No man, you don't understand, this is SRS BSNIS!!!!

Skins man!  Skins!

People are blind they argue the fact that any gambling methods should not be in a game a kid can play however they cant see the fact there hundred of gambling things aiming at kids a few examples as followed

- Baseball card (the popular players are always rarer so kids spend more money trying to get it)

- The toy gumball type machine things there always one harder to get and kids try and get the set by putting in 1 dollar and hoping they ge tthe one they need

- Trading card games, all the stronger cards are rarer and kids try and get the stronger cards they can get so they spend more and more money trying to get it

- Blizzard has also had card game where they also can give in game items such as the spectural tiger mount that alot of people spent hundred to thousands trying to get one.

ITs all over the place cant walk down a street without finding something aiming towards gambling to kids imo though i think this is a good thing because you learn at a young age about the value of money, atleast i did from playing the casino /roll 100 games in Everquest (roll above 60 double money rol above 90 triple and so on) when i was 12 it did me absolutly no harm if anything it made me save my money and spend it wisly later on in life.

Originally posted by Creslin321

No man, you don't understand, this is SRS BSNIS!!!!

Skins man!  Skins!

This is relevant to my interests.

Some people care.

If you don't, you have enough going on in your life to put things into perspective but not enough to make you so intensely emotional as to project your emotions onto a game.

One to the poster above I dont think its just kids its anything you do is a gamble even buying a car is a gamble but people act like this loot thing from the mystic chest is newly added or something when companys have been doing it sense before wow. To say buying a game is not a gamble read the forums on how many people buy a game and then grip they didn't like it after they bought it. Like most console games if you buy it your lucky if you even get your moneys worth out of it. I used to spend about $2000.00 USD a year on console gaming and most of the games I played would give me about 4 to 5 days of play unless it was a rpg and alot of the rpg's on a console back before mmo's were a gamble.

This is not gambling to me I don't get paid back by it. To me it more or less a marketing choice alot of companys are doing and alot of players who have played many mmo's can say holiday events are marketing just like the real world every holiday is a marketing thing form companys to make money.

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Originally posted by DMKano
It's just skins...it doesn't change the gameplay in any way shape or form. So what is the big deal?   Maybe it's because skins and vanity items have zero appeal to me in any game, to me what matters are the things that make my character stronger, I don't care what my toon looks like.   Oh well... I guess folks are really into looks and style.

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Easy to explain - haters gotta hate, and they latch on to any reason they can even remotely spin to do it.

It's a Halloween event - it's fun. Some people just can't have that.

I guess the deal is Guildwars 2 is really Skinwars 2. And as soon as the skins are dismissable to players, the game becomes redundant to many of them too. -. They care about those skins, because that is what the game seems to be about, wether its legendary skins, event skins, dungeon token skins etc etc. - It doesnt make sense to ask people; whats the big deal. If they stop caring about it, they stop playing.

When people feel they cant obtain the skins, they feel the game is out of reach in some way. - That is my guess anyhoo, personally I wouldnt have purchased keys to gamble on the chests at all. I think alot of those who did, regret not just purchasing the gems and converting to gold and then buying them from the BLT's. - And that is probably what annoys them more than anything. They thought! they had very good chances are getting the skins from the chests, but the chance isnt that high when it comes down to it.

A lot of the confusion and dissapointment imo, stems from players not really being familiar with this type of buisness model, and that the drop chances cant be so high that market demands are met right away. - otherwise the gemshop wouldnt rake in enough cash to support that buisness model. 

Originally posted by SBE1
I've held off buying this game because it seems to me that the whole "improve your character" revolves around getting new vanity items, rather than improving your character's abilities/attributes/etc.  Some games can do this with gear (e.g., SWTOR), while other games do it through PvP attributes (e.g., realm ranks in DAOC).  I keep thinking about buying GW2, but I have really no motivation to find the next vanity item, and that's about the only character progression I keep reading about.  

You do get a rank level for spvp in gw2.

Originally posted by SBE1
I've held off buying this game because it seems to me that the whole "improve your character" revolves around getting new vanity items, rather than improving your character's abilities/attributes/etc.  Some games can do this with gear (e.g., SWTOR), while other games do it through PvP attributes (e.g., realm ranks in DAOC).  I keep thinking about buying GW2, but I have really no motivation to find the next vanity item, and that's about the only character progression I keep reading about.  

The point is gear grind (to get better stats) sometimes helps the elitist attitudes in a game. The fact that once you hit level 80, you need to understand your builds and skill synergy in order  to play well, doesn't sit well with the WoW, Rift, etc. contingent used to grinding out new gear in new instances.

Originally posted by DMKano

 I don't get the drama...

I don't get why you created a new thread to express a thought that would have fitted well into one of the others...

Oh, wait... you wanted to be noticed and feel like you were special.

Think about that and then apply it to skins in these games.

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by SBE1
I've held off buying this game because it seems to me that the whole "improve your character" revolves around getting new vanity items, rather than improving your character's abilities/attributes/etc.  Some games can do this with gear (e.g., SWTOR), while other games do it through PvP attributes (e.g., realm ranks in DAOC).  I keep thinking about buying GW2, but I have really no motivation to find the next vanity item, and that's about the only character progression I keep reading about.  

The point is gear grind (to get better stats) sometimes helps the elitist attitudes in a game. The fact that once you hit level 80, you need to understand your builds and skill synergy in order  to play well, doesn't sit well with the WoW, Rift, etc. contingent used to grinding out new gear in new instances.

Yeah, I don't think that's it.

Originally posted by dreamsofwar

Originally posted by Creslin321

No man, you don't understand, this is SRS BSNIS!!!!

Skins man!  Skins!

This is relevant to my interests.

Thanks for making me hungry.

When your whole endgame is "skins", I guess it starts to matter?

Personally, I never cared much for character customization, but I know people who decide which game to play almost entirely on how the character creation screen is.

Don't get me wrong, I love new (or better) gear, but in the sense that it means something when you look at it - a hard battle fought (be it pve or pvp) or a sign of an impressive feat.

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by SBE1
I've held off buying this game because it seems to me that the whole "improve your character" revolves around getting new vanity items, rather than improving your character's abilities/attributes/etc.  Some games can do this with gear (e.g., SWTOR), while other games do it through PvP attributes (e.g., realm ranks in DAOC).  I keep thinking about buying GW2, but I have really no motivation to find the next vanity item, and that's about the only character progression I keep reading about.  

The point is gear grind (to get better stats) sometimes helps the elitist attitudes in a game. The fact that once you hit level 80, you need to understand your builds and skill synergy in order  to play well, doesn't sit well with the WoW, Rift, etc. contingent used to grinding out new gear in new instances.

There actually is a gear grind / character advancement in GW2 until you get to level 80, unlock all skills and get your gear to fully exotic, which would take 1-2 months for most gamers. They dont just hand you the best gear once you ding 80. After that point the treadmill stops and it is all about appearance. The difference being that they wont introduce a new dungeon in 3 months that you need to grind to get back on top again.

Originally posted by botrytis

The point is gear grind (to get better stats) sometimes helps the elitist attitudes in a game. The fact that once you hit level 80, you need to understand your builds and skill synergy in order  to play well, doesn't sit well with the WoW, Rift, etc. contingent used to grinding out new gear in new instances.

I find this argument incredibly funny, and a lot of Guild Wars 2 players like to use it.

>> GW2 doesn't have the same gear progression as WoW or Rift, because players need to learn about their skills to play well!

That is... not... the same thing.