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  JeroKane

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10/25/12 4:28:19 PM#21
Originally posted by FrodoFragins

They stopped bragging about their F2P numbers a long time ago.

 

It's sad that people are losing their jobs, but LOTRO has been going down this path for a long time.  I think Turbine, and now WB, totally mismanage this product.  But WB isn't one for taking risks so it's to be expected.

Mismanagement is a severe understatement!

They have been pissing on their loyal fanbase / VIP subscribers for too long now. To the point why I even wonder why they still bother with the whole VIP sub system.

Especially if you have been around since launch and bought every expac, there is now ZERO reason to stay VIP and pay 13 bucks a month!

500 TP a month? You can get 6300 TP for 60 bucks lol. That's a fraction of what you would pay to stay VIP a whole year!

All Epic book content and (new) features are available to free players! So you basically only pay for questpacks!

That's why the last two expansions have been such a farce and ridiculously overpriced!

50 bucks for the standard bundle to unlock Rohan quests lol! Just lol!  And the instance cluster we still know nothing about! Not to mention that they first even tried to have us pay for that ON TOP of the expansion this time! /Facepalm

 

Just like the EA take over was the end of Bioware, so has been the take over by WB the end for Turbine. /sigh

These lay offs are just the beginning and they make no mention yet as to how many people have been laid off.

It's obvious that both the DDO and LOTRO teams have been axed heavily! Which is gonna effect both these game's future! As both DDO's first and last expansion as LOTRO last expansion didn't meet sales expectations.

WB is just gonna put these games into maintenance mode, milk it a little longer and reshift their entire focus to the Console market! As it's a more lucrative market at the moment.

The recent hirings pretty much confirm this new direction.

  Po_gg

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10/25/12 4:29:39 PM#22

I really like LotRO, so it's a sad news, and I wish good luck to the people involved in the layoff.

I'm also sad because as much as I love LotRO, I have to admit this line of starwarsnut

Originally posted by starwarsnut

Exploits turbine has repeatedly tryed to cover them up and when they do admit it they dont ban the people doing it even for a day lol.

is true... :I  They simply overlook exploits, without any reaction, which never is a good sign. (What can you expect from a company which does nothing against exploiters?)

  User Deleted
10/25/12 4:31:09 PM#23
I haven't paid attention to the expac sales either but them raising the prices of the expac and keeping the horribly outdated Freemium model designed for one sole purpose, to force people to subscribe, didn't help matters I'm sure. The game needed an overhaul and increasing the price of the expacs while denying people who pre-ordered (initially) access to the dungeons and then trying to change that with a sneak update to the website prolly didn't help matters either. The freemium thing i think won't allow most companies to last long in this economic climate because people simply can't sustain a monthly sub for a game like they could in the past.
  Vesavius

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10/25/12 4:32:23 PM#24
Originally posted by Cecropia
Looks like F2P conversions are time buyers and not the sweet saviour that many folks had dreamed. Ah well, it will be intriguing to see how everything unfolds.

 

 

Yeah, seems that's the case.

  xalvi

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10/25/12 4:34:19 PM#25
Originally posted by asmkm22
Also, I really hope Sapience was one of the employees to get canned.

 

GOD DAMNIT!

Clover got fired, but i sapiance stays? Then again, turbine likes to dig its grave again and again. Playerbase says one thing but turbine does another, good job.

 

p.s - who knows maybe sapiance was one of those who got fired, pray for this peeps.

  JeroKane

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10/25/12 4:40:45 PM#26
Originally posted by xalvi
Originally posted by asmkm22
Also, I really hope Sapience was one of the employees to get canned.

 

GOD DAMNIT!

Clover got fired, but i sapiance stays? Then again, turbine likes to dig its grave again and again. Playerbase says one thing but turbine does another, good job.

 

p.s - who knows maybe sapiance was one of those who got fired, pray for this peeps.

His last post was yesterday. So who knows.

  FrodoFragins

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10/25/12 4:47:58 PM#27
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by xalvi
Originally posted by asmkm22
Also, I really hope Sapience was one of the employees to get canned.

 

GOD DAMNIT!

Clover got fired, but i sapiance stays? Then again, turbine likes to dig its grave again and again. Playerbase says one thing but turbine does another, good job.

 

p.s - who knows maybe sapiance was one of those who got fired, pray for this peeps.

His last post was yesterday. So who knows.

It shows how bad a community manager is when everyone is talking about how he should be the one fired.

  Ryukan

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10/25/12 4:54:52 PM#28

I played for years, but quit hard right after Isengard, which felt rushed and overpriced.

I have been hoping for a look at Rohan for years and wishing for some kind of mount system that made mounts more than just a speed boost with a horse skin. After playing the Rohan beta I was not as impressed as I hoped. The $40 price tag is a big turnoff.

Sorry to hear about more gamer employees getting the boot.

  Greymantle4

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10/25/12 4:57:56 PM#29
I hope if we ever get another MMO based on LOTR its a sandbox with a crafted economy. All I can say about LOTRO is what a waste of time and money. :(
  User Deleted
10/25/12 5:00:46 PM#30

The whole MMO industry is feeling the squeeze, this is not just turbine, but everyone, even WOW is on the downtrend.

 

  User Deleted
10/25/12 5:10:46 PM#31
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Cecropia
Looks like F2P conversions are time buyers and not the sweet saviour that many folks had dreamed. Ah well, it will be intriguing to see how everything unfolds.

 

 

Yeah, seems that's the case.

 

F2P prolongues a MMO's life, it does not make it immortal although it does lengthen its timespan. It's almost going to be 3 YEARS since LOTRO got its second wind from F2P, that was already a long time ago. 

I would say turbine have gotten their moneys worth. 

  Purutzil

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10/25/12 5:13:07 PM#32

Sadly, they tried for greed to make off as much money from the fans and I think it backfired heavily and likely lost even MORE players and as such even more potential cash. Sucks to because turbine had an actually decent, in some cases good Cash shop system. DDO did a pretty good job with theirs as well as a way to earn the points to buy more without paying which, while not perfect, was a step up from a lot of other games. Now its all seeming as if they are dwindling away the player base by getting more and more greedy. Lotro itself was a relatively poor form for the cash shop to start and only got worst.

Greed really sucks, it makes developers think they can get away with murder and in the end often causes a lot more loss of cash rather then the gain they hope to get. 

  OG_Zorvan

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10/25/12 5:13:29 PM#33
Originally posted by JeroKane

/sigh  It is always very sad to see people losing their jobs!  But they had it coming.

This is what you get when you keep delivering less and less and ask more and more from your customers.

LOTRO:

Rise of Isengard expansion was a farce, nothing but a questpack but charging full expansion price for it. Instance cluster was terrible and not released until december, more than 2 months after the expac release.

Riders of Rohan expansion even more a farce. Just a questpack but charging even more than last year with RoI !  No news yet about Instance Cluster nor what it will bring nor when it will be released.

The biggest joke, was that they first tried to charge EXTRA for the upcoming instance cluster! It took a whole outrage on both LOTRO forums and public forums, before Turbine decided to include the Instance cluster within the expac again and adding TP to the bundles like they did last year with RoI ! /Facepalm

They lost a lot of fans with that stunt alone already! And directly affected the poor sales of this expansion and hence the lay offs!

Mounted combat is hit or miss with most people!  Not to mention the whole lootbox crap with keys from Warbands!

People say a lot about Cryptic and their lootbox lottery in STO!  LOTRO is now full of it as well!

 

Then lets move on to the LOTRO Store, which was suppose to be convenience items that has slowly via stealth additions turned into a FULL Pay 2 Win Store! 

First came the stackable health/mana pots!  Then came all the crap with Monster Play stuff!  Then came the relics and scrolls!

And now the most disgusting addition is that people can buy scrolls to insta max out ENTIRE crafting tiers! Yes you read it right, you can now just throw money at Turbine and insta max out your crafting profession!

So what is next?  Insta leveling scrolls? I wouldn't be suprised.

LOTRO used to be a very good game, but the more and longer Turbine has been under Warner Bros reign, the more nickle and diming the game has become.

I was part of a huge guild with serious die hard Tolkien fans that have been around since launch, but ever since the F2P and the move to more and more Pay 2 Win with the Store.... more and more people in my kinship got fed up with Turbine and quit. Only a tiny fraction of the people remain.

Turbine has become a terrible and greedy company, making both EA and Cryptic look like Saints.

 

I agree with everything you said.

Should also add you can pretty much pinpoint the exact moment Turbine started turning to shit: when they were bought out by Warner Brothers.

 

Originally posted by FrodoFragins
 

It shows how bad a community manager is when everyone is talking about how he should be the one fired.

Sapience has been pretty much worthless from the beginning. Absolutely nothing but a corporate mouthpiece.

EA CEO John Riccitiello's on future microtransactions: "When you are six hours into playing Battlefield and you run out of ammo in your clip, and we ask you for a dollar to reload, you're really not very price sensitive at that point in time...We're not gouging, but we're charging."

  FrodoFragins

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10/25/12 5:26:49 PM#34
Originally posted by Purutzil

Sadly, they tried for greed to make off as much money from the fans and I think it backfired heavily and likely lost even MORE players and as such even more potential cash. Sucks to because turbine had an actually decent, in some cases good Cash shop system. DDO did a pretty good job with theirs as well as a way to earn the points to buy more without paying which, while not perfect, was a step up from a lot of other games. Now its all seeming as if they are dwindling away the player base by getting more and more greedy. Lotro itself was a relatively poor form for the cash shop to start and only got worst.

Greed really sucks, it makes developers think they can get away with murder and in the end often causes a lot more loss of cash rather then the gain they hope to get. 

RoR looked very much like a last ditch cash grab.  Hoepfully that's not the case.  But the prices they were charging seemed to be designed to take advantage of their hardcore players.

 

I haven't paid a dime since they went SoM (I'm a lifer).  Rather than ramp up development and re-invest in the game, they cut back and chose to put out a minimum amount of content.  That is not deserving of my money.

  Gruug

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10/25/12 6:07:38 PM#35
Originally posted by kalrhael
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Cecropia
Looks like F2P conversions are time buyers and not the sweet saviour that many folks had dreamed. Ah well, it will be intriguing to see how everything unfolds.

 

 

Yeah, seems that's the case.

 

F2P prolongues a MMO's life, it does not make it immortal although it does lengthen its timespan. It's almost going to be 3 YEARS since LOTRO got its second wind from F2P, that was already a long time ago. 

I would say turbine have gotten their moneys worth

 

Wait. How can that be. LOTRO (and DDO) are FREE to play. Doesn't that mean that they do not require you to spend ANY REAL MONEY? As the saying goes "you get what you PAY FOR". In this case, Turbine is getting what you DON'T pay for. ;)

F2P is a lie. Those (companies) that live by that lie are bound to die by it. Good ridance.

Let's party like it is 1863!

  Ehliya

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10/25/12 6:11:38 PM#36

Turbine now has scrolls you can buy in the cash store to max out your crafting skills?  I had to look twice and read that again slowly.

Cash-shop whoring some of the most devoted fans in the fantasy genre.   Not sure how much worse it can get.

  Vannor

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10/25/12 6:14:02 PM#37

Publicity stunt. Any publicity is good publicity. I'll guarantee their expansion sales go up now that everyone is being reminded that turbine still exists. I'll guarantee Turbine knew this as well.

This "bad news for more and free media coverage" is starting to become very commonplace.

Before.. companies just kept this sort of thing to themselves.

  Emeraq

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10/25/12 7:53:05 PM#38
Originally posted by Scorchien

  This may be more of a restructuring and taking Turbine in a new direction , as they made some key hires just days previous to lead there development.

 

http://www.gamebanshee.com/news/109839-turbine-expands-leadership-team-ken-rolston-joins-as-director-of-design.html

I was thinking this is likely as well, as I'm sure they are putting a lot of faith in those "established" names they just hired.

  erictlewis

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10/25/12 8:04:03 PM#39

I had a lifetime sub for both me and the wife.  Then we got that crap called SOM shadows of mirkwood, then the even more crap of dunland.   I logged out and never went back.  That is two lifetime subs just sitting there rotting. An no you cant have my stuff.  We did not buy ROI shortly after it went live we both got a notice that our accounts were banned, due to some strange things.  The truth we did not buy ROI and were punished, they claimed it was an error and our accounts were banned by accident.  I went about getting the accounts unbanned,  then the same thing happened with ROR this time I am not even going to bother, they can have those two accounts.

Just goes to prove that freemium might not be working and might have prolonged the inevitable. This is a good thing drive a stake into companies thinking that freemiums are going to fix their woes.

 

 

 

  arctarus

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10/25/12 8:04:18 PM#40
Hopefully bw is looking at this ....

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