Originally posted by Icewhite

Not many people in this thread have a very firm grasp on atheism.

When I drink too much I've been known to worship a porcelain god, no nevermind that that god is usually full of shit.

Maybe, just maybe, we take ourselves too seriously; and I cannot contrive a worse venue for doing so than within the context of discussing a goddamned game.

The only way someone would understand a religion outside of theirs is if they had a personal connection to a person of that faith or belief system.

Otherwise, people of different faiths than you are simply "the Others."

You think that I am not giving people enough credit. I am fine with this.

Originally posted by Vunak23

People get worked up over the dumbest things.... no wonder this world sucks ass. 

this comment right here gets to the point of it all.   /thumbsup

Originally posted by Vlhad7734

Originally posted by Vunak23

People get worked up over the dumbest things.... no wonder this world sucks ass. 

this comment right here gets to the point of it all.   /thumbsup

Here's the rub: it is totally within our nature to seek some deeper meaning, absent that we are dogs ... or aardvarks. The devil is in keeping our findings a private affair.

To the OP - BOO FRIGGEN HOO.. Get over it already. Its funny how Aethiests go thru life thinking that their choice of not having anything to celebrate should outweigh the rights and choice of those who do celebrate.

I could care less if its not considered Politcally Correct. But your rights and choices should not EVER impede those of others. PERIOD end of friggen story.

You dont like the Festivities going on in games dont take part in them. Go sit your unhappy butt in a dungeon somewhere, and grind.

Never 'too many', but it does boher me that they are always just based on RL holidays... I find that a bit cheesy and uninspiring tbh. 

I would rather see the true game's lore reflected in the events, rather than being twisted to fit some version of Halloween.

Originally posted by TheAncient

There has been an awful trend of including holiday events in MMORPGs of late. I can see why some people might love them, but not everyone is into events which essentially are immersion breakers.

I'm an athiest, a middle aged athiest at that, so the idea of a heavily commercialised Christian or Pagan events changing what is meant to be escapist fun is not only anathema but downright intrusive. Celebrating Independance Day or Thanksgiving simply has no meaning where I live and has no relevance to the games either.

Why can we not have MMORPGs with unique holiday events tied to the lore of their particular worlds? That is something I could buy into and enjoy.

 

Well then. I suppose all developers should contact you before making  their games so they can make sure any holiday events they want to put in will match up with your beliefs.  

Tolerance or toleration a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward those whose opinions, practices, race, religion, nationality, etc., differ from one's own; freedom from bigotry.

These holiday events are meant to be a fun break from the norm in these games, and as a place for people to socialize.  People largely enjoy and appreciate them, and they are opt-in.  No one is forcing you to partake.  Frankly, I don't even know how you can get emmersed in these boring themepark games enough for anything to break it, but good for you for being able to do so.

I'd also like to add that atheism seems to have become its own religion lately, especially with Reddit-dwelling psuedo-intellectual hipsters.  I'm non-religious myself (and I dig Reddit), but I don't undertand why everyone can't be allowed to do their own thing.

Because everyone that doesn't think or believe the same way you do is dumb.

And by you, I mean me. Or, well, I. But still me.

Originally posted by TheAncient

There has been an awful trend of including holiday events in MMORPGs of late. I can see why some people might love them, but not everyone is into events which essentially are immersion breakers.

I'm an athiest, a middle aged athiest at that, so the idea of a heavily commercialised Christian or Pagan events changing what is meant to be escapist fun is not only anathema but downright intrusive. Celebrating Independance Day or Thanksgiving simply has no meaning where I live and has no relevance to the games either.

Why can we not have MMORPGs with unique holiday events tied to the lore of their particular worlds? That is something I could buy into and enjoy.

 

Way to stir the pot.

This forum should start a holiday themed around all the complainers who like to complain for no reason. Most holidays stopped being about religion a long time ago, anyway. How about stop being so cynical and just enjoy these events for what they're meant to be: fun little things to do on the side.

By the way, it's "Atheist."

Originally posted by Aviggin

Originally posted by TheAncient

There has been an awful trend of including holiday events in MMORPGs of late. I can see why some people might love them, but not everyone is into events which essentially are immersion breakers.

I'm an athiest, a middle aged athiest at that, so the idea of a heavily commercialised Christian or Pagan events changing what is meant to be escapist fun is not only anathema but downright intrusive. Celebrating Independance Day or Thanksgiving simply has no meaning where I live and has no relevance to the games either.

Why can we not have MMORPGs with unique holiday events tied to the lore of their particular worlds? That is something I could buy into and enjoy.

 

Way to stir the pot.

This forum should start a holiday themed around all the complainers who like to complain for no reason. Most holidays stopped being about religion a long time ago, anyway. How about stop being so cynical and just enjoy these events for what they're meant to be: fun little things to do on the side.

By the way, it's "Atheist".

The funny part about it is these games are full of all kinds of mythology and religious overtones, witchcraft/magics, etc. and he's not complaining about that.  He's just complaining because some real-world spiritual beliefs and holidays are found in some games.  A true atheist would see them all the same, since they don't believe in any of it.  This is just hipster atheism that he wants to put on display.

Originally posted by aphydork

Because everyone that doesn't think or believe the same way you do is dumb.

And by you, I mean me. Or, well, I. But still me.

A pack of wolves will kill a dog, not because they see the dog as food; rather, it's their nature to eliminate those they perceive as weak.

I agree with you, unfortunately we don't stop at merely adjudicating someone as "dumb." Somewhere in our primordial depths, we also view those different than us, or with beliefs different than ours, as a threat. Given the means to "cull them from the pack" we will do so; indeed, have done so throughout History, usually under cover of religious belief.

Originally posted by Simphanatic

Originally posted by aphydork

Because everyone that doesn't think or believe the same way you do is dumb.

And by you, I mean me. Or, well, I. But still me.

A pack of wolves will kill a dog, not because they see the dog as food; rather, it's their nature to eliminate those they perceive as weak.

I agree with you, unfortunately we don't stop at merely adjudicating someone as "dumb." Somewhere in our primordial depths, we also view those different than us, or with beliefs different than ours, as a threat. Given the means to "cull them from the pack" we will do so; indeed, have done so throughout History, usually under cover of religious belief.

Human's have the ability for rational thinking, empathy, humility, tolerance, etc.   We are not wolves, though some people seem to have only one foot out of the cave, intellectually.

Originally posted by MindTrigger

Human's have the potential for rational thinking, empathy, humility, tolerance, etc.   We are not wolves, though some people seem to have only one foot out of the cave, intellectually.

With the minor change, I can agree with you completely. The debate is when and how much that potential is exercised in the broadest sense. I identify with an Existentialist philosophy more than not, but man alone in the wilderness is notional only.

Originally posted by TheAncient

There has been an awful trend of including holiday events in MMORPGs of late. I can see why some people might love them, but not everyone is into events which essentially are immersion breakers.

I'm an athiest, a middle aged athiest at that, so the idea of a heavily commercialised Christian or Pagan events changing what is meant to be escapist fun is not only anathema but downright intrusive. Celebrating Independance Day or Thanksgiving simply has no meaning where I live and has no relevance to the games either.

Why can we not have MMORPGs with unique holiday events tied to the lore of their particular worlds? That is something I could buy into and enjoy.

 

I don't mind events in-game. What I have issues with is rather that you have a game world (e.g. fantasy themed, science fiction themed, etc.) with its own lore, history and people (NPCs) and then you implant some real world events into it. I'd rather expect the events revolving around in-game aspects (e.g. lore/history/NPCs).

As an example: take some high fantasy themed MMORPG with a polyteistic background and then have some christmas event or easter event (e.g. easter egg hunt). If the game world resembled more the real world (on the inside as well as the outside) this wouldn't be such an immersion breaker. So I just get the feeling of contemporary humans in funny clothes.

These kinds of seasonal events can be fun. The first time around. But that's it. Additionally I find myself not playing at these times of the year anyway (call it some kind of evolution) thus I miss them due to the timing (but I don't miss them events ,) ).

Originally posted by TheAncient

There has been an awful trend of including holiday events in MMORPGs of late. I can see why some people might love them, but not everyone is into events which essentially are immersion breakers.

I'm an athiest, a middle aged athiest at that, so the idea of a heavily commercialised Christian or Pagan events changing what is meant to be escapist fun is not only anathema but downright intrusive. Celebrating Independance Day or Thanksgiving simply has no meaning where I live and has no relevance to the games either.

Why can we not have MMORPGs with unique holiday events tied to the lore of their particular worlds? That is something I could buy into and enjoy.

 

hey mr.TheAncient, i dont give a shit too about gods and fantasy stories, just having fun doing something different from the usuall, if something is annoying i just avoid it, but ok i didnt found anything annoying, f.e. i live in Greece and nobody has the mood of Halloween, we have something similar at the end of February but not this kid-based mostly for adults.. but its not bad getting some bonuses or some extra kewl skins ^^

ok Christmas mood is the worst :P

I find seasonal events awesome. I love when games do them! You don't have to have a religion to enjoy halloween. In japan, 'christmas' is also celebrated, yet the majority of japanese are buddhists. 

Originally posted by MindTrigger

Human's have the ability for rational thinking, empathy, humility, tolerance, etc.   We are not wolves, though some people seem to have only one foot out of the cave, intellectually.

Keywords: have the ability

As for "we are not wolves?" False.

Originally posted by TheAncient

There has been an awful trend of including holiday events in MMORPGs of late. I can see why some people might love them, but not everyone is into events which essentially are immersion breakers.

I'm an athiest, a middle aged athiest at that, so the idea of a heavily commercialised Christian or Pagan events changing what is meant to be escapist fun is not only anathema but downright intrusive. Celebrating Independance Day or Thanksgiving simply has no meaning where I live and has no relevance to the games either.

See, I'm an atheist too, probably older than you, and people like you really get on my tits.  If something harmless falls outside my beliefs it doesn't mean it's inherently wrong - it's a big, big world out there, and I live in it.  I think you should stay silent, if the sight of other people enjoying themselves so upsets you, and instead try to grow into a mature, balanced person who demonstrates the admirable attitude of "live and let live."  Your objections to other people's fun are petty.

Thanksgiving means nothing to me, but it doesn't kill me to enjoy the enjoyment of others.  Christmas, Eid, Passover - it's all the same to me... it's just people from another culture sharing a happy time at the same time I happen to be around.  Obviously you hate that, since it's "anathema" to you (ironic, since that's religious terminology) but it does you no harm to go along with it.  Stop being a misery guts, and act like an adult.  Oh, and it's Atheist, not Athiest - fancy being a proud, middle-aged Atheist all this time and not actually being able to spell it. 

As for being "shoehorned" into MMOs, so what?  How many other topics have I seen over the years in game chat which have no relevance to the game itself?  Politics, sport, films, music, whatever... Seasonal events are a means of bonding a community through a bit of harmless fun, and if you have an issue with your delicate sense of immersion being broken, log out and don't play for the duration.