Originally posted by Purutzil

Yeah... totally not like it has happened before with lets see...

Age Of Conan

FF14

Tera (love the combat but otherwise meh)

SWTOR (which even got Goty... being out only few days, almost like they paid for one... *looks accusingly at MMOrpg*)

Aion (Which to be fair, its doing amazing overseas, just not as good in the west)

Guild Wars 2 

Vanguard

DC Universe

Rift (though I really do enjoy this game, still a lot lower in population)

 

I mean we can go on and on if you want. Preview =/= release results. Any reviewer is typically going to put a posative spin on anything they see, after all they want to be invited to try stuff out more and they want that little revenue for advertising that game. 

Thats because they arent really "reviewers" or "game journalists". Though they make you think they are.

They are really just an Advertisment Spokesperson.

These Official "Previews" and "Reviews" are nothing but commercials trying to get you to buy the game.

heavily phased, instanced and with an emphasis on "story". it's dead already. swtor model, through and through. and yes, the initial sales will be impressive but not as much as swtor's. imo even the general public is becoming aware that "ip does not the game make" - it is the game design, the way the mechanics are built, the "what this game is all about" rather than referencing some imagined world...

tell me, did you love ES games for their "story" or for the fact that they gave you a freedom to explore and a real sense of accomplishment? I still remember eeking out a living in Morrowind... People confuse these things. People didn't love Star Wars because of its setting.. they loved it because of its characters, excellent writing and revolutionary special effects for the time. If you remove these, the story is banal and pretty much standard as is the space-opera setting, it's been done and done already ever since the 1940s... - the movie would have flopped like everybody expected to. The setting became beloved by so many because the movie itself, the stuff I mentioned, carried it through. Fast forward 15 years... bland characters, soapy writing and meh special effects (being impressed by CGI today is like being impressed by steam engines in the 20th century...) It's just an attempt at exploiting customer sentimentality. When you strip off the SW/ES sheen, there is nothing behind. Nothing.

Originally posted by PsychoPigeon

Originally posted by Kyleran

Various game press sites are gushing praise all over the place after playing for a few hours.

Haven't we seen this type of behavior before?

Sure, but, we have learnt quite a lot about the game at such an early stage. Open world sieges, dungeons, combat system, quest system etc. Sure it's all subject to change but before this batch of previews I really didn't think they would make a real MMO out of Elder Scrolls. Not to mention a lot of the people who got to play all played Elder Scrolls and they agree if feels like Elder Scrolls

Were you not paying attention in the run up for TOR?

Same exact thing: multiple overly positive previews/first looks/exclusive videos etc.etc. every week.

This site and others like it that hyped that game to the sky and it was mediocre at best. And magically, they saw none of what made 80% of the playerbase quit in the first 6 months.

It is clear that the entire gaming press has lost any vestiges of objectivity it ever had, to the pockets of advertisers/game companies.

 If anything, the hype title-wave makes it more likely TESO will be a bad game than the reverse, because you don't have to try nearly so hard to sell a good game (especially one with name recognition).

So, the hype machine is cranking up for TESO?

So bloody what....

Originally posted by PsychoPigeon
Looks like this could be THE mmorpg everyone is waiting for

I think I've heard that before, sounds familiar.

Already got the MMORPG for me 

Zenimax so far has made things sound better compared to previous information earlier this year. Depending on payment model, combat, questing, and PVP,  my intrest in it will increase/decrease, then I will try beta, and if I like it I'll buy it.

Originally posted by Pilnkplonk

heavily phased, instanced and with an emphasis on "story". it's dead already. swtor model, through and through.

Aye, when I read about that, I was instantly turned away from the game. I don't see me ever buying it for those reasons alone, well and it's going to be a typical WoW clone themepark wanna-be.

and it'll be the wowkiller

and it'll have EVERYTHING at launch

and it'll take your trash out for you

and it'll make people be your friend so you're not lonely anymore

and it won't suck and cause devs to delete posts pointing that out on the official forums and nobody will get banned from this site for "infractions" when the flame wars inevitably hit

/sarcasam off

Originally posted by Ouriel

Don't raise your expectations or you'll be disappointed. :)
Just a tip.

That's right, expect only misery and predict only doom.

Wait...what kind of life is that?

That cost of this 'guarding myself against disappointment' by equipping my "+10 armor of bitterness"....just sounds too high.

Originally posted by PsychoPigeon

Originally posted by Kyleran

Various game press sites are gushing praise all over the place after playing for a few hours.

Haven't we seen this type of behavior before?

Sure, but, we have learnt quite a lot about the game at such an early stage. Open world sieges, dungeons, combat system, quest system etc. Sure it's all subject to change but before this batch of previews I really didn't think they would make a real MMO out of Elder Scrolls. Not to mention a lot of the people who got to play all played Elder Scrolls and they agree if feels like Elder Scrolls

Just take the "Open world sieges" feature. Time will tell if that will work with some real load on the servers. How many preview testers have been allowed to test the "prototype" yet? ;-)

Originally posted by PsychoPigeon
Looks like this could be THE mmorpg everyone is waiting for

They were saying the same about TOR :P

Originally posted by SuperDonk
Like a lot of poeple already said, TOR has given the community reason to take any review with a grain of salt. I would include GW2 in that as well. The reviewers work for companies that need revenue from gaming companies, so this comes as no surprise that every MMO preview is positive. Also, reviewers typically only play for a couple of hours, if even that. MMOs are about longevity so the reviewers would have a distorted view even if they were being completely objective.

Actually there were  a variety of people there, including leaders of the biggest clans in MMOs. Positive feedback so far, no fake TOR paid-for previews here.

Originally posted by PsychoPigeon

Originally posted by SuperDonk
Like a lot of poeple already said, TOR has given the community reason to take any review with a grain of salt. I would include GW2 in that as well. The reviewers work for companies that need revenue from gaming companies, so this comes as no surprise that every MMO preview is positive. Also, reviewers typically only play for a couple of hours, if even that. MMOs are about longevity so the reviewers would have a distorted view even if they were being completely objective.

Actually there were  a variety of people there, including leaders of the biggest clans in MMOs. Positive feedback so far, no fake TOR paid-for previews here.

So self important fans who got a free invite and are desperate not to screw up their chance of another are somehow trustworthy.

Originally posted by PsychoPigeon

Originally posted by SuperDonk
Like a lot of poeple already said, TOR has given the community reason to take any review with a grain of salt. I would include GW2 in that as well. The reviewers work for companies that need revenue from gaming companies, so this comes as no surprise that every MMO preview is positive. Also, reviewers typically only play for a couple of hours, if even that. MMOs are about longevity so the reviewers would have a distorted view even if they were being completely objective.

Actually there were  a variety of people there, including leaders of the biggest clans in MMOs. Positive feedback so far, no fake TOR paid-for previews here.

 The second part of my post might still apply though. I'm pretty sure TOR had very positive player previews too, but they didn't address the longevity question. After a few hours of SWTOR I also thought it could be one of the best MMOs ever, but I had not got to end game yet nor did I forsee Bioware's game breaking bugs, exploits, and head-scratching nerfs.

Its already well known that media outlets are liars, yes even the correspondants at MMORPG. You think they would write a negative review on anygame they were given the privledge to come in and preview? 

THe answer is no, not unless they never wanted to be invited back.

I take all these previews and articles for a grain of salt, show me a video, lable it as being only alpha and ill see if i buy what your selling for myself. Save your written previews.

As soon as they mentioned megaservers would have instanced zones and phasing, it pretty much killed any chance I would enjoy this game. A TES game should have at least SOME degree of persistence. Instancing and phasing are the easy (and cheap) ways out.

Try something:

Find me a bad preview from a major games outled for any AAA MMO in the past 7 years.

I dare you.

I double dare you-----

Even Tabula Rasa and APB got favorable previews.