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  tom_gore

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10/26/12 6:53:30 AM#21
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by tom_gore

It's because UW is the same game as DF is today. With the same problems, with the same butt-ugly animations and with the same horrible UI.

So..... youre basing this on the fact that you know absolutely nothing whatsoever? Even a complete simpleton can see the UI is very different from the few screens and videos shown.

- New UI

- Role system

- removal of rays

- new skills / spells

- changes to alignment system

- entire world overhauled

- improved graphics

- reduced grind

- improved siege system

- enhancements to customizing bases / holdings

- various changes to crafting

- momentum system

- crosshair wobble

- removal of surging

- changes to attacking in NPC cities

- new mount possession  / theft system

- fall damage implementation to prevent / reduce bunny hopping

I could go on, but yes. Clearly youre correct. The game is EXACTLY the same......

 

So it will have a new horrible UI and a lot of changes that they could have done in the original game, yet they chose to launch a completely new title?

I see you have bought 100% into what AV is telling you. Me... well I've learned the hard way and am waiting until the game is out and I can see what's it worth from a more reliable source than Tasos.

 

  User Deleted
10/26/12 6:56:04 AM#22
Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Few weeks left till DF UW.

So far some pictures, a short gameplay vid and no beta.

Is it they don't  want to scare peeps off by releasing more in game footage ?
 
The idea is simple, they better hide the state of DF UW till many pay for it ...profit.

I wouldn't buy / resub till people who played it give reviews / post videos.

 

Silly. The game isn't ready.  I've seen this gamer bait and switch before: 

GAMER: OMG U taking too long, open the beta nao!

DEV: Ok, here's the game - keep in mind it's in beta so it's not complete yet.

GAMER: OMG DIS GAME SO BUGGY, IT SUX. I TOLD U DFUW WOULD FAIL.

  User Deleted
10/26/12 6:59:17 AM#23
Originally posted by tom_gore
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by tom_gore

 

 

So it will have a new horrible UI and a lot of changes that they could have done in the original game, yet they chose to launch a completely new title?

I see you have bought 100% into what AV is telling you. Me... well I've learned the hard way and am waiting until the game is out and I can see what's it worth from a more reliable source than Tasos.

 

So you are going to "wait to see" if anything has changed because you have no idea. But in the mean time you are going to slag everything off, from a position of having no idea.

 

Cool.

  tom_gore

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10/26/12 7:03:14 AM#24
Originally posted by bunnyhopper

 

So it will have a new horrible UI and a lot of changes that they could have done in the original game, yet they chose to launch a completely new title?

I see you have bought 100% into what AV is telling you. Me... well I've learned the hard way and am waiting until the game is out and I can see what's it worth from a more reliable source than Tasos.

 

So you are going to "wait to see" if anything has changed because you have no idea. But in the mean time you are going to slag everything off, from a position of having no idea.

 

Cool.

You can try this approach yourself.

Place an opened milk bottle in the fridge so it falls off when the door is opened. Close the door, wait for your gf/spouse/wife to open it and watch the drama to unfold.

Do it again the next day and the day after that. Eventually your gf/spouse/wife will learn that if she opens the fridge casually she's going to get the milk bottle fall over on her and open the door more carefully.

 

I've opened this fridge enough times to learn to be cautious.

 

  Onigod

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Posts: 692

10/26/12 7:06:19 AM#25

Knowing AV expect everything to be out in the open a couple of days before launch.

If you are waiting for revieuws you wont be playing this game. Darkfall is a different game for a different crowd then any other mmorpg on this website.  Knowing this forum there will be horrible revieuws about the game because someone lost their gear and starts to be mad and feel like bashing the game to the ground.  These *rather stupid* players had no idea what game they were buying.

 

  Yamota

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10/26/12 7:12:23 AM#26
Originally posted by bunnyhopper
Originally posted by tom_gore
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by tom_gore

 

 

So it will have a new horrible UI and a lot of changes that they could have done in the original game, yet they chose to launch a completely new title?

I see you have bought 100% into what AV is telling you. Me... well I've learned the hard way and am waiting until the game is out and I can see what's it worth from a more reliable source than Tasos.

 

So you are going to "wait to see" if anything has changed because you have no idea. But in the mean time you are going to slag everything off, from a position of having no idea.

 

Cool.

Yes, based on Aventurine's past where DF was promised to have all kinds of features yet it went to launch, with a sliver of those features, and full of bugs, ugly UI and both ugly and poor performing GFX.

So it is just common sense that anything else they do after that be met with a healthy degree of scepticism and for me that means they need to show me actual game play footage before I believe anything they say.

  User Deleted
10/26/12 7:13:46 AM#27
Originally posted by tom_gore
Originally posted by bunnyhopper

 


 

You can try this approach yourself.

Place an opened milk bottle in the fridge so it falls off when the door is opened. Close the door, wait for your gf/spouse/wife to open it and watch the drama to unfold.

Do it again the next day and the day after that. Eventually your gf/spouse/wife will learn that if she opens the fridge casually she's going to get the milk bottle fall over on her and open the door more carefully.

 

I've opened this fridge enough times to learn to be cautious.

 

There is rather a large difference between being cautious and just slagging off systems when you have no idea as to how they will turn out.

 

I loved DF for all it's flaws and I am stoked about Unholy Wars, but until it is there in front of me and holds up to actual play time then I will approach it with caution.

  User Deleted
10/26/12 7:14:49 AM#28
Originally posted by Roxtarr 

Silly. The game isn't ready.  I've seen this gamer bait and switch before: 

GAMER: OMG U taking too long, open the beta nao!

DEV: Ok, here's the game - keep in mind it's in beta so it's not complete yet.

GAMER: OMG DIS GAME SO BUGGY, IT SUX. I TOLD U DFUW WOULD FAIL.

Thats becouse devs rarely ever change anything from open beta to live, I dont know anything about darkfall and they might be a special snow flake in this case. But 99% of the open betas i have been in is the same game at release. They might fix bugs that 1% of the population experience while keeping the bugs that 40% population experience.(made up numbers but not to far from the truth)

  User Deleted
10/26/12 7:17:25 AM#29
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by bunnyhopper
Originally posted by tom_gore
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by tom_gore

 

 


 

So you are going to "wait to see" if anything has changed because you have no idea. But in the mean time you are going to slag everything off, from a position of having no idea.

 

Cool.

Yes, based on Aventurine's past where DF was promised to have all kinds of features yet it went to launch, with a sliver of those features, and full of bugs, ugly UI and both ugly and poor performing GFX.

So it is just common sense that anything else they do after that be met with a healthy degree of scepticism and for me that means they need to show me actual game play footage before I believe anything they say.

Again there is a difference between skepticism/caution, and slagging off systems as though you already know how they are going to turn out.

 

GFX are subjective btw, I happen to think the game world looked pretty good considering the scale and open nature of it. I certainly don't recall any better looking massive, seemless, open game worlds in mmos.

  Onigod

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Posts: 692

10/26/12 7:17:59 AM#30
Well.. today is friday and friday is the day Aventurine mostly makes a post, shows what they got.
  Lahuzer

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10/26/12 7:30:23 AM#31
The biggest warning sign for me, is that they only have their own "inhouse beta"-test. I reckon they wanna make some easy bucks from the get go to have peeps jump in and test what prolly will be a bugged rid mess. But I´m prolly gonna be one of those suckers to. :P
  Caldrin

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10/26/12 8:03:11 AM#32
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by kaiser3282
 

Screenshots/vids or it didnt happen. The one's I have seen shows no UI and only marginally better looking gfx/animations.

Well this video shows one of the new roles, the new graphics and a bit of the new interface.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG40NPkI4rA

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  Ice-Queen

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10/26/12 8:10:00 AM#33
Originally posted by Caldrin
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by kaiser3282
 

Screenshots/vids or it didnt happen. The one's I have seen shows no UI and only marginally better looking gfx/animations.

Well this video shows one of the new roles, the new graphics and a bit of the new interface.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG40NPkI4rA

Doesn't show all the roles just a warrior running around a bit.

What happens when you log off your characters????.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFQhfhnjYMk
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  Caldrin

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10/26/12 8:56:44 AM#34

thats why i said it shows one of the roles.. but only 2 skills in the role.

Will probally get another video today with a few more of the skills..

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  Greymoor

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10/26/12 10:19:31 AM#35

They can't afford to build too much hype.

Looking at the past, they got absolutely flamed and a ton of bad reviews for the staggered launch resulting in some people not being able to play for upto a month maybe more. It really hurt their reputation.

Now this time around 150,000 people will already have the game, they can jump in for the price of the sub.

Many more people will be wanting to buy and play the game simply because it offers what no other game can.

Two severs 15k concurrent players. That's 30k players on the max online at one time. They simply can't support the massive load of players that comes with high exposure.

  DarthRaiden

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OP  10/26/12 4:27:43 PM#36

Guess the first sentence in todays blog update ....

 

"As we count down towards Darkfall Unholy Wars, we would like to suggest that you get your accounts in order and to ask you to please update your account information."

 

Sure AV you want my money, but could you please tell me what i get for  it?  what about a public beta ?  helps you stress test you servers at that...why you dont want me to know what i should subscribe to ?

 

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  Hancakes

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10/26/12 6:05:21 PM#37
Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Guess the first sentence in todays blog update ....

 

"As we count down towards Darkfall Unholy Wars, we would like to suggest that you get your accounts in order and to ask you to please update your account information."

 

Sure AV you want my money, but could you please tell me what i get for  it?  what about a public beta ?  helps you stress test you servers at that...why you dont want me to know what i should subscribe to ?

 

What a drama queen.     If the $10-15 subscription fee is too step, you can always wait until the reviews are out.  No one is forcing you to purchase DF-UW sight on seen.

  Flute

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10/26/12 6:58:35 PM#38

It seems AV is hiding DF UW so much because it's rapidly turning into a WoW clone, and a lot of Darkfall 1.0 players are clearly bitterly unhappy about the changes.

 

When people who loved Darkfall 1.0 are thinking $10-$15 might be more than it's worth to pay for the game, warning bells should be going off over in Aventurine.  As one player put it, "we didn't ask for archers to s**t arrows out of our a**" and "So the fix to mages being overpowered was just to give everyone mage-like abilities?" - alas, it does indeed seem to be so.

 

There is nothing wrong with playing Mage Wars, but of course there are plenty of quality mage vs mage games out there already.  The more players see of Darkfall, the less they seem to be liking the new game - and that is a very very big problem for Aventurine.

  Hancakes

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10/26/12 9:35:44 PM#39
Originally posted by Flute

It seems AV is hiding DF UW so much because it's rapidly turning into a WoW clone, and a lot of Darkfall 1.0 players are clearly bitterly unhappy about the changes.

 

There is nothing wrong with playing Mage Wars, but of course there are plenty of quality mage vs mage games out there already.  The more players see of Darkfall, the less they seem to be liking the new game - and that is a very very big problem for Aventurine.

I could give a sh$t about the remaining DF1 players, many more of us left DF1 for various reasons by 2010.   DF-UW will have no shortage of players, regardless of the few thousand that were clinging to DF1.   150,000 vs what 4-5000?

Care to list one full loot mage vs mage game?

Secondly, theres entirley too much speculation on 2X 1 minute videos.

  kaiser3282

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10/27/12 12:39:37 AM#40
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Flute

It seems AV is hiding DF UW so much because it's rapidly turning into a WoW clone, and I am clearly bitterly unhappy about the changes.

 

There is nothing wrong with playing Mage Wars, but of course there are plenty of quality mage vs mage games out there already.  The more I see of Darkfall, the less I seem to be liking the new game - and that is a very very big problem for Aventurine.

I could give a sh$t about the remaining DF1 players, many more of us left DF1 for various reasons by 2010.   DF-UW will have no shortage of players, regardless of the few thousand that were clinging to DF1.   150,000 vs what 4-5000?

Care to list one full loot mage vs mage game?

Secondly, theres entirley too much speculation on 2X 1 minute videos.

Dont worry. I fixed his post for him. See the red.

Fortunately he doesnt speak for any sort of majority of current or past players of DF.

I agree the speculation is pretty ridiculous considering we have seen 2 of 16 roles available. People like Flute are acting as if Deadeye (just 1 of 4 skirmisher roles) is the only change happening and try to compare it to what exists in DF1, not what exists in UW (because they have no knowledge of what exists yet). Its basically just complaining for the sake of complaining without any sort of real facts to base their comparisons on for what will actually exist.

I just think its amusing, as I posted in another thread, that people are complaining about changes to "archers". It sounds as if they want an archer role, but who just has nothing but a normal bow shot. No actual skills with varying effects and capabilities. Just pewpewpew people in the face with plain old standard arrow shots instead of an actual bow specialized class with its own unique abilities.

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