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  Azoth

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11/01/12 10:33:30 AM#21

Couple people in this thread said that F2P wasn't P2W in many games.

I am curious, in which free game is the cash shop not P2W ?

 

  TeknoBug

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11/01/12 11:00:35 AM#22

City of Heroes, Champions Online, Guild Wars 1 & 2, Aion, Age of Conan if I remember, etc.


STO, DCUO, EQ2, LoTR, NFS:World, etc. are P2W.


  TeknoBug

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11/01/12 11:17:34 AM#23


Originally posted by m0lly
free to play is today and future wake up old sub plan is last season, play to free with cash shop wihout too much of advantage items on sale gives more money than base sub, some people may spend triple more a month than just sub as buying stuff.

Sub model isn't dead, if it was then WoW would've gone F2P. As long as the game is quality and is P2P then people will pay.


It is true though, people spend tons of money on F2P games, there's people in GW2 that spent $300 or more just to open Black Lion chests (/facepalm).


  eyelolled

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11/01/12 12:04:19 PM#24
Originally posted by TeknoBug

 


Originally posted by m0lly
free to play is today and future wake up old sub plan is last season, play to free with cash shop wihout too much of advantage items on sale gives more money than base sub, some people may spend triple more a month than just sub as buying stuff.


Sub model isn't dead, if it was then WoW would've gone F2P. As long as the game is quality and is P2P then people will pay.

 


It is true though, people spend tons of money on F2P games, there's people in GW2 that spent $300 or more just to open Black Lion chests (/facepalm).

It's funny that you mock people for paying money for what they want when you are advocating people spending money on a videogame. 

Spending on BLC is a form of gambling and some people enjoy that. Raiding is a form of gambling and some people enjoy that.

I highly recommend recognizing your own bias.

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  TeknoBug

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11/01/12 1:18:29 PM#25


Originally posted by eyelolled

Originally posted by TeknoBug  

Originally posted by m0lly free to play is today and future wake up old sub plan is last season, play to free with cash shop wihout too much of advantage items on sale gives more money than base sub, some people may spend triple more a month than just sub as buying stuff.
Sub model isn't dead, if it was then WoW would've gone F2P. As long as the game is quality and is P2P then people will pay.   It is true though, people spend tons of money on F2P games, there's people in GW2 that spent $300 or more just to open Black Lion chests (/facepalm).
It's funny that you mock people for paying money for what they want when you are advocating people spending money on a videogame. 

Spending on BLC is a form of gambling and some people enjoy that. Raiding is a form of gambling and some people enjoy that.

I highly recommend recognizing your own bias.



What bias? You can obtain the keys in game without spending a dime, but it takes longer to do and the drops from chests are terrible (confirmed), it's better off buying those dye packs or mats for legendaries.


  fadis

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11/01/12 7:21:57 PM#26
If you'd like to pay monthly - PS2 will have a subscription model. F2P isn't quite. If you've got 40 hours/week to burn on PS2 - SOE will gladly have you play their game for 'free' - because you are providing a whole lot of content to others. You need lots of people to have a war... It's an interesting model and I'm curious how it will work.
  Robokapp

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11/01/12 7:23:57 PM#27
Originally posted by Azoth

Couple people in this thread said that F2P wasn't P2W in many games.

I am curious, in which free game is the cash shop not P2W ?

 

 

I got two. League of legends and Urban Rivals.

  SysFail

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11/02/12 5:29:29 AM#28

This game isn't pay to win... You gain cert points faster if you sub or buy with station cash, but a minute old player can still kill someone whose spent a ton of certs upgrading.

Bullets are bullets, they all hit hard when they hit and its user skill that determines if they hit, theres no sword of mass destruction, no armour of blazing invulnerability, its guns people, guns! :)

  Edelbert

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11/03/12 1:54:25 PM#29
Originally posted by linwelin
Originally posted by Edelbert
Originally posted by reaperuk

Most new mmo's from now on are likely to be so called F2P's. The old subscription model is almost dead. Either you get used to it, or stop playing this type of game.

That's complete horseshit. In fact, most titles that moved from a subscription based model to F2P killed themselves with it. Let me just give you a prime example: Lineage 2.

Yes, it is still running. Yes, active accounts are looking healthy, BUT: Who is playing the game nowadays? I can tell you: Botters and "Premium players". There is no place for free players. It's all about who puts the most money in, wins. So, if you've got to invest thousands of dollars to win anything in the game, why are they even advertising free play? It makes no sense.

F2P is the plague like the op stated and it will soon enough kill the whole genre. All it does is cater to greedy publishers and developers. Also, may I ask what made you think subscription models are dead in the first place?

Most F2P titles so far have been complete utter failures and most of the games who wen't F2P recently almost died instantly.

There is not a single F2P title out there that is not to be considered P2W.

you're Lineage 2 example is not very good is it lol most people stoped playing that game when newer games came out, most people could not stand the grind in that game, them going F2P was a brilliant thing, because it attracted people that had never played it before, heck if i had not played in before i would of at least gave it a shot.

Anyone who had been playing that game for a considerable time would always have an advantage over any new player, i remember when i first started playing that game, i had to spend money buying adena, so it has always been a pay2win game.

Free 2 play games is the way forward now, i have no time for greedy devs like blizzard who charge to buy a game then charge to play it then charge for every exspansion pack! how many has there been now ? and please dont use that excuse it cost money to run servers its old and has been found a bad excuse for years now.

You lack logic. All F2P did to Lineage II was to attract more bots, farmers and P2W fetishists. Even more than the original game had. Also, there is a difference between build in P2W mechanics and illegal purchase of ingame currency. When you first started you didn't have to buy adena by spending real money in the first place. All you had to do was to play the game with a little bit of patience like every honest person did, you choose to cheat instead. Fine, that decision is up to yourself but don't call the game a P2W title without even the slightest bit of knowledge of the game purely based on your own pathetic experience.

Buying adena to get the best gear alone wasn't nearly enough back then, since the game had other important factors to it like for example grades. There has never been gear imbalances in the early years of the game.

  FrodoFragins

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11/03/12 2:06:45 PM#30
What's wrong with freaking B2P with a cosmetic only store?  That's the best model I can imagine.  If you add a major content update, charge a one time price for it.  If you make a quality product people will buy the box and your content updates.  No subs. No P2W stores.
  Zinzan

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11/04/12 5:00:49 AM#31
Originally posted by kdw75
I was a huge fan of PS. It was the first MMO I played and I spent hours on there having a blast with friends and people we met online. I am worried though that this being Free to Play will be an inferior game. Why are they going F2P on this? I tend to avoid F2P games like the plague so I am torn on this one since I am such a fan of the original.

PS had a subs fee and this was it's single biggest mistake, look how quickly that game died on it's arse.

Try not to think of PS as an mmo, think of it as an FPS, take an objective look at the game, compare it to the multitude of other FPS's around, would you honestly pay a subs fee to play PS2?

Some would, but not many, this is proven fact by PS1's terrible track record at retaining subs.

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  fenistil

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11/04/12 5:08:51 AM#32

While I personally avoid and hate any microtransaction schemes in mmoRPG's, I also don't think pure subsciption would work in game like Planetside2.   I am in beta and it is just shooter.  Yeah in persistant map on grand scale and owning bases and instalations gives you and your faction resources but in the end it is just a shooter.    

When I am playing it,  gameplay feel more similar to Battlefield 3 just on a bigger scale than a world you pay access to.

On the other hand almost all new mmorpg's suffer from the same thing - does not feel like a world.

  Professor78

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11/04/12 5:19:51 AM#33

I would pay a sub for PS2 for sure, for me I find the community in Free to play game horrible...

At least with subscribers, at least the majority are serious about it, and there to enjoy the game not just QQ chat and compare it to x,y,z

 

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  Zinzan

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11/04/12 5:28:21 AM#34
Originally posted by Professor78

I would pay a sub for PS2 for sure, for me I find the community in Free to play game horrible...

At least with subscribers, at least the majority are serious about it, and there to enjoy the game not just QQ chat and compare it to x,y,z

 

This is the main argument for a subs fee and it's a good one. The trouble is, if hardly anyone pays the subs fee because the game isn't worth a subs fee, how big will this community be and how happy will they be when the game struggles and they close the servers one by one as happened in PS?

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  User Deleted
11/04/12 5:28:35 AM#35
Originally posted by kdw75
I was a huge fan of PS. It was the first MMO I played and I spent hours on there having a blast with friends and people we met online. I am worried though that this being Free to Play will be an inferior game. Why are they going F2P on this? I tend to avoid F2P games like the plague so I am torn on this one since I am such a fan of the original.

As far as I'm aware your totally wrong it is not free to play its buy to play .

  Species5021

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11/04/12 5:31:35 AM#36

Has anyone thought about the idea that the free to play for Planetside 2 is needed to make it shine, the game is centered around human player warfare on an epic scale.

Free to play can deliver that.

  GwapoJosh

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11/04/12 5:34:28 AM#37
Originally posted by roo67
Originally posted by kdw75
I was a huge fan of PS. It was the first MMO I played and I spent hours on there having a blast with friends and people we met online. I am worried though that this being Free to Play will be an inferior game. Why are they going F2P on this? I tend to avoid F2P games like the plague so I am torn on this one since I am such a fan of the original.

As far as I'm aware your totally wrong it is not free to play its buy to play .

Nope it's f2p..  The package you can buy now is for a couple of extra items and Station Cash money to try and get you hooked on the marketplace.  It's also set up to where you have to choices:  Either grind forever to get the items you want or just throw down real cash to buy everything you need right when you start.  That way they can say the marketplace gives no advantages even though it obviously does..

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  User Deleted
11/04/12 5:55:33 AM#38
Originally posted by GwapoJosh
Originally posted by roo67
Originally posted by kdw75
I was a huge fan of PS. It was the first MMO I played and I spent hours on there having a blast with friends and people we met online. I am worried though that this being Free to Play will be an inferior game. Why are they going F2P on this? I tend to avoid F2P games like the plague so I am torn on this one since I am such a fan of the original.

As far as I'm aware your totally wrong it is not free to play its buy to play .

Nope it's f2p..  The package you can buy now is for a couple of extra items and Station Cash money to try and get you hooked on the marketplace.  It's also set up to where you have to choices:  Either grind forever to get the items you want or just throw down real cash to buy everything you need right when you start.  That way they can say the marketplace gives no advantages even though it obviously does..

Just have had a look at the website seems a bit confusing to be honest . To me if theres an upfront fee where you buy the client its buy to play but at the bottom it says its free to play . I'm supprised at this is it is right because earlier this year they were stating it wouldn't be a pay to win game . That to me suggested it would have to be a buy to play model because otherwise it would have to be pay to win under a free to play model for them to make money . I was considering this had it been a GW2 buy to play model but theres no way I'll bother with a pay to win pvp game . Very bad move .

  User Deleted
11/04/12 5:57:59 AM#39
Originally posted by Professor78

I would pay a sub for PS2 for sure, for me I find the community in Free to play game horrible...

At least with subscribers, at least the majority are serious about it, and there to enjoy the game not just QQ chat and compare it to x,y,z

 

lol thats not true . Lotro and DDO free to play and with two of the best most friendly communitys I've encountered in mmos . WoW subscription based with the worst community I know of in an mmo .

  GwapoJosh

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11/04/12 6:02:47 AM#40
Originally posted by roo67
Originally posted by GwapoJosh
Originally posted by roo67
Originally posted by kdw75
I was a huge fan of PS. It was the first MMO I played and I spent hours on there having a blast with friends and people we met online. I am worried though that this being Free to Play will be an inferior game. Why are they going F2P on this? I tend to avoid F2P games like the plague so I am torn on this one since I am such a fan of the original.

As far as I'm aware your totally wrong it is not free to play its buy to play .

Nope it's f2p..  The package you can buy now is for a couple of extra items and Station Cash money to try and get you hooked on the marketplace.  It's also set up to where you have to choices:  Either grind forever to get the items you want or just throw down real cash to buy everything you need right when you start.  That way they can say the marketplace gives no advantages even though it obviously does..

Just have had a look at the website seems a bit confusing to be honest . To me if theres an upfront fee where you buy the client its buy to play but at the bottom it says its free to play . I'm supprised at this is it is right because earlier this year they were stating it wouldn't be a pay to win game . That to me suggested it would have to be a buy to play model because otherwise it would have to be pay to win under a free to play model for them to make money . I was considering this had it been a GW2 buy to play model but theres no way I'll bother with a pay to win pvp game . Very bad move .

I was pretty excited about the game until recently.. Let's just say there is a rifle you really want.. You can't just work towards that rifle. There may be several rifles you have to grind until you can get it or you can just buy it straight from the store. So Johnny Numbnuts that used the store will be owning you for weeks while you grind.  Is it possible for SOE to not destry a game?  I don't think so..

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