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General Gaming »  PC Gaming  » UBISOFT: 93-95% PC piracy rate means F2P is just as effective

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  fs23otm

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Posts: 121

11/02/12 5:40:39 AM#41
Originally posted by Caldrin
Originally posted by fs23otm

What everyone is forgetting is UBISOFT is a multi platform company.

Gamestop selling used games is a form of piracy. None of the money gamestop makes on those used games goes back to any company besides gamestop.

 

that is not piracy UBI have already made money from sellnig that game..

 

Thats like saying game or movie rental is piracy.

No companies who RENT games and MOVIEs pay a fee to get those games and movie in for rental.

Gamestop is commiting legal piracy. That is the reason EA started requiring you to use the game codes to play online.

  Harafnir

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Joined: 2/18/04
Posts: 1315

11/02/12 5:47:26 AM#42
Computer games make more money than movies music and books combined... And that on only a 5% buy rate? Ooook. yeah. Those numbers have never been true, any year since the first computer games in the late 70s. It is pure spindoctoring to support a flawed statement. The piracy rate has never been smaller than it is today, mostly due to access to internet and the sophistication of the games making them harder and harder to hack. No, not because the "protection" is so advanced, it never is, but the because the game gets unstable when tampered with.  But then, UBISoft is known to have the worst DRMs in history making it almost impossible to even play the game when you have bought it (several times unable to even contact the internet so their little "safety" can tell their servers its a real storebought game) and your ability to play a UBISoft game is more up to luck than your morals... I guess they have to lie to protect their insanely bad decisions.

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  tom_gore

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11/02/12 5:47:27 AM#43

We only need to take Skyrim as an example - a game that can be pirated easily as it's a single-player game.

This game sold about 1.4 million physical copies on PC. If we argue that ~50% of the sales on PC are digital, it means the total sales is somewhere around 2.8 million. If only 7% of the players bought it, it means Skyrim was downloaded over 40 million times.

Means there are a lot of PC gamers out there, or that UBISOFT is again pulling numbers out of their arse.

I would guess the latter.

  morbuskabis

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Joined: 10/25/05
Posts: 205

11/02/12 6:53:41 AM#44

This BS from Ubisoft seems to me like a other try to get somthing like SOPA, ACTA or PPT into the heads of the public to get some more $.

This might be intresting to you. This guy talks about piracy and how loads of companys actually supported those bittorrent and stuff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwC5bGGGCRU

  Ex0dUs101

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Joined: 12/17/06
Posts: 264

11/02/12 6:57:20 AM#45

Ubisoft lost all credibility in the PC market a long long time ago. Theyve done nothing but spout garbage for many years now, consistently ignored the market and what users want, then tried to blame it all on everyone else's actions. This article is just another example of how ignorant they are.

Ubisoft and EA are the two main companies I will never buy from ever again, and its been that way for a long time now, with no one to blame but themselves.

  bcbully

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Joined: 3/03/12
Posts: 4234

11/02/12 7:00:07 AM#46
This only 5-7% can't be true can it? If it is could someone pm me the free game link you 95%ers have?

DamonVile- Games built for disposable players are now apparently built by disposable employees.

  zymurgeist

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Joined: 12/24/04
Posts: 4901

11/02/12 7:18:30 AM#47
Originally posted by fs23otm
Originally posted by Caldrin
Originally posted by fs23otm

What everyone is forgetting is UBISOFT is a multi platform company.

Gamestop selling used games is a form of piracy. None of the money gamestop makes on those used games goes back to any company besides gamestop.

 

that is not piracy UBI have already made money from sellnig that game..

 

Thats like saying game or movie rental is piracy.

No companies who RENT games and MOVIEs pay a fee to get those games and movie in for rental.

Gamestop is commiting legal piracy. That is the reason EA started requiring you to use the game codes to play online.

 So used book stores are piracy? Used book stores have been around and legal almost as long as books. Your premise fails. EA  using game codes wasn't to prevent sales of used games.  It was a piracy prevention measure.

"Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice." ~Greys Law

  jpnz

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Joined: 6/29/06
Posts: 3004

11/02/12 8:05:43 AM#48

The 93-95% is factually false.

If we look at the sale of games on Steam / Origin / DD / GMG etc, it doesn't add up.

Course that doesn't stop from exec at Ubisoft saying stupid things though.

Wonder why there seems to be more haters on the internet?

Read this by an actual marketing guy to find out why.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/first-personmarketer/8081-Trolls-Haters-and-Flame-War-Generals-Thank-You

  Nadia

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Joined: 7/26/03
Posts: 8267

11/02/12 8:26:20 AM#49

not sure why this thread got necroed 2 months later but it was aleady debunked

 

Originally posted by MadnessRealm
Originally posted by Reizla

Article here: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-08-22-guillemot-as-many-pc-players-pay-for-f2p-as-boxed-product

Don't believe those numbers, they were pulled out of his own delusioned ass.

http://www.giantbomb.com/news/ubisoft-ditching-its-intrusive-drm-for-pc-games/4350/

When pressed Ubisoft for more details about Guillemot’s statistics, I didn’t get much in response.

“That was an internal estimate for a few of Ubisoft’s popular PC titles like Assassin’s Creed and Driver, based on our own measurements,” the company told me a few weeks back. “It’s similar to broader external estimates from groups like the UKIE [Association for UK Interactive Entertainment], and to some recent examples of popular PC games from other companies.”

 

  Yamota

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Joined: 10/05/03
Posts: 6224

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11/02/12 8:28:55 AM#50
I am confused, how can you have piracy in an MMORPG where you need to register and log in online?

  Yamota

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Joined: 10/05/03
Posts: 6224

There's a beast within every man that stirs when you put a sword in his hand

11/02/12 8:31:12 AM#51
Originally posted by zymurgeist
Originally posted by fs23otm
Originally posted by Caldrin
Originally posted by fs23otm

What everyone is forgetting is UBISOFT is a multi platform company.

Gamestop selling used games is a form of piracy. None of the money gamestop makes on those used games goes back to any company besides gamestop.

 

that is not piracy UBI have already made money from sellnig that game..

 

Thats like saying game or movie rental is piracy.

No companies who RENT games and MOVIEs pay a fee to get those games and movie in for rental.

Gamestop is commiting legal piracy. That is the reason EA started requiring you to use the game codes to play online.

 So used book stores are piracy? Used book stores have been around and legal almost as long as books. Your premise fails. EA  using game codes wasn't to prevent sales of used games.  It was a piracy prevention measure.

It was used for both, Obviously if two persons buy a copy rather than one person buys it and then sells it to another will mean less money for EA and EA is all about getting more money. Be it by reducing piracy or second hand selling of games.

And selling used books, movies and games is NOT piracy. Tons of stores do it and I havent ever heard them being accused for piracy for doing it.

  QSatu

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Joined: 10/14/06
Posts: 1719

11/03/12 9:56:41 AM#52
Originally posted by Toxia

I think the biggest question is- Exactly how the hell do they know how many people pirate something?

It's not like they pirate it off THEIR servers or anything.

So what...they go to torrents and count the people? Doubtfull.

this is exactly what they do. They make up those numbers to show that dRM is good, now that f2p is awesome etc. they create facts for their own agendas.

  fivoroth

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Joined: 11/10/06
Posts: 2129

11/03/12 2:34:06 PM#53
Originally posted by Harafnir
Computer games make more money than movies music and books combined... And that on only a 5% buy rate? Ooook. yeah. Those numbers have never been true, any year since the first computer games in the late 70s. It is pure spindoctoring to support a flawed statement. The piracy rate has never been smaller than it is today, mostly due to access to internet and the sophistication of the games making them harder and harder to hack. No, not because the "protection" is so advanced, it never is, but the because the game gets unstable when tampered with.  But then, UBISoft is known to have the worst DRMs in history making it almost impossible to even play the game when you have bought it (several times unable to even contact the internet so their little "safety" can tell their servers its a real storebought game) and your ability to play a UBISoft game is more up to luck than your morals... I guess they have to lie to protect their insanely bad decisions.

Wrong! It is not PC games that make so much money. The console market is much much bigger. Like someone on this thread said Skyrim sold around 1-2m copies on the PC.... The number for Xbox alone were like 3-4 times higher. Ubisoft are only talking about the PC platform. Their games sell like crazy on the consoles.

Console piracy while possible is much much more difficult to do and is rare. I heard it is not reliable as you have to continuously crack your console. Also any warranties become void. 

But yes, Ubisoft numbers are BS. There is no way 95% of people pirate games. Even if that was the case they have no way of knowing.

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