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  BethelsBoy

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"What I have shown you is reality. What you remember, that is the illusion."

10/29/12 7:52:55 AM#21
Originally posted by Jemcrystal
We're bashing the games because we are not the ones making them.  Deep down we all wish we could design the game and we are all sure we'd do a better job.  I know I would.

If you know you would then where is your title?  Where is your ground-breaking "MMO changing" title that is all the rage and what everyone is talking about? Yeah, not seeing it

  User Deleted
10/29/12 7:54:49 AM#22

People bash every game. The criteria for bashing a game is quite simple, if you don't happen to play it, it is shit and everyone who plays it is a moron.

 

If you want to see some good old fashioned lunatic style bashing, take a look at some of the anti WoW/EVE/Darkfall posts. The anti GW2 stuff looks like childs play in comparison.

  dreamsofwar

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OP  10/29/12 7:57:36 AM#23
Originally posted by Starpower
Originally posted by dreamsofwar

Please excuse and forgive this post if you disagree or I get my facts wrong. I am curious why most people constantly come on this site to troll and bash games that don't spell out doom and gloom for them or their gameplay experience?

Why do you come here and read it?

 

You could just.. you know play the games you enjoy and talk about them on actual fan sites

Well its a good point. I come here to learn about new MMO's and keep up to date. It is mainly a news site after all. I do also come here for player reviews of games and discussions concerning games. By discussions I don't mean hate threads and flame wars by the way. Just interesting, informed opinions. I keep my eyes on multiple games out of interest. I suppose I could go to each sites forums individually but that is much more time consuming and possibly more bias.

  LoverNoFighter

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SWG pre cu > all

10/29/12 7:58:26 AM#24

As long as we pay for the game, I think we're entitled to bash them.

In most cases, the bashing is justified.

  botrytis

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10/29/12 7:59:01 AM#25
People think that they know what is best and whine and complain when something comes out that doesn't cater to them. Plain and simple - very 'It's all about ME!' orientation. That and also people don't understand the time and work involved in producing games - it seems like they feel these game companies shold snap their fingers and things change.

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  botrytis

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10/29/12 8:00:18 AM#26
Originally posted by LoverNoFighter

As long as we pay for the game, I think we're entitled to bash them.

In most cases, the bashing is justified.

Bashing is NEVER justified - PERIOD. Constructive criticism, yes - bashing no.

 

All games are made by human design, so we have to deal with that foible.

"In 50 years, when I talk to my grandchildren about these days, I'll make sure to mention what an accomplished MMO player I was. They are going to be so proud ..."
by Naqaj - 7/17/2013 MMORPG.com forum

  Betaguy

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Some folks are like Slinkies, totally useless but great fun to watch when pushed down stairs

10/29/12 8:00:38 AM#27
Originally posted by dreamsofwar

Please excuse and forgive this post if you disagree or I get my facts wrong. I am curious why most people constantly come on this site to troll and bash games that don't spell out doom and gloom for them or their gameplay experience?

 

Why must people jump up and immediately point fingers and foam spit out of their mouths if they don't like Guild Wars 2? Why get so angry if Turbine has layoffs? Why say a game is dead when there is a server merge? Why not just sit back and think for a moment?

 

I genuinly believe MMO's thrive on the success of others if they have the resourcefulness and cunning to adapt, which I believe a fair number do.

 

Do you think Rift would go out of its way to become more than just a themepark if it had no competition on the market? Do you think WoW would have adopted certain features of its competition over the years, despite being on top? What about LOTRO with RoR, the tagging system seems strangely similar to the system in GW2, doesn't it? It is also being called one of the best expansions in terms of improvements in gameplay for LOTRO. So you see competition improves games. Its healthy and its positive. So to the people that come here regularly and say things like "oh I hope x game dies because y game will kill it LOLOLOL", well I see this, I bloody well hope not. I may not be sold on GW2 yet but I am confident in the new features I will introduce, I am confident that some of these features might get into the heads of other developers and be expanded on or tweaked. 

 

What I hope people realize I'm trying to say is other MMO's shouldn't be looked at as enemies, something to be threatened and scared by to the extent that there is much time spent raging at the keyboard about how it sucks and nobody should play it. Why not look at it simply as a positive contribution towards this genre, no matter how small? Even if it is another cookie cutter theme park that can at first glance be passed off as a clone with no contribution towards the genre, how about simply looking at it as a positive thing? Plenty of theme park clones on the market would influence developers of new projects to steer away from that gameplay, to try something new.

 

Again, if my facts are wrong forgive me. However, I genuinly believe that all of this raging and trolls vs fan(atic)s is really quite meaningless.

All the bashing is from a small vocal minority not the majority... It's the same people over and over if you look. 

  cybertrucker

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10/29/12 8:02:15 AM#28

I find it humorous at times. Seeing people post things like "I played the game for 500 hours and it's terrible I will never go back"  what even makes it more humorous is that many times in these posts the game has only  been out for 2 months. 

My recommendation is to get a job and a life. I would hate everything too if all I did was sit in front of the computer playing 22 hours a day.

 

  Icewhite

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10/29/12 8:03:44 AM#29
Originally posted by dreamsofwar

Please excuse and forgive this post if you disagree or I get my facts wrong. I am curious why most people constantly come on this site to troll and bash games that don't spell out doom and gloom for them or their gameplay experience?

Well, the big game opening at the end of  last year still gets a half-hearted bashing from time to time, but most of the determination is gone.

I'd say most of it takes place in the first six-nine months.  Depends on other major releases.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  cybertrucker

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Freeloading mooches are the scourge of the gaming community.

10/29/12 8:04:52 AM#30
And another thing as posted above. You do see the same people over and over doing it. ..Just. Makes me laugh. 
  StonesDK

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10/29/12 8:06:04 AM#31
Originally posted by dreamsofwar
Originally posted by Starpower
Originally posted by dreamsofwar

Please excuse and forgive this post if you disagree or I get my facts wrong. I am curious why most people constantly come on this site to troll and bash games that don't spell out doom and gloom for them or their gameplay experience?

Why do you come here and read it?

 

You could just.. you know play the games you enjoy and talk about them on actual fan sites

Well its a good point. I come here to learn about new MMO's and keep up to date. It is mainly a news site after all. I do also come here for player reviews of games and discussions concerning games. By discussions I don't mean hate threads and flame wars by the way. Just interesting, informed opinions. I keep my eyes on multiple games out of interest. I suppose I could go to each sites forums individually but that is much more time consuming and possibly more bias.

Forums like anything is a form of entertainment. I've been to many and the ones where the moderation is so strict, where only fan related posts are allowed (all negative even constructive ones are removed) doesn't see a lot of traffic. Same goes for sites where people are gathered in agreement over something. It will have its moment then quickly fall to small numbers.

Forums thrive on conflict and people are entertained by it wether negatively or positively. Ask Jerry Springer. Sometimes when a game lets you down and you have nothing else to look forward to playing. The forums are your best source of getting that bang for your buck you just wasted

  LoverNoFighter

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SWG pre cu > all

10/29/12 8:11:26 AM#32
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by LoverNoFighter

As long as we pay for the game, I think we're entitled to bash them.

In most cases, the bashing is justified.

Bashing is NEVER justified - PERIOD. Constructive criticism, yes - bashing no.

 

All games are made by human design, so we have to deal with that foible.

If the product is shit, then I see no reason not to bash it.

Espescially when management of said product blatantly ignore their paying customers.

  Icewhite

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Pink, it's like red but not quite.

10/29/12 8:15:28 AM#33
Originally posted by AdamTM

Criticizing isn't contingent on the ability to physically create something.

Else 99% of movie, book, food and other critics would be out of a job. Roger Ebert isn't a director, he can't make movies.

He is both writer and screenwriter.  You have to count Beyond the Valley of the Dolls and assorted biographies though.

Don't let that stand in the way of disdain for critics though, they certainly deserve some.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  User Deleted
10/29/12 8:16:40 AM#34
Originally posted by LoverNoFighter
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by LoverNoFighter
 

If the product is shit, then I see no reason not to bash it.

Espescially when management of said product blatantly ignore their paying customers.

It's also pretty funny sometimes.

  ShakyMo

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10/29/12 8:42:36 AM#35
Sorry but the swtor bashing was justified.

Universal 9/10 reviews given to a mmo that played like an average sprpg
  lifeordinary

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10/29/12 8:45:56 AM#36
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Sorry but the swtor bashing was justified.

Universal 9/10 reviews given to a mmo that played like an average sprpg

To fans of any MMO, bashing of their precious is never justified. Isn't that how GW2 fans or any fans feel?

Many will say that bashing for GW2 is justified too. This is just nonsense and again falls into 'soccer fan' mentality.

Many have been saying samething about GW2 that it plays like a solo RPG.

  Painlezz

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10/29/12 8:50:34 AM#37

Sadly, can't agree with you about the Non-bias moderators comments...

 

I've gotten several "suspensions" likely from fanboys reporting my posts and mod's not bothering to actually read.  I know this for a fact because I sent in a complaint and a DIFFERENT took a second to read the situation and removed the suspension...

 

Best I can tell 90% of the moderation is done by user reports and the mods just take action on those.  I understand the need for users to assist in moderation considering how many posts are on this site however the system is bad as it is.

I believe a post can only be reported once.  It should allow the post to be reported by multiple people making it easier for moderators to tell right away if the community feels the post was a "troll" or if just one person got butt-hurt over it and is crying to "mommy"  ;)

 

Anyway, who wants to read "This game is super duper pooper amazing!"   "Best game ever!"   "You'll never find a better game this game beats every other game!"

Personally I want to see what negative thngs people have to say about he game.  Sadly it takes a while to filter out the trolling and useless complaints (similar to he useless positive post examples above).

  lifeordinary

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10/29/12 8:55:57 AM#38
Originally posted by Painlezz

Sadly, can't agree with you about the Non-bias moderators comments...

 

I've gotten several "suspensions" likely from fanboys reporting my posts and mod's not bothering to actually read.  I know this for a fact because I sent in a complaint and a DIFFERENT took a second to read the situation and removed the suspension...

 

Best I can tell 90% of the moderation is done by user reports and the mods just take action on those.  I understand the need for users to assist in moderation considering how many posts are on this site however the system is bad as it is.

I believe a post can only be reported once.  It should allow the post to be reported by multiple people making it easier for moderators to tell right away if the community feels the post was a "troll" or if just one person got butt-hurt over it and is crying to "mommy"  ;)

 

Anyway, who wants to read "This game is super duper pooper amazing!"   "Best game ever!"   "You'll never find a better game this game beats every other game!"

Personally I want to see what negative thngs people have to say about he game.  Sadly it takes a while to filter out the trolling and useless complaints (similar to he useless positive post examples above).

I agree. I also like to read criticism and negative topics more because there is always room for improvement in MMOS.

On the other hand 'best game ever', 'servers are full, trolls are lying' etc offer nothing in that regards.

  Kyleran

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10/29/12 8:57:45 AM#39

Pretty simple really, forums are another form of FFA PVP, just without the full looting.

People who repetitively bash games are your  corpse campers and those who willfully spread mis-information could be considered your griefers.

It will never stop, (do people stop bashing each others pro sports teams, even when there is no logical reason to support one over another?) so you have a choice to make, join the fun or walk away.

 

 

Arrogant, Condescending, Dismissive, Elitist, you speak as if these are bad things?
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  dreamsofwar

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OP  10/29/12 9:02:34 AM#40
Originally posted by lifeordinary
Originally posted by Painlezz

Sadly, can't agree with you about the Non-bias moderators comments...

 

I've gotten several "suspensions" likely from fanboys reporting my posts and mod's not bothering to actually read.  I know this for a fact because I sent in a complaint and a DIFFERENT took a second to read the situation and removed the suspension...

 

Best I can tell 90% of the moderation is done by user reports and the mods just take action on those.  I understand the need for users to assist in moderation considering how many posts are on this site however the system is bad as it is.

I believe a post can only be reported once.  It should allow the post to be reported by multiple people making it easier for moderators to tell right away if the community feels the post was a "troll" or if just one person got butt-hurt over it and is crying to "mommy"  ;)

 

Anyway, who wants to read "This game is super duper pooper amazing!"   "Best game ever!"   "You'll never find a better game this game beats every other game!"

Personally I want to see what negative thngs people have to say about he game.  Sadly it takes a while to filter out the trolling and useless complaints (similar to he useless positive post examples above).

I agree. I also like to read criticism and negative topics more because there is always room for improvement in MMOS.

On the other hand 'best game ever', 'servers are full, trolls are lying' etc offer nothing in that regards.

What about non bias reviews about the game rather than one sided arguments? I don't find constantly reading negative threads gives me a good idea of a game either.

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