Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

Originally posted by Letsinod
This is why I dislike athiests so much.  Its all about them and not co-habitating.  We all have to deal with things we don't believe in or don't like.  Its called planet earth.  Why do you people always try to extingush everything else for everyone?

Yeah, it's not like the Christians or Muslims are constantly bitching. All we hear are the news every day is those damn Athiest complaining constantly.

Oh, wait.

Now that we've got that out of the way, I understand what the OP means.

It's not just athiest who get ignored, it's most others as well.

How many mmos celebrate Ramadan? Or Kwanzaa?

The holiday events in most mmo alienate many beliefs/cultures.

Would it be so bad to make the holiday events "generic" in tone? Why have "Christmas" instead of "Winter Festival"? Why have decorations of green and red tinsel everywhere with "Christmas trees"?

Why have Easter egg hunts in a game world where Easter wouldn't exist?

Why have "Halloween"? Why not a "Fall Festival" or "Solstice"?

It's not the events that are the problem.

The problem is lazy devs who don't want to take the time to be creative and give their worlds' inhabitants their own "holidays".

Let's say tomorrow we discovered five different planets filled with alien races and cultures.

Do you honestly think we'd find they all celebrate "Christmas" and "Easter" and "Thanksgiving"?

 

 

 

 

A lot of games do change the names. Alse they use the commercial ideas not ideas from the religion, it is still alienating other beliefs, however even christians will argue that these themes have nothing to do with what the holidays are about. So yeah they are generic. Also halloween isn't a recognized religious holiday.

People get worked up over the dumbest things.... no wonder this world sucks ass. 

Originally posted by Goll25

Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

Originally posted by Letsinod
This is why I dislike athiests so much.  Its all about them and not co-habitating.  We all have to deal with things we don't believe in or don't like.  Its called planet earth.  Why do you people always try to extingush everything else for everyone?

Yeah, it's not like the Christians or Muslims are constantly bitching. All we hear are the news every day is those damn Athiest complaining constantly.

Oh, wait.

Now that we've got that out of the way, I understand what the OP means.

It's not just athiest who get ignored, it's most others as well.

How many mmos celebrate Ramadan? Or Kwanzaa?

The holiday events in most mmo alienate many beliefs/cultures.

Would it be so bad to make the holiday events "generic" in tone? Why have "Christmas" instead of "Winter Festival"? Why have decorations of green and red tinsel everywhere with "Christmas trees"?

Why have Easter egg hunts in a game world where Easter wouldn't exist?

Why have "Halloween"? Why not a "Fall Festival" or "Solstice"?

It's not the events that are the problem.

The problem is lazy devs who don't want to take the time to be creative and give their worlds' inhabitants their own "holidays".

Let's say tomorrow we discovered five different planets filled with alien races and cultures.

Do you honestly think we'd find they all celebrate "Christmas" and "Easter" and "Thanksgiving"?

 

 

 

 

A lot of games do change the names. Alse they use the commercial ideas not ideas from the religion, it is still alienating other beliefs, however even christians will argue that these themes have nothing to do with what the holidays are about. So yeah they are generic. Also halloween isn't a recognized religious holiday.

You should really ask a Pagan their opinion on that. Or do you think a "holiday" is only "recognized" if your government slaps it on a calendar?

I chuckle at the whole 'it breaks immersion' argument.

This is fantasy, where almost anything can happen and be justified.

90% of the time you're playing in a world where trolls, elves and lizardmen can throw ice shards from their hands and travel the lands on giant eagles. I'm sure one could even find a game where high-horses are available as a mount, seems right up some's alley.

How dare those devs try to give us a little extra content!!!     /eyeroll

I don't really mind it as long as it fits the lore. Pumpkins belong in tsw, but in gw2 or wow it's really stupid to see them.

I'm an atheist too. Ingame there might be gods, but not outside :)

Originally posted by Saur0n
What's funny about atheists is they claim to BELIEVE that there is no higher power.

fixed for you.  And there probably shouldn't be a debate on religious views on these forums.

Personally, I love holiday events.  They shake things up a bit, allow the developers to do fun things (like any good event does).  It makes my holidays feel even more special (and amkes me feel less guity that I am playing a game instead of spending all my time with my family).

Finally, a thought on the title of the tread.  Given that most people play a limited number of MMOs at a time, why would it matter that most MMOs seem to have holiday events of some kind?  Maybe what you really want is for MMOs to have fewer holidays that have events...

EDIT:  clearly Tyfon isn't a fan of Mad King Thorn (from Guild Wars)

I sense a new campaign for separation of Church and Fiction.  Although one could argue that church is fiction, I won't go there.

I like it when MMOs celebrate the different holidays.  I can understand why someone might not like it, but I'm all for it.  I think it brings something familiar to the game world.  WOW does it best with Halloween.

10/10

You managed to troll hundreds.

OP no one if forcing you man. Besides its not "your" games its the devs they can do whatever they want. It's an American game so they follow american traditions. That is all it is bro. No reason to be offended. They are not peronally attacking you on purpose and there is not any hate meant in any of it.

To all the " I hate Atheists thing". Just STFU. Everyone is entitled to their own belief. People who bitch and try to force religion on people is what makes us religious types look bad. Everyone is a human being and is entilted your obligation to treat them as such.

Good day.

Oh i know! let's make an MMO that has ATHEISTS elements in it. Seriously man, things like these should not be made of a big deal. I'm an atheist as well but i really don't care if they hold this kind of events, you just can't expect things to run in favor of what you like,what you feel or in what you believe in especially in games.

Hi I'm athiest and I dislike people who are so elitist anything that can be celebrated is wrong attitude. Everyone is free to practice their own religion and having events that does coincide with a religion (or even if its not and just a day) isnt' bad. Theres plenty of ways to make the events work without having it 'break' the way the game acts. Events give a nice change up from the same old same old and most are quite optional to play through.

Most games already do some way link a holiday to lore so complaining its 'similiar' is just silly. 

It's easier to get people in the spirit when an in-game holiday coincides with a real world holiday. Developers can feed off the energy that the holidays bring to people.

Otherwise, it's just a thing. You might feel that way about holidays you don't believe in and don't want to participate in as well. That feeling of ambivalence is how most people would feel about a non-holiday in-game holiday.

Originally posted by TheAncient

There has been an awful trend of including holiday events in MMORPGs of late. I can see why some people might love them, but not everyone is into events which essentially are immersion breakers.

I'm an athiest, a middle aged athiest at that, so the idea of a heavily commercialised Christian or Pagan events changing what is meant to be escapist fun is not only anathema but downright intrusive. Celebrating Independance Day or Thanksgiving simply has no meaning where I live and has no relevance to the games either.

Why can we not have MMORPGs with unique holiday events tied to the lore of their particular worlds? That is something I could buy into and enjoy.

 

You what?

Now im a athiest as well but I love christmas and other holidays throughout the year.. not because they are linked to religion but because they help bring people togeather and anyone who rejects the good that comes from that needs to take a hard look in the mirror and ask whats wrong..

Either way the fact the devs do events is games si a great thing and usually helps inject somthing new into a game for a few week and thats not a bad thing at all..

Originally posted by TheAncient

There has been an awful trend of including holiday events in MMORPGs of late. I can see why some people might love them, but not everyone is into events which essentially are immersion breakers.

I'm an athiest, a middle aged athiest at that, so the idea of a heavily commercialised Christian or Pagan events changing what is meant to be escapist fun is not only anathema but downright intrusive. Celebrating Independance Day or Thanksgiving simply has no meaning where I live and has no relevance to the games either.

Why can we not have MMORPGs with unique holiday events tied to the lore of their particular worlds? That is something I could buy into and enjoy.

When I read this yesterday I had a serious reply, but I thought better of it.

First, holiday events in MMORPGs aren't a recent phenomena; they've been included in one form or another since the genre was introduced.

Second, I don't give a big rat's ass if you're an athiest. It's not something I need to know; and for the most part it's not even relevant to your gripe -- Independence Day and Thanksgiving are non secular observances.

For many years I played an MMORPG that incorporated the Chinese New Year. Now, I don't happen to be of Chinese heritage, but I don't recall getting my panties all wadded, except to the extent that ignorant little twits were constantly shooting off game-provided fireworks making the game lag horribly, but that's another issue altogether.

Back to the point of your atheism, even if I did give a shit, I'd remind you that there isn't one Judeo-Christian observance -- not one, nadda, none -- that isn't co-opted from some more archaic ritualistic or non secular observance. So, buy yourself a larger pair of briefs, and chill.

Finally, and this is really the point of this rejoinder: despite the fact most MMO developers adhere to the tedious theme that each player is the hero, saves the world, or otherwise has some profound affect on game play, I've got a dirty little secret for you -- that's not really the case. So, please sally forth with the knowledge that you are not the center of the universe afterall, and if you don't like it, by all means go do something else.

Not many people in this thread have a very firm grasp of atheism.

And the 'mock offended' troll?  I mean, dusting off a classic day?

Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

Why have Easter egg hunts in a game world where Easter wouldn't exist?

For the same reason that we have Easter eggs.

Honestly stop and think about that one and you've answered your own question. :)

Originally posted by Icewhite

Not many people in this thread have a very firm grasp on atheism.

I don't even think the OP does, as his issue is with real life traditions being celebrated in his virtual world, with several of his own examples completely unrelated to religion altogether.