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  Vardahoth

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10/25/12 7:18:01 PM#41
Originally posted by Eazydzzz

Give up.  Seriously.  Playing Anarchy Online, Asheron's Call, hell even PSO.  That's all done.

Remember when PC games made you think.  Like really think?

PC games were for the smart people, sans diablo and warcraft of course.

Deep, mentally engaging games that only a few understood.

Remember being a nerd was actually an insult?  It didn't just mean you were some tight pants, hard rimed glasses wearing poser?

Being a "nerd" was not a trendy term, it was what you got called by the jocks as a serious insult.  YOu could be a pussy and take it for what it was, or wear it as a badge of honor and find ingenious ways to  have sex with their sisters/mothers/girlfriends.

Remember when you played an mmo in 1999 and thought "man I wonder what these games will be like in 10 years"?

Did you picture pandas?  Did you picture a mindless pvp zerg gw2 grind?  Did you picture psuedo pedophlia mixed with wanna-be action combat a la tera?

The Secret World is the only game that comes even remotely close to dreams.  But it sells nothing.  It's not even worth.

When you watched star trek and imagined it as a virtual world, did you you picture STO??

The first time you saw an original star wars movie, could you picture SWTOR?

SWTOR is a destruction of dreams.

 

But then I saw the video of the dude who made wing commander games wanting to make a new game.  His vision is the vision.  His vision of pc gaming in 2012 is accurate.  What he wants to do is what should be done.  It's what we should fork over our hard earned cash for.  A sophisticated experience. 

Not this gear grinding repetative garbage.  Made for complete fucking morons.

 

I find it sad that when I sit down for video game time, and I maybe have an hour to play, that I end up playing a game that was released in 1994 over the plethora of modern games I have at my disposal.

The fact that an "old school" game can be more mentally stimulating than a new game is sad.

 

 

You are not alone in this my friend. My first was ragnarok online. I was an unspoiled kid who didn't have a cc to play everquest with. RO was free for the 1st 6 months I played. By the time it became pay to play, I started a job and was able to afford it (realizing the game was amazing enough to put $15 a month into).

 

As of now, I really can't find a game I enjoy. I never enjoyed WoW due to it's "everybody wins a trophy" gameplay. I can honestly say the last good mmorpg I have played was Lineage 2 (2003 - 2006). It slowly started to follow the WoW model and I got turned off (including all the people I played with).

 

If you liked rpg games back in the day before mmo's existed like I did, I just found out they remade ffiv and ffx for the nintendo ds. So I'm playing those atm. I'm almost done with ffiv and I gotta say they did a good job. Even the voice acting is good. It also seems like they made the monsters a little harder to beat in the game. It's not like the later ff series after 7 where the stories and game mechanics are $@!% (old joke for them bleeping curse words out of snes games).

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  StanlyStanko

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Joined: 10/28/11
Posts: 273

10/25/12 10:33:42 PM#42
Originally posted by Kyleran

They just don't build MMORPG's like they used to.....  and they probably never will again.

 

  OgreRaper

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Joined: 6/20/11
Posts: 381

10/25/12 10:36:18 PM#43
I'm kinda in the same boat. Can't stand the direction MMO's have taken lately. I don't even play them anymore. Hoping one of the upcoming games (WildStar, EQ:N, TESO) can renew my interest in the genre of games I once loved.
  snapfusion

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Joined: 7/17/11
Posts: 976

10/25/12 10:47:14 PM#44
You get my vote for post of the year.
  snapfusion

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10/25/12 10:57:34 PM#45
Originally posted by ENTR0PY
Originally posted by XAPGames
Originally posted by Eazydzzz
Remember when you played an mmo in 1999 and thought "man I wonder what these games will be like in 10 years"?
 

 

Was playing Half-Life and Vanilla Unreal in 1999.

Wondered what games will be like in 10 years?  Yep.  Can't say I'm impressed.

 

Graphics have jumped.  Gameplay... not so much.

People like you who live in the past please have no idea. The games today are improved if not better than the old games. Nostalgia makes everything you used to play seem better, but it's the opposite.

They actually have a better perspectve then someone I assume like you that has only experienced newer games.  You cant start playing games today then try to go back and play older games and expect to understand what the OP is talking about.  Let me see if I can explain.  Playing a game 13 years ago the graphics then would appear just as spectacular as say GW2 looks to you now.  The feeling of graphical immersion is IDENTICAL because nothing else better graphically existed at that point in time.  But on top of that you have depth of play that simply does not exist in todays game.  I hope that makes sense to you.

So what you call living in the past is what more perceptive people call knowledge and experience.

  OgreRaper

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10/25/12 11:01:12 PM#46
Originally posted by snapfusion
Originally posted by ENTR0PY
Originally posted by XAPGames
Originally posted by Eazydzzz
Remember when you played an mmo in 1999 and thought "man I wonder what these games will be like in 10 years"?
 

 

Was playing Half-Life and Vanilla Unreal in 1999.

Wondered what games will be like in 10 years?  Yep.  Can't say I'm impressed.

 

Graphics have jumped.  Gameplay... not so much.

People like you who live in the past please have no idea. The games today are improved if not better than the old games. Nostalgia makes everything you used to play seem better, but it's the opposite.

They actually have a better perspectve then someone I assume like you that has only experienced newer games.  You cant start playing games today then try to go back and play older games and expect to understand what the OP is talking about.  Let me see if I can explain.  Playing a game 13 years ago the graphics then would appear just as spectacular as say GW2 looks to you now.  The feeling of graphical immersion is IDENTICAL because nothing else better graphically existed at that point in time.  But on top of that you have depth of play that simply does not exist in todays game.  I hope that makes sense to you.

So what you call living in the past is what more perseptive people call knowledge and experience.

 

^

Very good post.

  DavisFlight

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Joined: 9/25/12
Posts: 2594

10/25/12 11:38:20 PM#47
You might want to check out Project Gorgon. It's an indie MMO being developed by Asheron's Call veteran developers. There's a few puzzles in the tutorial and it doesn't even help you with them. It was so refreshing.
  Teala

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Joined: 6/16/04
Posts: 7437

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10/25/12 11:46:39 PM#48
Still playing just two games.  Mount and Blade:Warband(have a campaign I have been running for a year now ^_^  ), and Skyrim.   Just got the Hearthfire DLC so I am happy with that.    Don't care for the MMO's that have came out since WoW.  I tried Vanguard when it first came out and played it for a year hoping SOE wouldn't neglect it after they bought it...but they did.   So I gave up on it.   Played EVE on an off - and am still pissed about no real WiS - CCP constantly plays their stupid "dangle the carrot" BS with WiS and I refuse to play any longer.   I stopped playing WoW because Blizzard insist on dumbing it down with each X-pac.  So that leaves me with games that I consider two of the best I have ever played.   M&B and Skyrim.   Can't complain.    These two games alone have given me hundreds of hours of awesome gaming.  

  tank017

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Joined: 7/09/06
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10/25/12 11:55:07 PM#49
Originally posted by Teala
Still playing just two games.  Mount and Blade:Warband(have a campaign I have been running for a year now ^_^  ), and Skyrim.   Just got the Hearthfire DLC so I am happy with that.    Don't care for the MMO's that have came out since WoW.  I tried Vanguard when it first came out and played it for a year hoping SOE wouldn't neglect it after they bought it...but they did.   So I gave up on it.   Played EVE on an off - and am still pissed about no real WiS - CCP constantly plays their stupid "dangle the carrot" BS with WiS and I refuse to play any longer.   I stopped playing WoW because Blizzard insist on dumbing it down with each X-pac.  So that leaves me with games that I consider two of the best I have ever played.   M&B and Skyrim.   Can't complain.    These two games alone have given me hundreds of hours of awesome gaming.  

I read ya..

I will probably be picking Fallout 3 up again in place of GW2,as I can feel it running out of gas.To think,I havent even touched Skyrim yet, and Fallout 3 seems like its lasting forever...and im enjoying every minute of it.

 

Though I will say Im still playing VG and enjoying that as well.

  strangiato2112

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Joined: 9/21/12
Posts: 1566

10/25/12 11:58:39 PM#50
Originally posted by Teala
 I tried Vanguard when it first came out and played it for a year hoping SOE wouldn't neglect it after they bought it...but they did.   

The players neglected Vanguard long before SoE did.  SoE ran the game at a loss for over a year after acquiring VG and made strides to fix the game up, but people didnt come back like they said they would.  Its not that they didnt try.  You could say they werent fast enough with the updates, but you can't say they didnt try.  But there comes a time where you have to cut your losses.  Vanguard was a lost cause, and Im curious why they even bothered with the f2p.

  DavisFlight

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10/26/12 12:28:04 PM#51
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Teala
 I tried Vanguard when it first came out and played it for a year hoping SOE wouldn't neglect it after they bought it...but they did.   

The players neglected Vanguard long before SoE did.  SoE ran the game at a loss for over a year after acquiring VG and made strides to fix the game up, but people didnt come back like they said they would.  Its not that they didnt try.  You could say they werent fast enough with the updates, but you can't say they didnt try.  But there comes a time where you have to cut your losses.  Vanguard was a lost cause, and Im curious why they even bothered with the f2p.

Because its still one of the best MMOs on the market? 

And they ran the game at a loss and did a piss poor job with fixes. People left because of performance, not gameplay. Yet SoE spent that year cutting features and WoWifying everything as best they could, and putting their resources into a trial island. 

  fenistil

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Joined: 9/22/11
Posts: 3016

10/27/12 2:16:43 PM#52

Only possible save for Vanguard was closing it shortly after fail release, working on it for at least a year to iron out bugs, horrible performance and huge exploit possibilites and then restarting fresh.  

 

 

  Toxia

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Joined: 7/25/09
Posts: 1326

10/27/12 11:53:12 PM#53
Originally posted by Eazydzzz

Give up.  Seriously.  Playing Anarchy Online, Asheron's Call, hell even PSO.  That's all done.

Remember when PC games made you think.  Like really think?

PC games were for the smart people, sans diablo and warcraft of course.

Deep, mentally engaging games that only a few understood.

Remember being a nerd was actually an insult?  It didn't just mean you were some tight pants, hard rimed glasses wearing poser?

Being a "nerd" was not a trendy term, it was what you got called by the jocks as a serious insult.  YOu could be a pussy and take it for what it was, or wear it as a badge of honor and find ingenious ways to  have sex with their sisters/mothers/girlfriends.

Remember when you played an mmo in 1999 and thought "man I wonder what these games will be like in 10 years"?

Did you picture pandas?  Did you picture a mindless pvp zerg gw2 grind?  Did you picture psuedo pedophlia mixed with wanna-be action combat a la tera?

The Secret World is the only game that comes even remotely close to dreams.  But it sells nothing.  It's not even worth.

When you watched star trek and imagined it as a virtual world, did you you picture STO??

The first time you saw an original star wars movie, could you picture SWTOR?

SWTOR is a destruction of dreams.

 

But then I saw the video of the dude who made wing commander games wanting to make a new game.  His vision is the vision.  His vision of pc gaming in 2012 is accurate.  What he wants to do is what should be done.  It's what we should fork over our hard earned cash for.  A sophisticated experience. 

Not this gear grinding repetative garbage.  Made for complete fucking morons.

 

I find it sad that when I sit down for video game time, and I maybe have an hour to play, that I end up playing a game that was released in 1994 over the plethora of modern games I have at my disposal.

The fact that an "old school" game can be more mentally stimulating than a new game is sad.

 

 

Seems to get that what you expect from a game is hardly ever(in his case never) what you get.

 

Proceeds to be hyped anyway.

Trainwreck in future. Calling it!

 

The Deep Web is sca-ry.

  wordiz

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10/28/12 12:02:26 AM#54
This OP is the truth! If I could go back in time and show 12 year old me where MMO's were headed I would have never quit playing EQ. All the money I have wasted in just the last two year alone...smh. We have the tech to make worlds bigger than we can even imagine, but that space that could be used to make a game massive is instead used for pretty graphics. I'd take gameplay over eye candy any day, which is why us old school gamers find ourselves going back to the classics. I've put more hours into Skyrim or New Vegas than I've put into the last 3 mmo's i've played combined probably, capped out, full gear and all. It's just sad really.

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  Zekiah

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10/28/12 12:17:48 AM#55
Originally posted by Eazydzzz

Remember when you played an mmo in 1999 and thought "man I wonder what these games will be like in 10 years"? 

Yep, I remember thinking that during my UO days. But the future became fail, full of disappoint. We should be miles from where we are now. It's really sad.

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  rastapastor

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10/28/12 12:35:41 AM#56

I've played games back then, i play games now and i don't find old games any harder than now...

 

I really don't understand this "ooo im an old school player and im mega pro, You, nowdays gamers, all suck!", it's bullshit. Games weren't harder 10-20 years ago, it's just nostalgia, u miss those old days, cuz u were young or u met some ppl (ye, gamers community sucks nowdays. U meet "old school" idiots who thinks they ate all brains and who have delusions that they are the most skilled players of all, or You meet nowdays trolls, who destroys enjoyment by their behaviour and i can agree here) or for whatever reason. 

 

I've been playing games for over 20 years.

  Bossalinie

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10/28/12 12:41:41 AM#57
Originally posted by rastapastor

I've played games back then, i play games now and i don't find old games any harder than now...

 

I really don't understand this "ooo im an old school player and im mega pro, You, nowdays gamers, all suck!", it's bullshit. Games weren't harder 10-20 years ago, it's just nostalgia, u miss those old days, cuz u were young or u met some ppl (ye, gamers community sucks nowdays. U meet "old school" idiots who thinks they ate all brains and who have delusions that they are the most skilled players of all, or You meet nowdays trolls, who destroys enjoyment by their behaviour and i can agree here) or for whatever reason. 

 

I've been playing games for over 20 years.

+20 year gamer here and I agree with this. Just like everything else in this world, you'll have your "Get off my lawn" individuals. Don't let your video game phd turn you into that guy...

  SabbathSMC

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10/28/12 12:48:02 AM#58

Our games have been dumbed down just like our education system.

seriously here is a 8th grade exam in 1895 can you even score a 50 on it?

 

         
What it took to get an 8th grade education in 1895...

Remember when grandparents and great-grandparents stated that they only had an 8th grade education? Well, check this out. Could any of us have passed the 8th grade in 1895?

This is the eighth-grade final exam from 1895 in Salina, Kansas, USA. It was taken from the original document on file at the Smokey Valley Genealogical Society and Library in Salina, and reprinted by the Salina Journal.


8th Grade Final Exam: Salina , KS - 1895

Grammar (Time, one hour)
1. Give nine rules for the use of capital letters.
2. Name the parts of speech and define those that have no modifications.
3. Define verse, stanza and paragraph
4. What are the principal parts of a verb? Give principal parts of 'lie,' 'play,' and 'run.'
5. Define case; illustrate each case.
6 What is punctuation? Give rules for principal marks of punctuation.
7 - 10. Write a composition of about 150 words and show therein that you understand the practical use of the rules of grammar.


Arithmetic (Time,1 hour 15 minutes)
1. Name and define the Fundamental Rules of Arithmetic.
2. A wagon box is 2 ft. Deep, 10 feet long, and 3 ft. Wide. How many bushels of wheat will it hold?
3. If a load of wheat weighs 3,942 lbs., what is it worth at 50cts/bushel, deducting 1,050 lbs? For tare?
4. District No 33 has a valuation of $35,000... What is the necessary levy to carry on a school seven months at $50 per month, and have $104 for incidentals?
5. Find the cost of 6,720 lbs. Coal at $6.00 per ton.
6. Find the interest of $512.60 for 8 months and 18 days at 7 percent.
7. What is the cost of 40 boards 12 inches wide and 16 ft...? Long at $20 per metre?
8. Find bank discount on $300 for 90 days (no grace) at 10 percent.
9. What is the cost of a square farm at $15 per acre, the distance of which is 640 rods?
10. Write a Bank Check, a Promissory Note, and a Receipt


U.S. History (Time, 45 minutes)
1. Give the epochs into which U.S. History is divided
2. Give an account of the discovery of America by Columbus
3. Relate the causes and results of the Revolutionary War.
4. Show the territorial growth of the United States
5. Tell what you can of the history of Kansas
6. Describe three of the most prominent battles of the Rebellion.
7. Who were the following: Morse, Whitney, Fulton, Bell, Lincoln, Penn, and Howe?
8. Name events connected with the following dates: 1607, 1620, 1800, 1849, and 1865.


Orthography (Time, one hour)
[Do we even know what this is??]
1. What is meant by the following: alphabet, phonetic, orthography, etymology, syllabication
2. What are elementary sounds? How classified?
3. What are the following, and give examples of each: trigraph, subvocals, diphthong, cognate letters, linguals
4. Give four substitutes for caret 'u.' (HUH?)
5. Give two rules for spelling words with final 'e.' Name two exceptions under each rule.
6. Give two uses of silent letters in spelling. Illustrate each.

7. Define the following prefixes and use in connection with a word: bi, dis-mis, pre, semi, post, non, inter, mono, sup.
8. Mark diacritically and divide into syllables the following, and name the sign that indicates the sound: card, ball, mercy, sir, odd, cell, rise, blood, fare, last.
9. Use the following correctly in sentences: cite, site, sight, fane, fain, feign, vane, vain, vein, raze, raise, rays.
10. Write 10 words frequently mispronounced and indicate pronunciation by use of diacritical marks
and by syllabication.



Geography (Time, one hour)
1 What is climate? Upon what does climate depend?
2. How do you account for the extremes of climate in Kansas?
3. Of what use are rivers? Of what use is the ocean?
4. Describe the mountains of North America
5. Name and describe the following: Monrovia, Odessa, Denver, Manitoba, Hecla, Yukon, St. Helena, Juan Fernandez, Aspinwall and Orinoco
6. Name and locate the principal trade centers of the U.S. Name all the republics of Europe and give the capital of each...
8. Why is
the Atlantic Coast colder than the Pacific in the same latitude?
9. Describe the process by which the water of the ocean returns to the sources of rivers.
10. Describe the movements of the earth. Give the inclination of the earth.


Notice that the exam took FIVE HOURS to complete.

Gives the saying 'he only had an 8th grade education' a whole new meaning, doesn't it?!
 

No wonder they dropped out after 8th grade. They already knew more than they needed to know!

No, I don't have the answers! And I don't think I ever did!


Have fun with this...pass it on so we'renot the only ones who feel stupid!!!

 

played M59,UO,lineage,EQ,Daoc,Entropia,SWG,Horizons,Lineage2.EQ2,Vangaurd,Irth online, DarkFall,Star Trek
and many others that did not make the cut or i just plain forgetting about.

  kb056

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10/28/12 12:55:58 AM#59
Name them.
  Helleri

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“If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.”- Henry Ford

10/28/12 3:21:28 PM#60
Originally posted by Eazydzzz

Give up.  Seriously.  Playing Anarchy Online, Asheron's Call, hell even PSO.  That's all done.

Remember when PC games made you think.  Like really think?

PC games were for the smart people, sans diablo and warcraft of course.

Deep, mentally engaging games that only a few understood.

Remember being a nerd was actually an insult?  It didn't just mean you were some tight pants, hard rimed glasses wearing poser?

Being a "nerd" was not a trendy term, it was what you got called by the jocks as a serious insult.  YOu could be a pussy and take it for what it was, or wear it as a badge of honor and find ingenious ways to  have sex with their sisters/mothers/girlfriends.

Remember when you played an mmo in 1999 and thought "man I wonder what these games will be like in 10 years"?

Did you picture pandas?  Did you picture a mindless pvp zerg gw2 grind?  Did you picture psuedo pedophlia mixed with wanna-be action combat a la tera?

The Secret World is the only game that comes even remotely close to dreams.  But it sells nothing.  It's not even worth.

When you watched star trek and imagined it as a virtual world, did you you picture STO??

The first time you saw an original star wars movie, could you picture SWTOR?

SWTOR is a destruction of dreams.

 

But then I saw the video of the dude who made wing commander games wanting to make a new game.  His vision is the vision.  His vision of pc gaming in 2012 is accurate.  What he wants to do is what should be done.  It's what we should fork over our hard earned cash for.  A sophisticated experience. 

Not this gear grinding repetative garbage.  Made for complete fucking morons.

 

I find it sad that when I sit down for video game time, and I maybe have an hour to play, that I end up playing a game that was released in 1994 over the plethora of modern games I have at my disposal.

The fact that an "old school" game can be more mentally stimulating than a new game is sad.

 

 Games like the old ones (some of which are actually still running) such as ultima online or neverwinter nights, that have persisted through the years and upgraded as they went significantly don'rt exist anymore, IMO. They are all WoW-escs pretty much. There is one acception i think...

Runescape. People have learned to hate the very word for no truly good or valid reasons. 

But I will say if you want a game that requires patience, intelligence, strategy, timing, learning etc. to make it by...Runescape is the only game I can think of that requires all of that and more.

Let me give you  summary of a runescape quest which was recently released and you can do the moment you make a new account:

In drynor village you meet Ozan (runescapes signiture hero/mascot for rangers), he is concerned about a new gang of theives, but more importantly that an old friend (a guard from the desert city where ozan was exiled from after a frame up which you learn in the story line) is involved with them.

Ozan wants you to pose as a prospective new memeber of the gang. In short this leads to cautiously following the man to HQ for the gang, interogating him, and finding out that a prince has been kidnapped.

To reascue him you must travel with Ozan to Al Kahrid. Navigate desert city roof tops as if it were out of the alladin movies. Face of intellectually against a master spy, Steal the prize of a city through some serously mission impossible tactics, then use it to activate ancient devices, shortly before you loose it to giant dung beetles and have to recover it *shudders* only to face off against a desert godess who isn't playing with anything close to a full deck of cards (and the whole time this dang heart of al kahrid apears to be alive and is possesing people to state it's protest to your interference).

...and did I mention if you don't have plenty of water/light clothing/a way to refill water (such as cutting catus tops with a knife) you can die out there? or the flying carpets? And the complete rebuild of al kahrid that was released with the quest series? The full voice acting and cinematics?

This is a first half remake of the old prince ali rescue quest (the old quest is subsiquently being removed from the game).

I chalenge you to sign-up and do this quest and tell me Runescape doesn't know how to make a real MMO ; )

 

 

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