Originally posted by Phry

Originally posted by sanshi44

Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

EQ was a themepark through and through.  Linear class design, every warrior was the same, every monk, every druid... Completely loot driven.  Zones catering to specific levels (yes there were some mobs in each zone that were harder but the zone itself was all approximately the same level).  Llimted crafting completely outdone by loot and of course absolutely no way to impact/shape/own the world.

EQ was a complete themepark.

What is or what isnt a themepark/sandbox all comes down to the individual, for me EQ was neither sandbox or themepark.

For me themeparks are on the rail and hold ur hand - which EQ was definetly not this is what i see as the key factor of a themepark game .

For me Sandbox allow you can influence the world itself build cities edit terrain and all that good stuff and lots of xploration and hidden things.

It just means that Everquest was one of the first Theme Park games, Sandbox game mechanics are totally different, its not really a matter of opinion, Sandbox games do not have levels, or 'classes' and neither do the mobs etc that you encounter in the wilderness.

Arrr but sandbox uses a skil system which EQ also had aswell if you remember correctly there was a skill that lvled for every skill/spell you used. 1h sword skill the higher it was the more accurate and more dmg you did with swing, Evocation skill reduced the amount of fizzles and increased effectiveness of the spell that used the Evocation skill. Meditation skill the higher it was the faster your mana regenerated, Some were class only based skill other everyone got. EQ has alot of sandbox element but it also has alot of themepark it is a theme of its own, its neither completly sandbox and its neither a complete themepark.

Originally posted by sanshi44

Originally posted by Phry

Originally posted by sanshi44

Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

EQ was a themepark through and through.  Linear class design, every warrior was the same, every monk, every druid... Completely loot driven.  Zones catering to specific levels (yes there were some mobs in each zone that were harder but the zone itself was all approximately the same level).  Llimted crafting completely outdone by loot and of course absolutely no way to impact/shape/own the world.

EQ was a complete themepark.

What is or what isnt a themepark/sandbox all comes down to the individual, for me EQ was neither sandbox or themepark.

For me themeparks are on the rail and hold ur hand - which EQ was definetly not this is what i see as the key factor of a themepark game .

For me Sandbox allow you can influence the world itself build cities edit terrain and all that good stuff and lots of xploration and hidden things.

It just means that Everquest was one of the first Theme Park games, Sandbox game mechanics are totally different, its not really a matter of opinion, Sandbox games do not have levels, or 'classes' and neither do the mobs etc that you encounter in the wilderness.

Arrr but sandbox uses a skil system which EQ also had aswell if you remember correctly there was a skill that lvled for every skill/spell you used. 1h sword skill the higher it was the more accurate and more dmg you did with swing, Evocation skill reduced the amount of fizzles and increased effectiveness of the spell that used the Evocation skill. Meditation skill the higher it was the faster your mana regenerated, Some were class only based skill other everyone got. EQ has alot of sandbox element but it also has alot of themepark it is a theme of its own, its neither completly sandbox and its neither a complete themepark.

 This is accurate. I dont agree than you cant use a class system in a sandbox, but eq certainly has a skill based system underneath its levelling system. eq had soo much fun stuff that no one talks about. That stuff was the magic. Not the levels and not the raids. Weve seen what magic is created from levels and raids.

lets see what the other magic can do.

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Originally posted by ShakyMo
Exactly, you can't have progression pve in a sandbox, its the opposite of sandbox.EQ was a themeparkEQ2 was a themeparkEQ fans love progression pve.Therefore EQN will have progression pve and will be a themepark. Although it may have some sandbox elements around crafting / housing / farming / Terra forming etc.. the very act of having the Linearality of a progression pve endgame (well endgame full stop) will make it not a sandbox.

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We shall see, but I wouldn't be so quick to write it off.

Non-stanced dungeons and forced leveling via question would be enough of a step in the right direction for me to be vaguely happy.

how can you tell if there interested in eq and sandboxes? :)

Originally posted by koboldfodder
The fact that this thread is 50 something pages long pretty much shows the interest in EQ as well as sandbox type games.

On this forum though, I don't know if we're a good representation of the current or potential MMO player.

I just installed and played EQ2 for the first time. The EQN team better, BETTER, forget any of those design concepts ever happened. And post luclin EQ1 frankly.

Originally posted by pvpirl

I just installed and played EQ2 for the first time. The EQN team better, BETTER, forget any of those design concepts ever happened. And post luclin EQ1 frankly.

 well after having a really good look at planetside 2's systems i have this feeling that the entire eq next gameworld will have a major territory control component to it and aside of starting cities there will be no safezones in the world and the game will be FPS.  

i have this feeling that there will be frontlines for war and the teams will be as follows. The frontlines will be constant battles but behind the lines it will be relatively safe with guards and patrols.

Doesnt matter if its true what you said Mr Smea...Smedley,but i give you now  this rare  Phial of Galadriel anyways,you might need it.

If you can lead MMORPG´s out of Saurons realm or help in the process even tiny bit ,then NGE never happened in my books.

Originally posted by ShakyMo
Rungard

I doubt Sony would launch a second rvr game, why would they want more competition, when ps2 will already have competition from gw2 & teso as a rvr game and firefall as a sci-fi fps mmo

 Free assets i would imagine. Im sure theyll reuse anything thats useful since they are both made with the same engine. If its not rvr im sure it will be world pvp probabally half safe zones

have you seen those maps? each one is 64 square kilometers and there is three. Regardless of how it goes, i think we have alot of goodness coming our way.

Good take on the sandbox/themepark debate from Pyrostasis.

Originally posted by pvpirl

Good take on the sandbox/themepark debate from Pyrostasis.

I watched it, he spent 2 months in UO preparing to steal everything from another person just to get back at him, that's griefing for me.

Dunno  if this has been posted already but as we all suspected the failure of swtor was the main reason for soe to take a new direction in the design

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/10/23/sony-online-everquest-next-design/

Originally posted by rungard

Originally posted by pvpirl

I just installed and played EQ2 for the first time. The EQN team better, BETTER, forget any of those design concepts ever happened. And post luclin EQ1 frankly.

 well after having a really good look at planetside 2's systems i have this feeling that the entire eq next gameworld will have a major territory control component to it and aside of starting cities there will be no safezones in the world and the game will be FPS.  

i have this feeling that there will be frontlines for war and the teams will be as follows. The frontlines will be constant battles but behind the lines it will be relatively safe with guards and patrols.

 

Good	Neutral	Evil
Dwarf Fae Froglok Halfling High Elf Wood Elf	Barbarian Erudite Gnome Half Elf Human Kerra	Arasai Dark Elf Iksar Ogre Sarnak Troll

 

actually the diety based pvp server from eq1 way back would be a more logical step and it's ruleset was pretty good and already written, wouldn't be too hard to adapt it and not have to change the world and it's lore to fit some weird one race per team thing. the three teams were made up of goodies (tunare, marr, etc..), newts (agnostics, sol ro, bristlebane, etc..), and evils (cazic, inno, bertox, etc..). 

Was by far the best eq experience I ever had. didn't think they would end the server as it was the most popular pvp server by far, and the rewards for killing other players were interesting and just beginning to get creative when it was all pulled.

In my perfect game, Smed mixes the lore and game of the EQ1 diety pvp server with the original SWG game, when we could 'bring a knife to a gunfight'.

SWG had by far the best cities, crafting, and population of any game, the wars were intense and hard fought. Put that in Norrath and I believe you have an epic game.