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10/29/12 9:02:39 AM#41
"When will this unnecessary game bashing stop?" When people stop hitting the reply button to "game bashing" posts.
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10/29/12 9:04:54 AM#42
I feel that all of these negative posts are a direct result of a devolving MMO industry. We should be going forward instead of falling backwards. We have gone from robust crafting, deep class systems and open world exploration to cookie cutter themepark games with zero depth. That is my take on it anyway...
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10/29/12 9:05:41 AM#43
The level of negativity directed at MMOs is astounding. We are fortunate to be alive during a time where there are video games that appeal to everyone; where high-speed connectivity works in our favor to access those games, and where we have tools to reach across the globe and find others to share those games with. Rather then enjoy these years, some choose to waste them by getting angry over video games and at others for liking what they, themselves, do not like. |
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10/29/12 9:08:10 AM#44
Originally posted by pierth We are on the same page. It's what I do. Often wonder whether these folks are planted here by companies. Before I left MMO's for about a year, I had another account since march of '04, I have a pretty general idea of some of the long time members and who's word and opinion I tend to value more than others, and which folks are going to just tear into things.
Adding..........I really miss the days that MMO's were a niche market, mainstream killed mmo's for me. I'm not saying bring back corpse runs, but wow, I really miss the old communities. |
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10/29/12 9:09:48 AM#45
Well honestly there is just about the same amount of hype as there is bashing lol. But this day in age in the gaming community we shouldnt be getting piss poor mmo's. With the technology, skill, money, and advancements in the gaming industry why should bad games be released? I think many are just pist a game they feel they like is released and is a huge let down. I mean how many games have been released this past 5+ years that have realy sucked? A good bit.
And personaly i want to read the negativity of a game also. I lost track of the games i bought by just reading the hype, and was so disappointed after i got the game. Cant all be perfect and great mmo's.
Having an open mind and listening to the good and bad is part of life. And not being open minded only makes you narrow minded. |
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10/29/12 9:10:49 AM#46
can't beat them, join them. grinding my teeth is more more fun then grinding in [ insert mmo here] |
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10/29/12 9:14:37 AM#47
Originally posted by dreamsofwar We're the ones that have to listen to it. |
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Vesavius
 Old School
Joined: 3/08/04
Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this. |
10/29/12 9:18:01 AM#48
Originally posted by dreamsofwar
It is the lifeblood of the site... I wouldn't want it to go away anytime soon if you enjoy posting here in any sense. If these forums relied on purely positive posts for their footfall they would get about 10 hits a day lol :)
A simple fact of internet life is that the vast majority of people do not engage unless they are pissed off in some manner. Best get used to it if you want to share the space. |
Originally posted by Vesavius Im not talking about relying on only positive posts, more like constructive criticism. Bashing a game without an actual explanation and just saying "oh wah wah its shit wah worst game ever" doesn't really provide anybody on these forums with insight does it? |
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10/29/12 9:20:44 AM#50
Originally posted by pierth I'm a victim of this as much as anyone but it is true... look at all the threads with actual helpfull information or PVP videos or guides in any game and watch how fast they drop down.. then watch the post that simply states X game is boring as hell and watch it grow to 30 pages in a few hours.. misery loves company as always I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg |
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10/29/12 9:22:22 AM#51
Originally posted by bigsmiff I don't think the industry is devolving - It is evolving - may be you don't like where the industry is going. It does happen - look at the automobile industry - many people don't like how complex cars are (I don't) but that is the way the industry is going - you can't stop it.
Vote with your walltet but remember, we all have a vote.
 "You can fool some of the people all the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all the time." Abraham Lincoln |
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10/29/12 9:23:50 AM#52
Originally posted by dreamsofwar Who is talking about making money of critique? Critique is a form of and in of itself, it doesn't need to be paid. There is not thing like "positive criticism" or "constructive criticism" because its completely subjective what you will accept as "constructive" or "positive". You don't have the right to not be offended. Nobody has to "acknowledge" somethings stregths in order to criticize it. Please, don't try to police everyones speech by some arbitrary subjective standard of yours.  |
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Vesavius
Old School
Joined: 3/08/04
Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this. |
10/29/12 9:24:59 AM#53
Originally posted by dreamsofwar
hey, not arguing with your core point, I agree that a utopia of enlightened good natured positive discussions would be awesome. I am just saying that it isn't the reality of how people engage online in the main and best just to get used to that. I mean, look, you are here your self right now complaining about something because you have gotten pissed off enough to say something about it. It's just the way of the internet world. Forum users are a miserable bunch generally. Let me ask you a question... is the best way to change a culture to make a long thread moaning about other folk's behaviours, or is it to just lead by example in all the posts you make?
But yeah, I would consider constructive crticism a positive post type. |
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10/29/12 9:29:01 AM#54
Originally posted by dreamsofwar For all the constructive cricism Roger Ebert posts he does get flamed a lot and have to tolerate many insults by the fans of movies he rates low. I have seena lot of constructive posts going down in the flames here. Truth is that fans just can not tolerate anything negative about the game whteher constructive or not. These topics are simply labeled as 'troll posts' or accussed for having an agenda or 'another excuse to whine'. What you are expecting is just too much out of these forums.
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10/29/12 9:29:30 AM#55
Look into my swirling brassiere and believe all future mmo releases will be perfect. When I snap my fingers you will awaken! |
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10/29/12 9:30:21 AM#56
If people couldn't discuss things that they are not an expert in then life would be pretty boring. Every conversation I would have would be about IT Infrastructure and OS Image deployment/creation in a medium and large scale business environment. FUCK, kill me now.
Sure there are people around that take things to the extreme and just live for winding up others, plenty of these people exist in real life as well as on the internet, you just have to learn how to deal with them and avoid them if necessary.  |
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10/29/12 9:43:09 AM#57
Originally posted by SlickShoes The problem is people DO think they are experts. I mean, look at all the people quoting their gaming history and how long they have been playing games to justify what they say. It doesn't mean anything but it does show their bias as it shows what type of games they like. "You can fool some of the people all the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all the time." Abraham Lincoln |
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Omnifish
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Joined: 2/16/11
I'll kick your a**e so hard, you could build a swimming pool in the footprint! |
10/29/12 9:52:46 AM#58
Originally posted by dreamsofwar I think essentially this is more that you haven't found anyone here who has similar opinions to yourself, so maybe your finding the discussion element lacking. Forums rarely have gentlemenly rules so most will descend into flame wars. I will say this though, being positive about most titles is just not worth it in this industry. Why? Because I believe gamers are probably once of the most exploited customer bases on the planet. Pretty much every developer/publisher finds new ways to grab extra money of it's devouted playerbase for continuing to play, while talking a load of marketing bollocks that never lives up to expectations. That kind of attitude will leave even the most optimistic cynical. MMORPG fans are fed up with that, but at the same time are irrational. It's why you have so many complaints about f2p titles, pretty much everyone knows you'll have to pay for something at some point, nothings truly free, but then some complain becasue they feel there, 'owed', from past experiences. Screw the actual business model, or the compnay actually making money, SOE screwed SWG so I'm owed this man!! I think what your hoping for is just beyond most people at this point. The cycle will just start again with the next great white hope gets hyperboled to the heavens.. This looks like a job for....The Riviera Kid! |
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10/29/12 10:00:16 AM#59
We've all payed good money for bad games. Forums give us the ability to give feedback to make games better and a platform for voicing our displeasure at games that didn't meet our expectations.
MMORPG .com would be a hella boring place if everyone was like: "Hey, I liked (game X)" "Yeah, (game x) was fun." /endthread |
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cybertrucker
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Joined: 1/08/07
Freeloading mooches are the scourge of the gaming community. |
10/29/12 10:10:54 AM#60
Don't bash the games bash the bashers....flame on!!!
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