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  lifeordinary

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OP  10/24/12 5:20:31 AM#1

I am amazed at the amount of support and defense for Anet over the way they have decided to maximize their profits through lottery system. Yes it is a business and they are in here to make money but is it the only way? by feeding of the addiction of players?

The very same people who are defending Anet over this are the same people who would in past rip anything apart as long as it  included word 'cash shop' .  (yes posting history is a great thing)

The fact is that if Anet had made these new items available through halloween activities they would gain no profit out of it. That is why selling keys or selling gems which can be converted to gold, in both situtaion Anet makes big profits.

Now before someone says 'you are not entitled' or 'it is not needed'...for me it is more of a moral issue than anything else. I don't like what MMOS have been reduced to in current times.

My question is simple, would you defend this lottery system / gambling involving real life cash if it was any other company say Bioware, Crytpic, Funcom or SOE? if not then why Anet gets free pass on everything? why such blatant double standards by the community? 

 

  GrayImpact

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10/24/12 5:23:29 AM#2

I barely read any of this just because ... Well..

 

You're surprised that a MMO is feeding off of addiction.. Like.. Really?

This is the ENTIRE basis for like every MMO thats been succesful, EVER

  lifeordinary

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OP  10/24/12 5:25:23 AM#3

Well you should have read further because i asked a very simple question if you will or will not support other companies who would implement similar system for events in future.

Yes all MMOS work on concept of addiction but there is a line which when you cross the whole things becomes very obvious. And i am talking about events like Halloween designed specificaly for this very sole reason.

  moguy2

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10/24/12 5:26:00 AM#4
Originally posted by Agoden

I barely read any of this just because ... Well..

 

You're surprised that a MMO is feeding off of addiction.. Like.. Really?

This is the ENTIRE basis for like every MMO thats been succesful, EVER

That wasnt what he was getting at. Re read that.

  stevebmbsqd

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10/24/12 5:26:03 AM#5
Originally posted by lifeordinary

I am amazed at the amount of support and defense for Anet over the way they have decided to maximize their profits through lottery system. Yes it is a business and they are in here to make money but is it the only way? by feeding of the addiction of players?

The very same people who are defending Anet over this are the same people who would in past rip anything apart as long as it  included word 'cash shop' .  (yes posting history is a great thing)

The fact is that if Anet had made these new items available through halloween activities they would gain no profit out of it. That is why selling keys or selling gems which can be converted to gold, in both situtaion Anet makes big profits.

Now before someone says 'you are not entitled' or 'it is not needed'...for me it is more of a moral issue than anything else. I don't like what MMOS have been reduced to in current times.

My question is simple, would you defend this lottery system / gambling involving real life cash if it was any other company say Bioware, Crytpic, Funcom or SOE? if not then why Anet gets free pass on everything? why such blatant double standards by the community? 

 

Did you really expect anything different from some of those overly zealous fans? I think GW2 is fine for what it is, but some of those people take being a fan to a whole new level.

  BeansnBread

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10/24/12 5:29:56 AM#6

I don't think gambling should be illegal so of course I'm not going to express moral outrage. I think everyone should have the right to do whatever they want with their money.

 

And what do you think trying and getting a drop from a boss is? It's gambling. Why were you not here to express your moral outrage to all the games that include loot tables in order to get gear that you actually NEED to progress?

 

To me, you look like the one with double standards. You never held anyone else accountable before and yet here you are trying to attack ANet on the issue.

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  revy66

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10/24/12 5:35:08 AM#7
Yeah, I would support any other company as well. IF the game had no subscription and IF the items were unnecesasry like Anet does. So not double standards at all.
  KyutaSyuko

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10/24/12 5:35:24 AM#8
I've spent hundreds of RLM on chance items so obviously I don't have much of an issue with it...  Cept that my luck tends to suck and I generally spend hundreds of RLM on chance items and don't get what I want =|
  Ineveraskforthis

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10/24/12 5:36:54 AM#9
In before someone accusing you for being double standard .
  lifeordinary

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OP  10/24/12 5:37:11 AM#10
Originally posted by colddog04

I don't think gambling should be illegal so of course I'm not going to express moral outrage. I think everyone should have the right to do whatever they want with their money.

 

And what do you think trying and getting a drop from a boss is? It's gambling. Why were you not here to express your moral outrage to all the games that include loot tables in order to get gear that you actually NEED to progress?

 

To me, you look like the one with double standards. You never held anyone else accountable before and yet here you are trying to attack ANet on the issue.

Yeah need / greed roll on an item  is same as encouraging people to throw real life cash for lottery system. You got me.

Thanks for proving my point..this is the sole reason why i made this topic so that i can understand this sheer display of hypocricy.

Also if it was any other company you wouldn't defend them. You do so only because it is Anet.

 

 

Originally posted by iamjason1989
In before someone accusing you for being double standard .

 

 

Too late....

  KhinRunite

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10/24/12 5:40:29 AM#11
Originally posted by lifeordinary

I am amazed at the amount of support and defense for Anet over the way they have decided to maximize their profits through lottery system. Yes it is a business and they are in here to make money but is it the only way? by feeding of the addiction of players?

The very same people who are defending Anet over this are the same people who would in past rip anything apart as long as it  included word 'cash shop' .  (yes posting history is a great thing)

The fact is that if Anet had made these new items available through halloween activities they would gain no profit out of it. That is why selling keys or selling gems which can be converted to gold, in both situtaion Anet makes big profits.

Now before someone says 'you are not entitled' or 'it is not needed'...for me it is more of a moral issue than anything else. I don't like what MMOS have been reduced to in current times.

My question is simple, would you defend this lottery system / gambling involving real life cash if it was any other company say Bioware, Crytpic, Funcom or SOE? if not then why Anet gets free pass on everything? why such blatant double standards by the community? 

 

1.) The items must NOT be neccessary in order to access any other content

2.) "Lottery" through cash shop must NOT be the only means of obtaining these OPTIONAL items

Fortunately GW2 met my two conditions. I honestly don't care if Bioware, Cryptic, Funcom, or SOE do this as long as they meet my two requirements.

  Aerowyn

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10/24/12 5:41:29 AM#12
you still on this kick? fact is you don't need to spend anything in the CS to get these halloween items.. there's no chance no gambling about it nothing.. if you have gold you can buy any one you want.. OR you can get lucky and get one for spending nothing using a key on a chest... that is the big difference the ONLY thing that is CS exclusive is a couple town clothes for the event.. so what's the issue again?

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  Magnetia

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10/24/12 5:42:46 AM#13
STO Lockboxes. Same fiasco no?

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  lifeordinary

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OP  10/24/12 5:44:30 AM#14
Originally posted by KhinRunite
Originally posted by lifeordinary

I am amazed at the amount of support and defense for Anet over the way they have decided to maximize their profits through lottery system. Yes it is a business and they are in here to make money but is it the only way? by feeding of the addiction of players?

The very same people who are defending Anet over this are the same people who would in past rip anything apart as long as it  included word 'cash shop' .  (yes posting history is a great thing)

The fact is that if Anet had made these new items available through halloween activities they would gain no profit out of it. That is why selling keys or selling gems which can be converted to gold, in both situtaion Anet makes big profits.

Now before someone says 'you are not entitled' or 'it is not needed'...for me it is more of a moral issue than anything else. I don't like what MMOS have been reduced to in current times.

My question is simple, would you defend this lottery system / gambling involving real life cash if it was any other company say Bioware, Crytpic, Funcom or SOE? if not then why Anet gets free pass on everything? why such blatant double standards by the community? 

 

1.) The items must NOT be neccessary in order to access any other content

2.) "Lottery" through cash shop must NOT be the only means of obtaining these OPTIONAL items

Fortunately GW2 met my two conditions. I honestly don't care if Bioware, Cryptic, Funcom, or SOE do this as long as they meet my two requirements.

BLC items are only avilable through chest or trade on TP which again encourages peope to buy gems to convert to to gold in order to purchase those. Assuming everyone has so much gold that they can freely onvert it to ge and not worry about spending any cash. Which is highely unlikely.

I would agree with you if those items were avilable through events but Anet took that option out why? because if people get those as rewards for doing events there cash shop is completely ruled out and they make no profit.

 

 

Originally posted by Aerowyn
you still on this kick? fact is you don't need to spend anything in the CS to get these halloween items.. there's no chance no gambling about it nothing.. if you have gold you can buy any one you want.. OR you can get lucky and get one for spending nothing using a key on a chest... that is the big difference the ONLY thing that is CS exclusive is a couple town clothes for the event.. so what's the issue again?

 

Its ironic coming from someone who spends majority of his time defending GW2 and doing damage control. Read my above reply because i don't want to repeat myself i ahve already answered why CS is centre point of this event. My post is not just about lottery but how whole Halloween event is designed around CS.

 

 

  saurus123

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Joined: 4/12/06
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10/24/12 5:45:39 AM#15
Originally posted by lifeordinary

I am amazed at the amount of support and defense for Anet over the way they have decided to maximize their profits through lottery system. Yes it is a business and they are in here to make money but is it the only way? by feeding of the addiction of players?

The very same people who are defending Anet over this are the same people who would in past rip anything apart as long as it  included word 'cash shop' .  (yes posting history is a great thing)

The fact is that if Anet had made these new items available through halloween activities they would gain no profit out of it. That is why selling keys or selling gems which can be converted to gold, in both situtaion Anet makes big profits.

Now before someone says 'you are not entitled' or 'it is not needed'...for me it is more of a moral issue than anything else. I don't like what MMOS have been reduced to in current times.

My question is simple, would you defend this lottery system / gambling involving real life cash if it was any other company say Bioware, Crytpic, Funcom or SOE? if not then why Anet gets free pass on everything? why such blatant double standards by the community? 

 

i dont understand your point

 

theres many other MMOS that do this

like Atlantica Online or Sword2 but these give you gear with better stats (p2w)

i dont have problem with ANet you can buy these skins from TP and not with real money

and after event is over you can never get it again they will be uniqe

  BeansnBread

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10/24/12 5:45:39 AM#16
Originally posted by lifeordinary
Originally posted by colddog04

I don't think gambling should be illegal so of course I'm not going to express moral outrage. I think everyone should have the right to do whatever they want with their money.

 

And what do you think trying and getting a drop from a boss is? It's gambling. Why were you not here to express your moral outrage to all the games that include loot tables in order to get gear that you actually NEED to progress?

 

To me, you look like the one with double standards. You never held anyone else accountable before and yet here you are trying to attack ANet on the issue.

Yeah need / greed roll on an item  is same as encouraging people to throw real life cash for lottery system. You got me.

Thanks for proving my point..this is the sole reason why i made this topic so that i can understand this sheer display of hypocricy.

Also if it was any other company you wouldn't defend them. You do so only because it is Anet.

Originally posted by iamjason1989
In before someone accusing you for being double standard .

Too late....

I don't think you read what I wrote.

 

I am not against gambling. There is no hypocrisy if I am not against gambling. 

 

Your double standard is painfully obvious to everyone, that's why a few are already pointing it out. In WoW, you pay $15/month to play a game. Every time you try and kill a boss, there is a chance an item drops. If it does not drop, you have just used your $15 in a less than optimal way in a very similar fashion to someone that buys a few keys to open chests and don't get what they want.

 

Also - YOU CAN BUY KEYS WITH GEMS THAT YOU CAN BUY WITH IN GAME GOLD. On top of that, these are for skins that do not help you in any way except to make you look better.

 

All I see is your blatant double standards and fake outrage.

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  meddyck

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10/24/12 5:46:52 AM#17
Our entire economy is built upon people paying money for useless crap they don't need like the latest iPhone or Windows 8. Get over it. If a few nerds with too much disposable income want to buy gems so they can open chests and win a Halloween costume, it isn't hurting anybody. In fact it's helping Anet and everybody who plays GW 2 by financing the game's future development and paying for its ongoing costs. This is way better than having a monthly sub that everybody has to pay or a cash shop filled with overpowered items that give their owners a big advantage in PvP.

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  Aerowyn

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10/24/12 5:47:33 AM#18
Originally posted by lifeordinary
Originally posted by KhinRunite
Originally posted by lifeordinary

I am amazed at the amount of support and defense for Anet over the way they have decided to maximize their profits through lottery system. Yes it is a business and they are in here to make money but is it the only way? by feeding of the addiction of players?

The very same people who are defending Anet over this are the same people who would in past rip anything apart as long as it  included word 'cash shop' .  (yes posting history is a great thing)

The fact is that if Anet had made these new items available through halloween activities they would gain no profit out of it. That is why selling keys or selling gems which can be converted to gold, in both situtaion Anet makes big profits.

Now before someone says 'you are not entitled' or 'it is not needed'...for me it is more of a moral issue than anything else. I don't like what MMOS have been reduced to in current times.

My question is simple, would you defend this lottery system / gambling involving real life cash if it was any other company say Bioware, Crytpic, Funcom or SOE? if not then why Anet gets free pass on everything? why such blatant double standards by the community? 

 

1.) The items must NOT be neccessary in order to access any other content

2.) "Lottery" through cash shop must NOT be the only means of obtaining these OPTIONAL items

Fortunately GW2 met my two conditions. I honestly don't care if Bioware, Cryptic, Funcom, or SOE do this as long as they meet my two requirements.

BLC items are only avilable through chest or trade on TP which again encourages peope to buy gems to convert to to gold in order to purchase those. Assuming everyone has so much gold that they can freely onvert it to ge and not worry about spending any cash. Which is highely unlikely.

I would agree with you if those items were avilable through events but Anet took that option out why? because if people get those as rewards for doing events there cash shop is completely ruled out and they make no profit.

 

so basically you are saying everything in the game on the TP encourages converting gems to gold which in turn supports their CS.. and in that same thought every game out their would encourage people to support gold selling websites because there is really expensive stuff on the auction houses

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  jondifool

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10/24/12 5:48:10 AM#19

Sigh doesn't OP forget the basic for it all.

Vanity. Thesse items are for looks only. its totally optional if you want them.

Some of these drops as a rare drop from chests, wich is opened with keys often bought with gems.

But these vanity skins can still be bought on the TP from other players with gold.

So even if you are a dress code addict, there is nothing that prevents you from playing the market and use your gains on thesse items.

Where is the problem??

if OP really want to attack the GW2 fans from being rabiate defenders of anything comming from ArenaNet i think OP can find better cases than this

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I am no favorite of the gems buying keys system, but i was much more wary about the exp boosters, and they turn out to be a thing  i don't find that big problem with.

If i really should bitch at ArenaNet about this, it would be that they fail to make the game challanging enough that gaining equipment other than vanity could hold the interest for long.

But that still doesn't make their cash shop ventures offensive imho.

read how to create a succesfull mmo before posting about GW2. And read tao of ArenaNet before talking about innovation in GW2

  lifeordinary

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OP  10/24/12 5:52:01 AM#20
Originally posted by colddog04
I don't think you read what I wrote.

 

I am not against gambling. There is no hypocrisy if I am not against gambling. 

 

Your double standard is painfully obvious to everyone, that's why a few are already pointing it out. In WoW, you pay $15/month to play a game. Every time you try and kill a boss, there is a chance an item drops. If it does not drop, you have just used your $15 in a less than optimal way in a very similar fashion to someone that buys a few keys to open chests and don't get what they want.

 

Also - YOU CAN BUY KEYS WITH GEMS THAT YOU CAN BUY WITH IN GAME GOLD. On top of that, these are for skins that do not help you in any way except to make you look better.

 

All I see if your blatant double standards and fake outrage.

Except for you no one else called me out for having a double standard. So who are these everyone? this is a very old trick by the way. Including world like 'majority' or 'everyone to give more weight to your opinion.

I pay 15 bucks in other MMOS for whole month and not just to do dungeons to need or greed. How is that even comparable to an event designed around CS which encourages people to spend large amount of money on lottery system?

And yes you can buy these items off the CS too granted you have large amount of gold to conver to gems. if not you again have to spend cash to buy gems and convert to gold to buy these items.

Anet planned this well that is why they took third option out, rewarding these items through events.

 

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