Originally posted by jdnewell

Why do people argue over anything? especially when its all a matter of opinion anyways.

Human nature I suppose.

Becouse if we did not argue over almost everything here, then we ether would never post or we would only talk about real aspects of gaming and games.

lol we would be board lol 

Originally posted by Arkain

Becouse if we did not argue over almost everything here, then we ether would never post or we would only talk about real aspects of gaming and games.

 

lol we would be board lol 

Like your Sig.

Ain't it funny how the exact same whine goes on at the TSW forums too :p

/facepalm

Originally posted by jdnewell

Originally posted by JackFrosty

Originally posted by Istavaan

Originally posted by Rimmersman

Originally posted by JackFrosty
Then stop complaining and go back to GW2. Bye.

Lol, the thing is all these players saying they can never pay for a sub again are going to come unstuck. If they think subs died with the release of GW2 then they are delusional.

All they are doing is limiting the amount of MMOs they can play.

we will see when the next round of mmo's are released..planetside is next and is free 2 play. can you name an mmorpg coming out soon that will have a sub? Subcriptions are dead.

Sorry it took me a few minutes to stop laughing to reply.

Subs are dead yet the most successful MMO in history still has 10 million subs 8 yrs later and counting.

Add to that the fact that TITAN is going to be sub based and crush everything on the market when it arrives and you think sub-based is dead. lol.

What I think is even more LOL worthy is that people playing " F2P " games usually spend way more than $15 a month, often much more, even into the $100s of dollars. Just look at some of the halloween event posts on GW2.

Then these same people will rail and whine, bitch and moan if they had to pay $15 a month. I bet in 2 months if you asked those same people who just dropped $100s in GW2 cash shop to pay $15 a month they would act like the world was ending.

And I bet a good many of them spend more than $15 a month of much lesser entertainment, like movies, or 8 hour length ps3/360 games, or their online porn sub, ect. Thats what I think is really funny.

Wait,.... what?

People sub to porn........on the internet.......???....do they know about google???? 

sorry I was dazes and whent of topic

Originally posted by halflife25

Originally posted by alancode
Omg I don't see how people have a problem paying a TINY tiny 15 dollars a month....really? really. Going to the movie theater on friday night with your buds is more than 15 dollars...and that is for 2 hours...It is just 15 bucks

One movie night with wife costs me anywhere between 50 to 100 bucks, because well can't just go back home after watching a movie. 15 bucks is like a pocket change for whole month of entertainment.

On the other hand isn't it funny how subscription people make such a big deal about the B2P/F2P crowd buying $20 in game cash for an event, every 6 months, and such.  A P2P game costs on average, including the micro-transactions for xpacs, about $250 per year per game.   I have a great selection of subscription free games that cost me nowhere near that per year.

I just find it totally laughable that $15 is nothing for a sub, but a crazy gouge for the cash shop.

To the OP- who are you apologizing to and why would anyone on these boards want an apology for you not subscribing to Rift? Do you do this for every MMO you try?

Originally posted by Icewhite
Why do people argue about this?

For the same reason my mmo has to be better than your mmo:  the whole false sense of security we get from feeling "right".  On the other hand lots of us just like to argue.

I suppose I justify it because I'm hoping we'll get a message through to publishers that subscriptions are a gouge.  There is a potential to increase the active player base for a game and keep it relevant across a wider group of people.  Subscriptions artificially limit access to a game which I think is bad for the community and continued health of the game.

I love RIFT and would definitely continue playing it if it were B2P with a light cash shop.  I'm done with subscriptions for the forseeable future.

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by halflife25

Originally posted by alancode
Omg I don't see how people have a problem paying a TINY tiny 15 dollars a month....really? really. Going to the movie theater on friday night with your buds is more than 15 dollars...and that is for 2 hours...It is just 15 bucks

One movie night with wife costs me anywhere between 50 to 100 bucks, because well can't just go back home after watching a movie. 15 bucks is like a pocket change for whole month of entertainment.

On the other hand isn't it funny how subscription people make such a big deal about the B2P/F2P crowd buying $20 in game cash for an event, every 6 months, and such.  A P2P game costs on average, including the micro-transactions for xpacs, about $250 per year per game.   I have a great selection of subscription free games that cost me nowhere near that per year.

I just find it totally laughable that $15 is nothing for a sub, but a crazy gouge for the cash shop.

Assuming 20 bucks is all people spend in cash for events. 15 bucks for  a month for Rift is fixed and all content is avilable to you without Trion tryign to push CS on its player base.

So nope not the same thing.

Originally posted by Tabloid42

Originally posted by Arkain

Becouse if we did not argue over almost everything here, then we ether would never post or we would only talk about real aspects of gaming and games.

 

lol we would be board lol 

 

Like your Sig.

 

Ain't it funny how the exact same whine goes on at the TSW forums too :p

/facepalm

 

thanks,

lol, yah, its gose on all over MMORPG.com, one would think it is the mmorpg.com raison d'etre: "they argue, there for I am!"

by the by, I play both MMO's (a year to one and life time to the other).

Originally posted by Arkain

thanks,

lol, yah, its gose on all over MMORPG.com, one would think it is the mmorpg.com's raison d'etre: "they argue, there for I am!"

Except in this case, we won't be consulted over (whatever a corporate beancounter decides the best payment play is at any given time (x)),

The only thing that changes a company's previous model is a massive change (addition, departure) in the player base, that alters the other variables and produces a new 'most profitable plan'.  And in any case, no company can go FTP until their cash shop strategy is ready, even if every single subscriber is bitching on their home site.

Some random mook on mmorpg.com is bitching?  Accounting staff: "Oh, when are they not?" (change tv channel).

In my experience the people who clamor over having to pay a monthly sub fee are normally the type of people that jump from game to game playing a couple weeks here or there just to experience new sytems and move on . Most of these people are not really contributining to the continued development of a game but then will go on forums complaining that the newest release that they want to try out has a sub so they are unable to do there trial with it.

I understand where they are coming from, they do not want to put out the money on something that they will commit too. The options they are given then are f2p/b2p with cash shops, which for these people work great. They get to tour the game then move on to the next one. This does not work so well for the companies or playerbase. 

To stay with a f2p game to me just doesn't make sense. I made that mistake in Runes of Magic. There were people out there saying that you could trade in game gold for diamonds, but this is all based on supply and demand, and I am sure that my time is more valueable to me than spending hours grinding out gold to trade for a few measly dollars a week. I would have to get al the gold I could possibly need in a short period of time if you compared it to what you actually make in a job. In other words., for me to play a frree to play game by griniding in game, I better not have to grind more than 30 minutes doing something I do not like or it does not make financial sense.

Of course, I don't game hop every few weeks so perhaps this is the differnence.

Originally posted by alancode
Omg I don't see how people have a problem paying a TINY tiny 15 dollars a month....really? really. Going to the movie theater on friday night with your buds is more than 15 dollars...and that is for 2 hours...It is just 15 bucks

maybe because you have more fun with your friends in real life than just sitting behind a screen and bashing monsters?

if the choice is :  spend 15 bucks monthly or 50 bucks with friends and having good time  ,you know my choice

now i can understand people have more fun to kill some pixels with a keyboard

Originally posted by Arkain

Originally posted by jdnewell

Originally posted by JackFrosty

Originally posted by Istavaan

Originally posted by Rimmersman

Originally posted by JackFrosty
Then stop complaining and go back to GW2. Bye.

Lol, the thing is all these players saying they can never pay for a sub again are going to come unstuck. If they think subs died with the release of GW2 then they are delusional.

All they are doing is limiting the amount of MMOs they can play.

we will see when the next round of mmo's are released..planetside is next and is free 2 play. can you name an mmorpg coming out soon that will have a sub? Subcriptions are dead.

Sorry it took me a few minutes to stop laughing to reply.

Subs are dead yet the most successful MMO in history still has 10 million subs 8 yrs later and counting.

Add to that the fact that TITAN is going to be sub based and crush everything on the market when it arrives and you think sub-based is dead. lol.

What I think is even more LOL worthy is that people playing " F2P " games usually spend way more than $15 a month, often much more, even into the $100s of dollars. Just look at some of the halloween event posts on GW2.

Then these same people will rail and whine, bitch and moan if they had to pay $15 a month. I bet in 2 months if you asked those same people who just dropped $100s in GW2 cash shop to pay $15 a month they would act like the world was ending.

And I bet a good many of them spend more than $15 a month of much lesser entertainment, like movies, or 8 hour length ps3/360 games, or their online porn sub, ect. Thats what I think is really funny.

Wait,.... what?

People sub to porn........on the internet.......???....do they know about google???? 

sorry I was dazes and whent of topic

This ^

Originally posted by Tonin109

Originally posted by alancode
Omg I don't see how people have a problem paying a TINY tiny 15 dollars a month....really? really. Going to the movie theater on friday night with your buds is more than 15 dollars...and that is for 2 hours...It is just 15 bucks

maybe because you have more fun with your friends in real life than just sitting behind a screen and bashing monsters?

if the choice is :  spend 15 bucks monthly or 50 bucks with friends and having good time  ,you know my choice

now i can understand people have more fun to kill some pixels with a keyboard

But you know you can do both, don't you? Not mutually exclusive.

Originally posted by alancode
Omg I don't see how people have a problem paying a TINY tiny 15 dollars a month....really? really. Going to the movie theater on friday night with your buds is more than 15 dollars...and that is for 2 hours...It is just 15 bucks

And I can't understand why so many people on these forums get hung up on the amount of the sub and discredit peoples opinions when they don't feel it's a value. Price and Value are not the same thing. I have no problem paying a sub for a game, but none have been worth the price nor has the cost varied or been justified by any developers. The only exception I have found was EVE and that's because you aren't charged for the expansions. When they say the sub pays for the further development guess what, it actually does and your monthly sub is returned in the form of the content you have been paying for every month.

I refuse to pay a sub for a lot of titles I bought and it has ZERO to do with whether or not I can afford it. Never has and never will. When I don't play games I am much more inclined to blow money on dumb stuff so playing a MMO actually saves me money. OP, you pretty much didn't do what I am talking about because you came across as whining about the price so I can see why you get the flak, but to turn this into a statement about anyone not agreeing with a sub should stop playing because they are poor is pretty dumb. Other than how the issue was put out there, I agree that I also couldn't subscribe to Rift and there is no reason to be sorry. Move on OP.

Originally posted by mWo4life

I have Rift trial account. I just reached lvl 20 and to continue to play it  I need to buy the game and to subscribe. I can buy the game with expansion, no problem, what is stopping me is subscription. I just don't want to pay to play.

I also play GW2 and EVE now, and I cannot see any justification why I should pay sub-fee in Rift. Combat is boring tap-targeting, graphics is outdated, no voiced cut-scenes, all quests are like kill 10x of this, collect 10x of that, etc. GW2 provides better experience for me without sub-fee than Rift with sub-fees. Ppl say Rift has good end-game. Maybe, but it will take me months before I reach it. So why bother, if I don't know I will even like it? The only sub-fees that I tolerate atm are in EVE. And this is because, I have an option to pay the fees using in-game currency.

 

 

So what are you looking for? Sounds like you made your choice.