In otherwords i didn't even need one full hotbar let alone more than one.

Seriously i don't think ANYONE shoudl be complaining about ANY cash shop model because you SHOULD be playing the game because you like it ,NOT because you hope for some free gaming.This si why cash shops are ridiculous,if i want to play your game,i would pay for it,if not NOTHING else you do will get me to play it.

There are other F2P games that do not have these restrictions, and SWTORs design should not too, as it more a single player game with multiplayer option than a MMO. It is like paying a monthly fee to Red Dead Redemption or Mass Effect 3

The devs are not even enhancing / expanding the game, they just add more stuff of what is already in game, more flashpoints, more operations, more warzones, which is like DLC for games like Red Dead Redemption, which you get to choose to buy. They are no expanding it by adding in a Beast Master profession, instanced housing, multiplayer space etc

SWTOR is simply not worth the constant $$$ to play it.

  TeknoBug

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Joined: 10/13/07
Posts: 2166

11/02/12 9:55:31 AM#34


Originally posted by hikaru77

Originally posted by LifeEnder I give it to feb or march and this game will be shut down , as it should be.
Just no. Like any other Freemiun MMO before, it will have more players, more subs and more money.And 2 bars is more than enough, and still u can bind a key to change bars, is not a big deal. 

LOL what? All the games that went F2P had LESS players, City of Heroes didn't gain anymore players, STO didn't, Aion didn't, pretty sure AoC and Vanguard didn't either. And 2 rows isn't enough, at 50 give it a try, disable your 2 bars in the UI editor and see.


Don't listen to those analysis bloggers that predict SWTOR will have 50 million players.


  Sevenstar61

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Posts: 1574

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11/02/12 9:59:23 AM#35
Originally posted by TeknoBug

 


Originally posted by hikaru77

Originally posted by LifeEnder I give it to feb or march and this game will be shut down , as it should be.
Just no. Like any other Freemiun MMO before, it will have more players, more subs and more money.And 2 bars is more than enough, and still u can bind a key to change bars, is not a big deal. 

LOL what? All the games that went F2P had LESS players, City of Heroes didn't gain anymore players, STO didn't, Aion didn't, pretty sure AoC and Vanguard didn't either. And 2 rows isn't enough, at 50 give it a try, disable your 2 bars in the UI editor and see.

 


Don't listen to those analysis bloggers that predict SWTOR will have 50 million players.

Don't tell me that you cannot play a game with just 2  rows of spells and go through all content that way. You just pick and choose what you want to use. You do not have to use all abilities you get.


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  TeknoBug

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Posts: 2166

11/02/12 10:03:28 AM#36


Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Originally posted by TeknoBug  

Originally posted by hikaru77

Originally posted by LifeEnder I give it to feb or march and this game will be shut down , as it should be.
Just no. Like any other Freemiun MMO before, it will have more players, more subs and more money.And 2 bars is more than enough, and still u can bind a key to change bars, is not a big deal. 
LOL what? All the games that went F2P had LESS players, City of Heroes didn't gain anymore players, STO didn't, Aion didn't, pretty sure AoC and Vanguard didn't either. And 2 rows isn't enough, at 50 give it a try, disable your 2 bars in the UI editor and see.   Don't listen to those analysis bloggers that predict SWTOR will have 50 million players.
Don't tell me that you cannot play a game with just 2  rows of spells and go through all content that way. You just pick and choose what you want to use. You do not have to use all abilities you get.

Oh yes I do (or did when I played), 4 rows were all full of abilities and I keybinded everyone of them.

Here's an example of one that I could find, a few missing slots (consumables):


  Sevenstar61

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11/02/12 10:08:25 AM#37
Originally posted by TeknoBug

 


Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Originally posted by TeknoBug  

Originally posted by hikaru77

Originally posted by LifeEnder I give it to feb or march and this game will be shut down , as it should be.
Just no. Like any other Freemiun MMO before, it will have more players, more subs and more money.And 2 bars is more than enough, and still u can bind a key to change bars, is not a big deal. 
LOL what? All the games that went F2P had LESS players, City of Heroes didn't gain anymore players, STO didn't, Aion didn't, pretty sure AoC and Vanguard didn't either. And 2 rows isn't enough, at 50 give it a try, disable your 2 bars in the UI editor and see.   Don't listen to those analysis bloggers that predict SWTOR will have 50 million players.
Don't tell me that you cannot play a game with just 2  rows of spells and go through all content that way. You just pick and choose what you want to use. You do not have to use all abilities you get.

Oh yes I do (or did when I played), 4 rows were all full of abilities and I keybinded everyone of them.

 

That's optimum available for subscribers. But what I said is that it is completely possible to play just with 2 bars. You just have to pick wisely what you want to use. So if F2P player does not want to spend cash for additional bars they really don't have to.


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  Yamota

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11/02/12 10:53:15 AM#38
haha so now the UI is monetized? Cant believe there are still people who think F2P is a good thing for the genre.

  BrotherD

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11/02/12 10:58:09 AM#39
Yup. The dumbest f2p model ever. No reason to return.

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  Yamota

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"I fight so you don't have to."

11/02/12 11:00:32 AM#40
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by TeknoBug

 


Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Originally posted by TeknoBug  

Originally posted by hikaru77

Originally posted by LifeEnder I give it to feb or march and this game will be shut down , as it should be.
Just no. Like any other Freemiun MMO before, it will have more players, more subs and more money.And 2 bars is more than enough, and still u can bind a key to change bars, is not a big deal. 
LOL what? All the games that went F2P had LESS players, City of Heroes didn't gain anymore players, STO didn't, Aion didn't, pretty sure AoC and Vanguard didn't either. And 2 rows isn't enough, at 50 give it a try, disable your 2 bars in the UI editor and see.   Don't listen to those analysis bloggers that predict SWTOR will have 50 million players.
Don't tell me that you cannot play a game with just 2  rows of spells and go through all content that way. You just pick and choose what you want to use. You do not have to use all abilities you get.

Oh yes I do (or did when I played), 4 rows were all full of abilities and I keybinded everyone of them.

 

That's optimum available for subscribers. But what I said is that it is completely possible to play just with 2 bars. You just have to pick wisely what you want to use. So if F2P player does not want to spend cash for additional bars they really don't have to.

You dont have to play the game, or any game, for that matter. That is not an argument for how incredibly greedy and stupid this is.

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