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  rungard

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The Sandbox Foundation does not exist!

10/31/12 12:54:11 PM#641

eqn will be their first world, other than planetside 2, to have an open seamless world via the lightforge engine.

all we really do have is hints, but nowhere was it said they were going back to eq. They specifically said a "reimagining", which i take to be vastly different. Its even doubtful that it will have the "kill, reward,loot,levelup" gameplay of eq because they specifically said they wanted to do something different.

you should have a look at planetside 2 because alot of those features will undoubtedly make their way to EQN. Why would they waste them, they arent competing because of the station access and different themes.

i would expect the unexpected this time around.

what i would expect:

-spells and skills interact with the environment. A wall of dirt will deform the area. A meteor strike might burn down the woods. a druids spell will bring clouds and drown flames. you will be able to make your own spells/items/everything. More powerful spells will require powerful components to make them work.

- there will be raids, pve and pvp, but the game will be about worldbuilding first and everything else second.

-you will be able to build, maintain and own property including houses, lairs, towers, and castles in the world.

-there will be some form of pvp which includes territory control.

- Faction will be a major force in the game.

-the game will be the first true fps mmorpg

-there will be classes, and deep skill customization. You will be able to aquire all classes and skills in the game, but only operate as one class at a time.

-there will be mounts and there will be a whole customization section for these alone.

-gods will play a bigger role and you might have to defend your chosen god from other players.

- raiding will be completely different than what your used to. It will be more accessible, mostly in the open world, and have a random component to it. You might have to go scouting this time around. They wont always be waiting for you to kill them.

 

 

 

  Quirhid

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10/31/12 1:15:38 PM#642
Originally posted by rungard

eqn will be their first world, other than planetside 2, to have an open seamless world via the lightforge engine.

all we really do have is hints, but nowhere was it said they were going back to eq. They specifically said a "reimagining", which i take to be vastly different. Its even doubtful that it will have the "kill, reward,loot,levelup" gameplay of eq because they specifically said they wanted to do something different.

you should have a look at planetside 2 because alot of those features will undoubtedly make their way to EQN. Why would they waste them, they arent competing because of the station access and different themes.

i would expect the unexpected this time around.

what i would expect:

-spells and skills interact with the environment. A wall of dirt will deform the area. A meteor strike might burn down the woods. a druids spell will bring clouds and drown flames. you will be able to make your own spells/items/everything. More powerful spells will require powerful components to make them work.

- there will be raids, pve and pvp, but the game will be about worldbuilding first and everything else second.

-you will be able to build, maintain and own property including houses, lairs, towers, and castles in the world.

-there will be some form of pvp which includes territory control.

- Faction will be a major force in the game.

-the game will be the first true fps mmorpg

-there will be classes, and deep skill customization. You will be able to aquire all classes and skills in the game, but only operate as one class at a time.

-there will be mounts and there will be a whole customization section for these alone.

-gods will play a bigger role and you might have to defend your chosen god from other players.

- raiding will be completely different than what your used to. It will be more accessible, mostly in the open world, and have a random component to it. You might have to go scouting this time around. They wont always be waiting for you to kill them.

 

Do you actually know this or are you hyping yourself up with speculation? Because what it sounds like is you setting yourself up for a massive disappointment.

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  DavisFlight

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Joined: 9/25/12
Posts: 2594

10/31/12 1:20:51 PM#643
Originally posted by Mike-McQueen
If I remember correctly, EQ1 had pvp servers, some with special loot conditions like only 1 item and all your gold or something like that.

It did, but FFA PvP servers on games like EQ are generally... not very good. The game mechanics are never built for PvP, the items never balanced for it, so you just end up with a shallow gank fest. They should do systemized PvP like DAoC, rather than just toss in a poorly thought out FFA server.

  ShakyMo

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Joined: 11/21/11
Posts: 7246

10/31/12 1:22:07 PM#644
Those mentioning EQ should copy daoc somewhat.

It won't work, having more of a pvp focus wasn't the only difference between the games

Daoc - pvp was THE endgame, pve was secondary even though it had a pure pve server,pvp was the focus
It wasn't a gear grinding game,gear was fairly unimportant, sure not gw2 / coh unimportant, but class to those games than say wow or EQ.
Raiding was very different, it was a relatively easy thing to get involved in to bring whole realms together,it wasn't an exclusive activity for elite guilds only.

Sure daoc and EQ have some things in common, like they both have fully persistent zero instancing worlds, but the endgame was very different with daoc leaning much more on the pvp side of the pvp / pve scale and somewhat more on the casual side of the casual / hardcore scale.

Also planetside and no doubt planetside 2 are essentialy daoc endgame without "all the boring levelling and pve bits", but with fps mechanics in a sci-fi setting. I don't see why Sony would make a competing product especially when gw2 and by the looks TESO are offering a kinda daoc lite product.

  DavisFlight

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10/31/12 1:27:20 PM#645
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Those mentioning EQ should copy daoc somewhat.

It won't work, having more of a pvp focus wasn't the only difference between the games

Daoc - pvp was THE endgame, pve was secondary even though it had a pure pve server,pvp was the focus And this is bad how? It didn't stop DAoC from having some of the best, and hardest raids in MMO history.

It wasn't a gear grinding game,gear was fairly unimportant, sure not gw2 / coh unimportant, but class to those games than say wow or EQ. And this was an advantage. You could get the best gear from crafters OR from raids, depending on your playstyle. Raid gear generally looked prettier. It also meant that anyone could go to any raid, and that raids were skill based, not linear gear grinds. 
Raiding was very different, it was a relatively easy thing to get involved in to bring whole realms together,it wasn't an exclusive activity for elite guilds only. Again, a good thing. Though there were smaller raids for elite guilds who wanted a challenge. But it was more based around skill than gear. 

Sure daoc and EQ have some things in common, like they both have fully persistent zero instancing worlds, but the endgame was very different with daoc leaning much more on the pvp side of the pvp / pve scale and somewhat more on the casual side of the casual / hardcore scale.

Also planetside and no doubt planetside 2 are essentialy daoc endgame without "all the boring levelling and pve bits", but with fps mechanics in a sci-fi setting. I don't see why Sony would make a competing product especially when gw2 and by the looks TESO are offering a kinda daoc lite product.

 

Because having optional PvP means it'll appeal to more people than having a linear raiding system that's been outdated and fairly tired since the 90s?

  CalmOceans

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Joined: 5/06/11
Posts: 1939

10/31/12 1:34:36 PM#646
The Gods thing is interesting I think, EQNext will still be about Norrath from what I understand, but it be an alternative universe, another version of Norrath, not a continuation of the timeline. So some Gods that were evil in the past might be good now, etc.
  pvpirl

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Joined: 11/08/11
Posts: 171

10/31/12 1:37:26 PM#647


Originally posted by Hrimnir

Originally posted by Rimmersman Anyone who thinks EQNext is going to be built with PvP at the forefront is dreaming. Yeah it will have a great PvP system but EQ has always and will always be a PVE mmo at it's core.
This ^

 

I've been laughing my ass off with this thread and all the pvp dudes speculating and thinking of their perfect little PVP mmo.

EQ never has and never will be designed with PVP as a major focus.  Just because Smed is a fan of EVE doesn't mean that he is talking about PVP.  What is talking about is the emergent gameplay mechanics.  Basically the players making the content so to speak.


"My Eve experiences have been some of the most amazing of my gaming life. I am a true PVP'er at heart and I'm not a big fan of rules." - Smed

"Personally I play on the PvP server. It's a lot of fun to see all-out hero vs. villan fights. We're working on the balance and tuning at a furious pace, but it's a blast." -Smed

Smed hates pvp.

  3SulpNietorp

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Joined: 10/25/12
Posts: 13

10/31/12 1:44:16 PM#648
Originally posted by Quirhid
Originally posted by rungard

eqn will be their first world, other than planetside 2, to have an open seamless world via the lightforge engine.

all we really do have is hints, but nowhere was it said they were going back to eq. They specifically said a "reimagining", which i take to be vastly different. Its even doubtful that it will have the "kill, reward,loot,levelup" gameplay of eq because they specifically said they wanted to do something different.

you should have a look at planetside 2 because alot of those features will undoubtedly make their way to EQN. Why would they waste them, they arent competing because of the station access and different themes.

i would expect the unexpected this time around.

what i would expect:

-spells and skills interact with the environment. A wall of dirt will deform the area. A meteor strike might burn down the woods. a druids spell will bring clouds and drown flames. you will be able to make your own spells/items/everything. More powerful spells will require powerful components to make them work.

- there will be raids, pve and pvp, but the game will be about worldbuilding first and everything else second.

-you will be able to build, maintain and own property including houses, lairs, towers, and castles in the world.

-there will be some form of pvp which includes territory control.

- Faction will be a major force in the game.

-the game will be the first true fps mmorpg

-there will be classes, and deep skill customization. You will be able to aquire all classes and skills in the game, but only operate as one class at a time.

-there will be mounts and there will be a whole customization section for these alone.

-gods will play a bigger role and you might have to defend your chosen god from other players.

- raiding will be completely different than what your used to. It will be more accessible, mostly in the open world, and have a random component to it. You might have to go scouting this time around. They wont always be waiting for you to kill them.

 

Do you actually know this or are you hyping yourself up with speculation? Because what it sounds like is you setting yourself up for a massive disappointment.

 

I like the thoughts, excluding the two highlighted in red. Most of the systems already exist in SOE games; some are present in Rift and EVE, for example. The "new" elements would include trade-routes in persistent settings, "dynamic" AI, and terrain deformation. I'd like to see the concepts attempted. We can only wonder. ;)

The EQ Next ideas thread: http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=399389

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  Monamia222

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10/31/12 2:25:46 PM#649

As someone who played the original EQ for over 8 years until it was changed so much I had to stop, I am afraid of what the devs are going to do to it in the name of progress.  I would love to see them keep the soul of the game and just modernize the graphics and the engine.  It was a great game.  Why change it beyond recognition.

 

  pvpirl

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10/31/12 2:26:08 PM#650

idk about a FPS mmo. I hated that about darkfall. I liked look at my
troll's asscrack

  pvpirl

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10/31/12 2:34:14 PM#651

Also, EQN will be available on the Playstation new info

  Monamia222

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10/31/12 2:54:21 PM#652
That was dated 2008?

  OG_Zorvan

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10/31/12 2:57:25 PM#653
Originally posted by JeroKane

Also, if they gonna abbandon the Quest system, you can no longer really call it EverQuest in my opinion.

I don't know if you played EQ in the beginning, but Everquest actually had very few quest. The main "quest" was just to level up and take down baddies. Original EQ was more of a sandbox than most so-called sandboxes released since.

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  Aelious

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World > Quest Progression

10/31/12 2:57:36 PM#654
Originally posted by CalmOceans
The Gods thing is interesting I think, EQNext will still be about Norrath from what I understand, but it be an alternative universe, another version of Norrath, not a continuation of the timeline. So some Gods that were evil in the past might be good now, etc.

 

It's been quoted as a "multiverse" and that there are ties between them like the upcomming EQ and EQ2 expansions.  They could pull off the idea of different multiverses and having them connect at points since [self-removed].  In order to not spoil anything, yes I know EQ is 12 years old, suffice to say that there can be an infinate amount of different Norraths.

 

  Ryukan

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10/31/12 3:06:29 PM#655
Originally posted by Macecard
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by Ripostethis
Not enough funding to make it a big theme park mmo like Everquest 2 was. Will be something like GW2 , sounds like it will suck and be boring if you are into PVE, but will be based on pvp.

Haha what? How did you reach this conclusion?

Not enough funding? SoE is one of the most successful MMO companies out there. They had the funds to develop Planetside 2's engine from scratch (and it is an AMAZING engine). And how will it be like sandbox? GW2 is the opposite of a sanbox.

And why does sandbox mean PvP? SWG was PvE oriented, as was Asheron's Call.

Christ.

Thanks Davis, wasnt sure if it was just me thinking his whole post came out of his ***.

 Great response, made even better by the fact that the forum name is RIPOSTEthis. You riposte was well executed.

Also, years after the whole SWG NGE atrocity drove me to quit SWG after playing it from the start I have never had much respect or consideration for SOE in the MMO department. My initial reaction is skepticism looming over the briefest glimmer of hoipe that SOE will do this right. If they do i will certainly play it.

SO SICK OF THEMEPARK MMO's these days!!!. My favorite MMO's were the sandbox-ish ones. Asheron's Call and (Pre NGE) SWG for the most part.

  pvpirl

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10/31/12 3:27:46 PM#656

read smed's thread on reddit, he talks alot about the fall SWG, and elludes to the fact that alot of the good elements of SWG will be in EQN.

  rungard

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The Sandbox Foundation does not exist!

10/31/12 3:38:31 PM#657
Originally posted by Quirhid
Originally posted by rungard

eqn will be their first world, other than planetside 2, to have an open seamless world via the lightforge engine.

all we really do have is hints, but nowhere was it said they were going back to eq. They specifically said a "reimagining", which i take to be vastly different. Its even doubtful that it will have the "kill, reward,loot,levelup" gameplay of eq because they specifically said they wanted to do something different.

you should have a look at planetside 2 because alot of those features will undoubtedly make their way to EQN. Why would they waste them, they arent competing because of the station access and different themes.

i would expect the unexpected this time around.

what i would expect:

-spells and skills interact with the environment. A wall of dirt will deform the area. A meteor strike might burn down the woods. a druids spell will bring clouds and drown flames. you will be able to make your own spells/items/everything. More powerful spells will require powerful components to make them work.

- there will be raids, pve and pvp, but the game will be about worldbuilding first and everything else second.

-you will be able to build, maintain and own property including houses, lairs, towers, and castles in the world.

-there will be some form of pvp which includes territory control.

- Faction will be a major force in the game.

-the game will be the first true fps mmorpg

-there will be classes, and deep skill customization. You will be able to aquire all classes and skills in the game, but only operate as one class at a time.

-there will be mounts and there will be a whole customization section for these alone.

-gods will play a bigger role and you might have to defend your chosen god from other players.

- raiding will be completely different than what your used to. It will be more accessible, mostly in the open world, and have a random component to it. You might have to go scouting this time around. They wont always be waiting for you to kill them.

 

Do you actually know this or are you hyping yourself up with speculation? Because what it sounds like is you setting yourself up for a massive disappointment.

 Since i have almost no data ( well a few articles and planetside 2 to go on) im of course speculating. Im not too worried about setting myself up for a dissapointment. It will either be worthy or it wont. If they want my money they know what they need to do . Im long past being dissapointed about mmo's.  it will be what it will be.

 

 

 

  Azoth

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10/31/12 3:59:54 PM#658
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  Azoth

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10/31/12 4:01:07 PM#659
Originally posted by OG_Zorvan
Originally posted by JeroKane

Also, if they gonna abbandon the Quest system, you can no longer really call it EverQuest in my opinion.

I don't know if you played EQ in the beginning, but Everquest actually had very few quest. The main "quest" was just to level up and take down baddies. Original EQ was more of a sandbox than most so-called sandboxes released since.

The game had very few quests that's true, but some of them took weeks to complete. I think that's where the name came from. You had to find the quests and often even after talking to the guy you still had no idea what you had to do. If you didn't check spoilers on the web you could had couples hours to those quests easy.

I played EQ for about 3 years from release and I don't think it fits in the sandbox category.  I see it more as a theme park without many rides.

- Loot mostly dropped, almost meaningless crafting system. Economy based on loot, not crafted items.

- World wasn't interactive, no player created or destroyable content.

- Set class without customization

Those 3 things for me are needed to make a sandbox game.

It was an open world but still had a path you pretty much had to follow for level progression.

Today Theme Park are more obvious cause they have those big arrow neon signs telling you where to go.

  Burntvet

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10/31/12 4:09:31 PM#660
Originally posted by pvpirl

read smed's thread on reddit, he talks alot about the fall SWG, and elludes to the fact that alot of the good elements of SWG will be in EQN.

That's nice.

But the guy responsible for putting the sandbox systems into SWG (Raph Koster) is not involved in the MMO industry anymore, let alone SOE.

And as time went on, SOE personel continued to damage those few remaining sandbox elements that remained in SWG after the NGE nuke, simply because they did not know how do deal with those effectively.

So, Smed saying anything about sandbox play should be taken with a pound of salt.

 

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