Originally posted by sammyeli

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by sammyeli

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by Creslin321

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Because I am interested in the game? Despite all its flaws, and it has many, it is a significant change from the WoW-clone formula that has plagued the MMORPG scene for many years.

REALLY?????????????? you are interested in the game?????? REALLY????? you are going to make this statement. ROFL

 

that history button says otherwise but what ever I guess.

You can check a post from the end of May 2012 stating:

I agree with Lye when it comes to the concept of cloning: I really don't want 10 more years of WoW clones nor Guild Wars 2 clones with a twist. I prefer a varied MMORPG AAA market and I am glad that Arenanet chose the path of variation. 

About Rift: it shares far too many elements with WoW; that's it's problem. Its development started 2006, while GW2's started 2007, so it is hard to say who was first with the idea with dynamic events, they could have  thought of it independentely. 

Being different that does not mean that you are the first one to do it, it just means that you are different from the norm and the current norm is WoW. The dynamic events and the abolishment of the holy trinity, are two important aspects that make GW2 feel different.

Source: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5009101#5009101

Originally posted by FuryV

Originally posted by lifeordinary

Originally posted by ellobo29

I personaly LOVE casinos and gambling in mmos. (hate gambleiing in RL thou).

I wish they had an entire zone dedicated to it. It takes me back to ff7 silver nugget.... hmm those were the days....

*sigh*

Hey bro, newsflash... MMOs don't revolve around what YOU feel is needed in them.  Keep the gambling, if you don't like it don't play it, nobody's holding a gun to your head.  Or do you just have zero willpower?

ah one more post .. couldn't resist.

If MMO'ers had any willpower, then crappy games & all the WoW clones would stay on store shelves :P    ... just sayin'

Someone could be a really nice person, but put a rabbit critter in the game, and it's as good as dead.  Willpower when it comes to games is rare.

Idk saving my Gold, I was able to net me some skins off TP but oh well.

I also used 900 gems(Got them with Gold as well had no use of them) to convert  into Gold and just bought me 3 skins as well.

Greatsaw, staff(I think), and ghastly shield are expensive on TP but affordable.

It does sucks [some] of you guys where "scamed."  :(

Lol@ some of the agendas in this thread.

You guys be easy and make sure you enjoy life, peace. :D

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Originally posted by GrayGhost79

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Originally posted by Foomerang  

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Originally posted by Creslin321 For all the folks here raising torches and pitch forks over the atrocious "crime" of gambling in this game...you may want to go form your mob over at Topps' and Wizard of the Coast's headquarters first, considering they have been doing THE EXACT SAME THING with Baseball cards and Magic cards for MUCH longer than ANet has done it.   Seriously, buying a "random box of goodies" that may or may not have something you want in it is not new...not REMOTELY new.  All the cries of "injustice" around here are baffling to me.  Would you send Topps an angry email if you bought 100 boxes of baseball cards, but never got some rare card that you wanted?  NO!  Because YOU bought the cards, YOU knew what you were getting into. Oh and also, RARE drops are called RARE for a reason... THEY'RE RARE!

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  What does this have to do with anet claiming that sub fees are a scam and they can deliver the same quality mmo experience without one. Rng cash shop items are not a quality mmo experience imho. Sub fees dont force you to make monetary choices every time new content gets released. Sub fees dont screw with the game economy. Rng cash shop items do. Its mmo community poison. These decisions of what to buy, how much to gamble over items in a cash shop just cheapen the mmorpg experience. Maybe im just old school, but id rather just pay a sub and have the devs leave me and my wallet in peace to role play my little dude around.

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Thankfully if thats what you want you are in luck. Keys are obtainable in game, chests are obtainable in game, Gems can be purchased with in game gold. So... your wallet is left alone. 

Great that you have a choice isn't it?  So you are delivered the same as a pay to play the option is there if you want to use cash though. Are you saying the issue is your ability to control yourself?

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The baseball card analogy is garbage because there never was an option to just pay a flat fee for a guaranteed couple rare cards a month. The game is to gamble with your money. That may fly at the card shop because thats the only game that is played in trading rare cards. But in an mmorpg, a decent mmorpg, these types of mechanics are non conducive to the actual gameplay.

Those are my personal feelings on the matter and dont reflect any sort of group or set of rules hehe. Just my opinion.

While a minority of people may be claiming false advertising and the ever  popular 'MONEY BACK' I think most people are just arguing for better rates. 

If thousands of people have been slighted already (or feel they have been whether accurately or not) and this is the 1st 24 hours of the 1st event ever, ANet will have a difficult time getting more people psyched about future such. It might be alright to tie a potential money making opportunity into these events but you sure as heck don't expect to make the money all in one go. Burn people the 1st time and the return on the 2nd will be substantially less.

Even if they get to the end and say 'well...for all those who participated we'll give a booby prize' they end up looking the boobies. People aren't stupid or wiling to take it they way they used to be. Burn them and you end up getting burned yourself.

Originally posted by Purutzil

Originally posted by someforumguy

I find the complaints also silly. You complain about having bad luck basically. This does not mean that I defend the gemstore btw.

I just can't get my head around it how this works for some ppl. Maybe like this:

Player : 'So if I buy one of those keys to open a chest , will I get that skin?'

A-net : 'No, there is no guarantee. It is random'

Player :'Hmm, so let's say the chance on getting those skins is 1%. Right! I'll buy 100 keys that is 100x 1%=100% chance!  '

A-net : Oh yeah, buy you are smart why don't you do that ^{and make us rich}

Real response of A-Net. They know full well what they are doing, else it wouldn't be gamling. :) They want to make the most money and if games like Grand Fantasia has proved, if you gamble for the stuff you get, people are a lot more likely to spend cash on it in quite great amounts.

The Black Lion's chest already gave random rewards from gamelaunch, with chance percentages that no one cared about. I have been against the chests from the beginning. Well, from the moment I realised that the key:chest drop ratio was about 1:15. So to me it was a real obvious way of telling you that Anet wants you to buy the keys. I didn't like it in Fallen Earth (where the ratio even seems worse) and I don't like it now in GW2.

I didn't expect this to change. Anet never claimed either that you were guaranteed those skins if you bought x amount of keys.

But this has nothing to do with ppl buying keys and then complaining that they didn't get the items they wanted. That is just sheer stupidity to complain about that. It sucks yes, but how can you not realise that you were just out of luck and thats it? It is so hypocrite to now start crying scam, because your own greed kicked you in the behind the moment that Anet happens to put items in the chests that you do want.

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by sammyeli

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by Creslin321

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by Creslin321

For all the folks here raising torches and pitch forks over the atrocious "crime" of gambling in this game...you may want to go form your mob over at Topps' and Wizard of the Coast's headquarters first, considering they have been doing THE EXACT SAME THING with Baseball cards and Magic cards for MUCH longer than ANet has done it.

Seriously, buying a "random box of goodies" that may or may not have something you want in it is not new...not REMOTELY new.  All the cries of "injustice" around here are baffling to me. 

Would you send Topps an angry email if you bought 100 boxes of baseball cards, but never got some rare card that you wanted?  NO!  Because YOU bought the cards, YOU knew what you were getting into.

Oh and also, RARE drops are called RARE for a reason...

THEY'RE RARE!

 

Just because it isn't new, it doesn't mean that we have to think it is okay, specially when a company is trying to achieve many "good" things at the same time. It really stains the game and that is a shame.

 So just to be clear, you think that any of the many, many companies listed here are all the scum of the earth?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_collectible_card_games

I'm sorry, I know you have your opinion, but I think it's ridiculous.  It makes no sense to me why you have such a holier than thou attitude about something that is so freaking common-place that the list of CCGs on Wikipedia requires a separate section for each LETTER of the alphabet.

Dare I say that you are just going on a rant about something that you don't really feel strongly about simply because a game you don't like is doing it?  Because after all, if you have such deep-seated hatred toward random rewards, why have you not protested them in the billion of other forums that you could...like I dunno...forums dedicated to CCGs?

Just because companies do bad things, it doesn't automatically make them scum of the Earth. There are far worse things one can do as a company. However, if the probabilities are clearly shared with the customers or the rarest cards have a high chance to be dropped (say 10-20% perhaps?) then may even be acceptable because a customer would then be able to figure out how hard it is to get the rarest cards.

 

As for complaining about CCGs: I am not interested in them, which is why I don't post in such forums. Gambling in MMORPGs is though related to one of my hobbies: MMORPGs. 

 

But then you are not interested in this game, so why even worry about it, I mean if they were to take it out these things supposed "Gambling" you are still not going to play the game. So why F*&^ are you wasting your time here and posting stupid A** Sh** constantly, and this goes for the rest also, why F*** are you posting here when you don't give 2 Sh** about the game, I just do not understand this logic.

 

I mean I know common sense is no longer common , but I didn't knwo it had dropped to this level O_O

 

Because I am interested in the game? Despite all its flaws, and it has many, it is a significant change from the WoW-clone formula that has plagued the MMORPG scene for many years. I prefer variation to be strong within any genre.

If  GW2 is a game you like, then I would be really afraid to see what you have to say about a game you dislike lol :).

I have a dozen or so keys to burn up on chests but I'm not sure if I'll bother. Might just wait and see whats available for Wintersday event. I won't be spending any money on keys, or any outfits except a little in game gold.

So for all the people that decide to spend a bunch of money, or even just get lucky, congrats and I'll be one of the people that are happily jealous of what skins you have.

Originally posted by Digna

While a minority of people may be claiming false advertising and the ever  popular 'MONEY BACK' I think most people are just arguing for better rates. 

If thousands of people have been slighted already (or feel they have been whether accurately or not) and this is the 1st 24 hours of the 1st event ever, ANet will have a difficult time getting more people psyched about future such. It might be alright to tie a potential money making opportunity into these events but you sure as heck don't expect to make the money all in one go. Burn people the 1st time and the return on the 2nd will be substantially less.

Even if they get to the end and say 'well...for all those who participated we'll give a booby prize' they end up looking the boobies. People aren't stupid or wiling to take it they way they used to be. Burn them and you end up getting burned yourself.

 

 

That I won't argue with, the rates are pretty abysmal. They really should be upped. I agree and have no issue discussing that point. 

Originally posted by bunnyhopper

Well that's pretty funny, a "not entitled post" which is in defence of a cash shop, something partly brought into being to monetize the whole "I WANT IT NOW!!!!!" crowd.

OP appears to be using "entitled" in a sense which has now been largely superceded (a pet peeve of mine, but language does mutate -- I hesitate to say "evolve" in this instance -- over time), i.e. "having a  just claim or a right" (to something), not the increasingly common modern sense of "falsely or delusionally believing oneself to have a right or just claim."

(see Concise Oxford dictionary, 9th ed., 1995, s.v. "entitle").

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by lifeordinary
I would rather have companies not implement gambling and lotteries in MMOS  And i wish players wuld stop encouraging and defending companies for such activities.

 

i remember doing a dungeon in wow back in the day and a piece of nice gear dropped and the roll table came up asking me to roll or pass.. i was like gee i don't know I can't be doing this it's like gambling... i mean basically I'm paying $15 a month to run through these dungeons and roll for a random chance to get rare loot...  

yes I feel these posts have gotten as ridiculous as what i posted above.

 

 

A very desperate attempt at reaching to make your point but nope sorry i disagree. And yes after reading your post i am pretty sure that the white knighting for Anet has gone to ridiculous levels.

To be more clear, i do not condon use of real life cash for lotteries and gambling in any MMO period. I could care less what  other MMO company is doing it.

Comparing a loot roll in dungeon to an event designed specificaly to encourage gambling was the most desperate attempt  to defend Anet. it will be hard to beat this.

Originally posted by lifeordinary

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by lifeordinary
I would rather have companies not implement gambling and lotteries in MMOS  And i wish players wuld stop encouraging and defending companies for such activities.

 

i remember doing a dungeon in wow back in the day and a piece of nice gear dropped and the roll table came up asking me to roll or pass.. i was like gee i don't know I can't be doing this it's like gambling... i mean basically I'm paying $15 a month to run through these dungeons and roll for a random chance to get rare loot...  

yes I feel these posts have gotten as ridiculous as what i posted above.

 

 

A very desperate attempt at reaching to make your point but nope sorry i disagree. And yes after reading your post i am prettu sure that the level of white knighting for Anet has gone to ridiculous levels.

To be more clear, i do not condon use of real life cash for lotteries and gamblign in any MMO period. I could care less what MMO company is doing it.

Comparing a loot roll in dungeon to en event designed specificaly to encourage gambling was the most desperate attempt  to defend Anet. it will be hard to beat this.

lol again another missed my point completely my god lighten up people...

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. My opinion is that RNG on cash shop items is the lowest form of cash shop shenanigans, the worst F2P titles have this kind of item, Atlantica Online being the worst example I've played, didn't get involved with buying RNG stuff from them either. What happened to B2P being this amazing model that would see the death of sub based games? The cash shop is starting to feel like any other number of F2P titles except we bought the client,is that going to be the only difference?

I think GW2 is an amazing game and has a far higher quality to it than any other F2P title, I just don't want to see the shop interfere so much in festive events, why should Halloween skins be rare? They weren't in GW, we all got the hats and drops for the events, no grind necessary and no gambling of cash either. It's a massive shift from the Anet I loved in GW and during development of GW2, a shift I certainly don't approve of either.

They handled it badly, "look folks special halloween stuff", dangle that carrot and then make the RNG rate incredibly low (currently it's estimated at .0120%, see this guru thread). They are getting a tonne of negative feedback, I'm hoping they learn a lesson, if they don't then the painting is on the wall and we know where we stand, my respect for them will take a nosedive for sure, at the moment I'm hoping they do the right thing by not repeating this kind of cash shop RNG nonsense.

No matter how much you try to cover it up or use other examples to justify it, it's still encouraging gambling with real money, personally I have a problem with that, if you don't that's fine but my opinion is just as valid and I'm entitled to it.

Originally posted by lifeordinary

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by lifeordinary
I would rather have companies not implement gambling and lotteries in MMOS  And i wish players wuld stop encouraging and defending companies for such activities.

 

i remember doing a dungeon in wow back in the day and a piece of nice gear dropped and the roll table came up asking me to roll or pass.. i was like gee i don't know I can't be doing this it's like gambling... i mean basically I'm paying $15 a month to run through these dungeons and roll for a random chance to get rare loot...  

yes I feel these posts have gotten as ridiculous as what i posted above.

 

 

A very desperate attempt at reaching to make your point but nope sorry i disagree. And yes after reading your post i am pretty sure that the white knighting for Anet has gone to ridiculous levels.

To be more clear, i do not condon use of real life cash for lotteries and gambling in any MMO period. I could care less what  other MMO company is doing it.

Comparing a loot roll in dungeon to an event designed specificaly to encourage gambling was the most desperate attempt  to defend Anet. it will be hard to beat this.

LOL What?????? I bought 8000 gems when I heard there is going to be this event roughly 150 gold worth, now I can use them, I dunno where this really money is required thing you are getting. 

Originally posted by sammyeli

Originally posted by lifeordinary

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by lifeordinary
I would rather have companies not implement gambling and lotteries in MMOS  And i wish players wuld stop encouraging and defending companies for such activities.

 

i remember doing a dungeon in wow back in the day and a piece of nice gear dropped and the roll table came up asking me to roll or pass.. i was like gee i don't know I can't be doing this it's like gambling... i mean basically I'm paying $15 a month to run through these dungeons and roll for a random chance to get rare loot...  

yes I feel these posts have gotten as ridiculous as what i posted above.

 

 

A very desperate attempt at reaching to make your point but nope sorry i disagree. And yes after reading your post i am pretty sure that the white knighting for Anet has gone to ridiculous levels.

To be more clear, i do not condon use of real life cash for lotteries and gambling in any MMO period. I could care less what  other MMO company is doing it.

Comparing a loot roll in dungeon to an event designed specificaly to encourage gambling was the most desperate attempt  to defend Anet. it will be hard to beat this.

LOL What?????? I bought 8000 gems when I heard there is going to be this event roughly 150 gold worth, now I can use them, I dunno where this really money is required thing you are getting. 

Good for you but you doesnt' equal to entire gameing population. I doubt average player is sitting on pile of gold to convert it to  gems or vice versa.

Anet has the real data with how much a player on average has gold and so far their plan is working because people are spending obscene amount of cash on gems and keys.

There is a topic on official forums about how much gold players have and most of the responses said around 10 to 20 gold.

So if you are not sitting on heap of gold then only option is to spend cash to get more gems and convert them to gold to buy skins off the TP.

Anet could have made these items available through other halloween activities but there is no profit in that because whether you spend money on keys or on gems to convert them to gold to buy skins from TP. In both situations Anet wins.

If Anet made these skins avilable through halloween activities they get nothing.

Originally posted by lifeordinary

Originally posted by sammyeli

Originally posted by lifeordinary

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by lifeordinary
I would rather have companies not implement gambling and lotteries in MMOS  And i wish players wuld stop encouraging and defending companies for such activities.

 

i remember doing a dungeon in wow back in the day and a piece of nice gear dropped and the roll table came up asking me to roll or pass.. i was like gee i don't know I can't be doing this it's like gambling... i mean basically I'm paying $15 a month to run through these dungeons and roll for a random chance to get rare loot...  

yes I feel these posts have gotten as ridiculous as what i posted above.

 

 

A very desperate attempt at reaching to make your point but nope sorry i disagree. And yes after reading your post i am pretty sure that the white knighting for Anet has gone to ridiculous levels.

To be more clear, i do not condon use of real life cash for lotteries and gambling in any MMO period. I could care less what  other MMO company is doing it.

Comparing a loot roll in dungeon to an event designed specificaly to encourage gambling was the most desperate attempt  to defend Anet. it will be hard to beat this.

LOL What?????? I bought 8000 gems when I heard there is going to be this event roughly 150 gold worth, now I can use them, I dunno where this really money is required thing you are getting. 

Good for you but you doesnt' equal to entire gameing population. I doubt average player is sitting on pile of gold to convert it to thpusand of gems gems or vice versa.

Anet has the real data with how much a player on average has gold and so far their plan is working because people are spending obscene amount of cash on gems and keys.

There is a topic on official forums about how much gold players have and most of the responses said around 10 to 20 gold.

So if you are not sitting on heap of gold then only option is to spend cash to get more gems and convert them to gold to buy skins of the TP.

 

I help everyone in my guild and show them how to make the gold, 80% of my guild at a minimum sitting on 100+ gold, its because we help each other, and there are so many guides on how to get gold, as a matter of fact I have personally helped players randomly when they ask how people make money, and they have had great things to say after they have made it, 1 gold is all you need to start I can say this without a doubt that you can make 20/30 g within the first 7 days andd then use that to make 60/70 next week and it just starts climbing.

Here I'll leave you a tip buy/sell traveler gear may it be armor,sigil or runes, the higher the better in return. Use the API thats up on gw2db.com. 

There is no such thing there are more people spending cash or spending gold to convert to gems, we just do not knwo that, majority of the players are not on the forums, looking at this thread there are about 5 or 6 people complaining that they have these numbers where it shows how much cash is being given to anet, its all opinions, unless you have some facts do not turn opinion of some into facts.

Originally posted by sammyeli

 

I help everyone in my guild and show them how to make the gold, 80% of my guild at a minimum sitting on 100+ gold, its because we help each other, and there are so many guides on how to get gold, as a matter of fact I have personally helped players randomly when they ask how people make money, and they have had great things to say after they have made it, 1 gold is all you need to start I can say this without a doubt that you can make 20/30 g within the first 7 days andd then use that to make 60/70 next week and it just starts climbing.

 

Here I'll leave you a tip buy/sell traveler gear may it be armor,sigil or runes, the higher the better in return. Use the API thats up on gw2db.com. 

 

There is no such thing there are more people spending cash or spending gold to convert to gems, we just do not knwo that, majority of the players are not on the forums, looking at this thread there are about 5 or 6 people complaining that they have these numbers where it shows how much cash is being given to anet, its all opinions, unless you have some facts do not turn opinion of some into facts.

You will never get exact statistics from any forums but if i had to trust a sample for such stastics i would rather pay attention to official forums. However, i never said 'majority' or 'most' of the people are broke or can't afford gems with gold made through playing. Because i don't want to answer your assumptions with my own.

But logic states that Anet has the data and they know how much gold on average a player has and how many would be willing to spend cash for keys and gems to maximise their profit. Whenever such changes or events happen they are very carefully planned by the companies. Anet knows what they are doing.

If they really had no intention to maximize their profit and encourage lottery system they could have easily made these skins avilable through halloween events. But if they did that they make no profit. So working as intended.

Originally posted by lifeordinary

 

You will never get exact statistics from any forums but if i had to trust a sample for such stastics i would rather pay attention to official forums. However, i never said 'majority' or 'most' of the people are broke or can't afford gems with gold made through playing. Because i don't want to answer your assumptions with my own.

But logic states that Anet has the data and they know how much gold on average a player has and how many would be willing to spend cash for keys and gems to maximise their profit. Whenever such changes or events happen they are very carefully planned by the companies. Anet knows what they are doing.

If they really had no intention to maximize their profit and encourage lottery system they could have easily made these skins avilable through halloween events. But if they did that they make no profit. So working as intended.

they are available throught the event for a very small silver fee(more will be added as the acts go on much like Rift).. the permanent ones are rare but you can still enjoy cool holiday skins throught the entire event without resorting to rare black lion chest finds

Originally posted by Foomerang

 

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Originally posted by Aerowyn

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Originally posted by lifeordinary I would rather have companies not implement gambling and lotteries in MMOS  And i wish players wuld stop encouraging and defending companies for such activities.

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i remember doing a dungeon in wow back in the day and a piece of nice gear dropped and the roll table came up asking me to roll or pass.. i was like gee i don't know I can't be doing this it's like gambling... i mean basically I'm paying $15 a month to run through these dungeons and roll for a random chance to get rare loot...  

yes I feel these posts have gotten as ridiculous as what i posted above.

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So you're using crappy wow loot mechanics from 2006 to offset this shit anet is pulling today? Most sub based loot systems have evolved past the old wow style, even wow. What anet is doing is straight up f2p style cash grab fleecing.

So what is Trion doing with locking BiS behind long term raid progression in a game where you pay by the month?  Pot meet kettle.  Oh NIMBY.