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  SaintPhilip

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Posts: 729

 
OP  10/23/12 2:24:41 PM#1

Since my other thread was locked and I was attacked for saying that SV was going to beg for more money - I was RIGHT, and NOW its official.

"After a community forum thread got us thinking about a donation system, we've decided to run with it. Very soon we'll be opening up a new section on our website allowing you to contribute to Mortal Online's development outside standard subscriptions. It'll work something like Kickstarter does, only we'll be handling it on our own. You'll receive cool perks for donating. The more you wish to donate the more you'll receive. We'll unveil just what these things are shortly, but we will NEVER introduce anything that will give you an advantage in the game. We're talking cosmetic and just simply cool things here.


One of the reason we decided to go with this now is that the system in place for it is also required for veteran rewards. So, those are on the horizon now. They're coming fairly soon. 
http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/threads/new-dev-blog-from-paratus.80051/  edit: fixed link?

Anyhow, they decided to "run with it" =)

MO also has announced many other lulzworthy things in their "announcment" (right before Darkfall is re-released they are throwing some shiney things at the...er...customers/victims- AND will soon be begging for donations on top of it all.

EDIT: here is the other thread which became locked- The one where I was essentially told I was mistaken about the said BEGGING. http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/366933/SV-to-beg-for-more-money.html

-No appology nesassary =)

But now lets discuss THIS and not whether I am mistaken or not...

  Burntvet

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10/23/12 2:46:08 PM#2

And people actually pay money to this company for anything?

 

  w4ffl3

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Posts: 36

10/23/12 2:47:42 PM#3
Well, I'm sure it'll net them some money, but there's no way it will give them more than a month of extra leeway.  They're still hemmorhaging money to the tune of $30K USD every month, if I remember correctly, and no donation scheme is going to make up that difference--they need regular subscribers, there's no way around that..  I'd be surprised if they raised more than $10K.  
  SaintPhilip

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Joined: 3/22/12
Posts: 729

 
OP  10/23/12 2:54:31 PM#4
Originally posted by w4ffl3
Well, I'm sure it'll net them some money, but there's no way it will give them more than a month of extra leeway.  They're still hemmorhaging money to the tune of $30K USD every month, if I remember correctly, and no donation scheme is going to make up that difference--they need regular subscribers, there's no way around that..  I'd be surprised if they raised more than $10K.  

How true your words are-

Now, with any dev time being used to implement the donation scam...er...scheme and the "cool rewards" is taking away from actually fixing the most broken game in History (after 2+ years of the SAME bugs)- There is NO WAY they wioll net enough to hire anyone.

More money will not make Seb learn to program nor will it make the much needed work on this "game" get done any faster...This will all go into the black hole of Henrick-

This should be a slap in the face to everyone supporting them after all this time and sttill playing a broken game-

  YojimboBimbo

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Joined: 9/25/12
Posts: 174

10/23/12 2:55:31 PM#5

Saint is back!  This is just a ploy to divert attention away from Darkfall.  SV refused to answer questions about how donations funds would be used to actually improve the game in their last thread and these fools are willing to toss them more money in hopes of plugging the hole in this sinking ship.  

The arena idea is silly as well.  Henrik himself said they would not be developing new content I don't see why they are adding an arena when that is all the game is anyhow.  One big deathmatch arena.

 

Henrik himself said the following:

"I dont know how many times we have stated, the only thing we are doing now is polishing and bug fixing, look at our patch notes after awakening. We do not work on new features, we still polish and tweak the game and remove bugs. This is still what we are doing.

Thanks"

Today they announce they are adding some in new content...

  Hancakes

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Posts: 1106

10/23/12 2:57:07 PM#6
A fool and his money.
  Slapshot1188

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Joined: 5/06/07
Posts: 4113

10/23/12 5:44:54 PM#7

1. Interesting that the linked thread was started by the person who recently announced they will be writing a review of the game for a website.

 

2. Regarding the Veteran Rewards and coming soon please refer to this post from SV spokesperson 8+ months ago where he announced that the Veteran Reward Design was "complete": http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4743919 Or here from a post back in 2011 where the SV spokesperson announces that these Veteran Rewards would be rolled out "shortly": http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4587075 (Side note... best part was it was in response to a claim I made about them over promising and under delivering and advising them to stop over-hyping and setting themselves up for more failures)

 

3. Regarding the donations, I am actually fine with that.  If someone wants to pledge $1000 heck it's a free country (or in this case. multiple countries).  I think it does speak to the financial state of the company, but as long as everyone is a consenting adult... and SV actually delivers what they promise for the pledge.. well.. that's between them and the pledgers.

 

 

"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

  Darkcrystal

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10/23/12 5:53:47 PM#8

Please Delete this Thread, this is clearly trolling, and baiting.

 

 

PS: There is nothing wrong with any company looking for donations to help the game that they love, I love for the OP to make a game,  fact start out with a easy flash game he would be lost.. I love people who bash Indie's when they have never made a game in there life and have no idea the time and money it costs...

 

 

Mommys credit card doesn't count..    He deserved that by the way././

  Darkcrystal

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Joined: 5/06/10
Posts: 761

10/23/12 6:00:31 PM#9
Originally posted by YojimboBimbo

Saint is back!  This is just a ploy to divert attention away from Darkfall.  SV refused to answer questions about how donations funds would be used to actually improve the game in their last thread and these fools are willing to toss them more money in hopes of plugging the hole in this sinking ship.  

The arena idea is silly as well.  Henrik himself said they would not be developing new content I don't see why they are adding an arena when that is all the game is anyhow.  One big deathmatch arena.

 

Henrik himself said the following:

"I dont know how many times we have stated, the only thing we are doing now is polishing and bug fixing, look at our patch notes after awakening. We do not work on new features, we still polish and tweak the game and remove bugs. This is still what we are doing.

Thanks"

Today they announce they are adding some in new content...

Not saying what this company does is smart because they are an Indie company they will mess up alot, and if you made a company you would mess up as well, if you think you would do better by all means, when designing a game, things change and fast, it happens, sometimes you can't help it....

 

Heck when I Model texture stuff for the company I work for I change stuff all the time , thats game design, alot of the time, I have modeled, textured something fully for it to end up in the trash because the lead designer decided to change the game, thats life, the first few times, it pisses you off, but then you get used to it, because thats game design, get used to it.

 

I wish for one week every gamer would work as a game designer, there minds would change real fast, not saying every game designer is God, because we are not, we are people to, but people do not give them enough respect and thats why , you guys will continue to see your WOW clones, and Indies are not gonna bother, because of the trolling and negative comments, I would never ever make a MMO for gamers, they don't deserve it....

 

I would rather make an Iphone game, I have, and flash games, I have, than Make MMo's for people, just to pick on little things time and time again, atleast with flash and Iphone games, the people actually respect you... Alot less whining thats for sure... I now work for a company that does everything but MMo's I would never work on another MMo if someone paid me a million dollars because of the way people act...

 

Sad to because I love MMo's but Indies devs are a dieing breed, and thats why you people can enjoy your WOW clones...

  RefMinor

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Posts: 3542

Hipster

10/23/12 6:04:57 PM#10
Originally posted by Darkcrystal

Please Delete this Thread, this is clearly trolling, and baiting.

 

 

PS: There is nothing wrong with any company looking for donations to help the game that they love, I love for the OP to make a game,  fact start out with a easy flash game he would be lost.. I love people who bash Indie's when they have never made a game in there life and have no idea the time and money it costs...

 

 

Mommys credit card doesn't count..    He deserved that by the way././

Isn't the whole of MO built on Daddy's credit card?

  GrayGhost79

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Joined: 8/30/08
Posts: 4888

10/23/12 6:16:23 PM#11
Originally posted by Darkcrystal
Originally posted by YojimboBimbo

Saint is back!  This is just a ploy to divert attention away from Darkfall.  SV refused to answer questions about how donations funds would be used to actually improve the game in their last thread and these fools are willing to toss them more money in hopes of plugging the hole in this sinking ship.  

The arena idea is silly as well.  Henrik himself said they would not be developing new content I don't see why they are adding an arena when that is all the game is anyhow.  One big deathmatch arena.

 

Henrik himself said the following:

"I dont know how many times we have stated, the only thing we are doing now is polishing and bug fixing, look at our patch notes after awakening. We do not work on new features, we still polish and tweak the game and remove bugs. This is still what we are doing.

Thanks"

Today they announce they are adding some in new content...

Not saying what this company does is smart because they are an Indie company they will mess up alot, and if you made a company you would mess up as well, if you think you would do better by all means, when designing a game, things change and fast, it happens, sometimes you can't help it....

 

Heck when I Model texture stuff for the company I work for I change stuff all the time , thats game design, alot of the time, I have modeled, textured something fully for it to end up in the trash because the lead designer decided to change the game, thats life, the first few times, it pisses you off, but then you get used to it, because thats game design, get used to it.

 

I wish for one week every gamer would work as a game designer, there minds would change real fast, not saying every game designer is God, because we are not, we are people to, but people do not give them enough respect and thats why , you guys will continue to see your WOW clones, and Indies are not gonna bother, because of the trolling and negative comments, I would never ever make a MMO for gamers, they don't deserve it....

 

I would rather make an Iphone game, I have, and flash games, I have, than Make MMo's for people, just to pick on little things time and time again, atleast with flash and Iphone games, the people actually respect you... Alot less whining thats for sure... I now work for a company that does everything but MMo's I would never work on another MMo if someone paid me a million dollars because of the way people act...

 

Sad to because I love MMo's but Indies devs are a dieing breed, and thats why you people can enjoy your WOW clones...

Little things? We are talking about a developer that managed to accidentally delete an entire city then refused to replace what they caused players to lose lol... 

 

 

 

  SaintPhilip

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Joined: 3/22/12
Posts: 729

 
OP  10/23/12 6:24:18 PM#12
Originally posted by Darkcrystal

Please Delete this Thread, this is clearly trolling, and baiting.

 

 

PS: There is nothing wrong with any company looking for donations to help the game that they love, I love for the OP to make a game,  fact start out with a easy flash game he would be lost.. I love people who bash Indie's when they have never made a game in there life and have no idea the time and money it costs...

 

 

Mommys credit card doesn't count..    He deserved that by the way././

Funny- last week when this information was posted (but not an "official" announcment) I was "trolling" by (and I paraphrase) "Taking some 'random' persons post out of 'context'" and "SV never said this..."

This week it becomes an official announcment and I get stellar responses such as this and the person who gives the old" You cant make a game better" excuse.

EDIT: FOR the millionth time. The "you cannot make a better game excuse" which MO supporters seem to think is the best answer to critics- Fails... No, I cannot make a game better. This is why I do not sell a game and any attempts I take to "make" or "mod" a game (I do this BTW- Both make and Mod games which are not professional AT ALL) are FREELY given.

You see, if you sell a product- You are a "PRO". Period. And another persona skill level (the customers) has no bearing on anything . Most people buy a product or service which is FAR SUPERIOR than what they themselves can do, or why ever pay someone for anything???

This is why when someone takes your money for a product and service- There are certain exprectations and should those not be met the consumer has every right to complain whether or not "they can do it better..."

If I put a roof on your house and it leaked the next year OR wired your house and only half the rooms worked- If

a) I did it FREE and expressed that I am an amature- You have NO RIGHT to complain.

b) paid $$$ for my work- You have EVERY right to post bad reviews EVERYWHERE and let others know. Post on Rip Off Reports etc- if I were to make fun of you and your concerns (as Seb clearly did- In the case of MO) or have folks say "Well, since you cannot wire your house any better than the Electrician you PAID- You have no right to complain"

-See how utterly DUMB that line of thinking is? God I hope so because its MOs #1 excuse for its "fans"

-----------------------------------------Edit over-.

Look- Sebastion made a post the other week making any paying players his bitches, making fun of their grammar and concerns- SV has NOT 1 competent dev- NOT 1.  Game needs millions of fixes and promised content fixed/non placeholder/implimented.

NOW Sv is going to pull (an incompetent- but the best they have...) dev to make fluff items for those who "donate" and "the more they donate the more they can get" when 100% should be placed on fixing the current game not adding things for folks who PAY MOAR MONEYZ.

-Anyhow...

  YojimboBimbo

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Posts: 174

10/23/12 6:55:57 PM#13
Originally posted by SaintPhilip
Originally posted by Darkcrystal

Please Delete this Thread, this is clearly trolling, and baiting.

 

 

PS: There is nothing wrong with any company looking for donations to help the game that they love, I love for the OP to make a game,  fact start out with a easy flash game he would be lost.. I love people who bash Indie's when they have never made a game in there life and have no idea the time and money it costs...

 

 

Mommys credit card doesn't count..    He deserved that by the way././

Funny- last week when this information was posted (but not an "official" announcment) I was "trolling" by (and I paraphrase) "Taking some 'random' persons post out of 'context'" and "SV never said this..."

This week it becomes an official announcment and I get stellar responses such as this and the person who gives the old" You cant make a game better" excuse.

Look- Sebastion made a post the other week making any paying players his bitches, making fun of their grammar and concerns- SV has NOT 1 competent dev- NOT 1.  Game needs millions of fixes and promised content fixed/non placeholder/implimented.

NOW Sv is going to pull (an incompetent- but the best they have...) dev to make fluff items for those who "donate" and "the more they donate the more they can get" when 100% should be placed on fixing the current game not adding things for folks who PAY MOAR MONEYZ.

-Anyhow...

I can't build a car so I am not able to complain when it ends up being a peice of shit?  gtfo DarkCrystal

My beef is Seb basically said the issues with the game were a matter of not having enough time.  Henrik said they were not going to release new content as well.  How does extra money help Seb work faster then he already does?  Wouldn't new content and additions slow that down further?  Players cry for all these fixes with current systems and SV's response after saying they would not do this is to release more new content?  Just sad to be honest.

  SaintPhilip

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Joined: 3/22/12
Posts: 729

 
OP  10/23/12 7:10:38 PM#14
Originally posted by YojimboBimbo
Originally posted by SaintPhilip
Originally posted by Darkcrystal

Please Delete this Thread, this is clearly trolling, and baiting.

 

 

PS: There is nothing wrong with any company looking for donations to help the game that they love, I love for the OP to make a game,  fact start out with a easy flash game he would be lost.. I love people who bash Indie's when they have never made a game in there life and have no idea the time and money it costs...

 

 

Mommys credit card doesn't count..    He deserved that by the way././

Funny- last week when this information was posted (but not an "official" announcment) I was "trolling" by (and I paraphrase) "Taking some 'random' persons post out of 'context'" and "SV never said this..."

This week it becomes an official announcment and I get stellar responses such as this and the person who gives the old" You cant make a game better" excuse.

Look- Sebastion made a post the other week making any paying players his bitches, making fun of their grammar and concerns- SV has NOT 1 competent dev- NOT 1.  Game needs millions of fixes and promised content fixed/non placeholder/implimented.

NOW Sv is going to pull (an incompetent- but the best they have...) dev to make fluff items for those who "donate" and "the more they donate the more they can get" when 100% should be placed on fixing the current game not adding things for folks who PAY MOAR MONEYZ.

-Anyhow...

I can't build a car so I am not able to complain when it ends up being a peice of shit?  gtfo DarkCrystal

My beef is Seb basically said the issues with the game were a matter of not having enough time.  Henrik said they were not going to release new content as well.  How does extra money help Seb work faster then he already does?  Wouldn't new content and additions slow that down further?  Players cry for all these fixes with current systems and SV's response after saying they would not do this is to release more new content?  Just sad to be honest.

100% correct.

Where dio you think SV will be shifting focus now? Their "limited" Dev staff will be working to make "cool" items/rewards for those who "donate". The "limited" Dev staff will not be working so hard on fixing the game for everyone  because they will be busy making items for those who will PAY MOAR MONEY.

Its simple math and I am astounded people are okay with this... Its not as if things are being fixed in a timely manner and they are now adding a new methos to (eventually) speed development... This will SLOW development and fixes for everyone inm leiu of shifting focus to net more money (but not enough money to actually hire anyone to speed development)

They cannot fix the bugs as it is. Content comes at a snails pace.

Paying them extra will actually slow everything down.

  Hancakes

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10/23/12 10:16:46 PM#15
Originally posted by SaintPhilip

The one where I was essentially told I was mistaken about the said BEGGING. http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/366933/SV-to-beg-for-more-money.html

-No appology nesassary =)

But now lets discuss THIS and not whether I am mistaken or not...

 

Im assuming this money wont have to be reported as income (investors) and will go directly into SV pocket?

 

Its always the same strategy by the SV Brain Trust.

1.  Try to discredit ...fail

2.  Attack poster...fail

3.  Retreat

 

 

  FrodoFragins

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10/23/12 10:21:37 PM#16
I don't see the big deal.  A struggling game has players willing to pay more to keep it running.
  FastSloth

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10/23/12 11:44:25 PM#17

This makes me wonder if I can get my own group of mentally retarded group of geese that lay golden eggs that feed on nothing but broken promises. And I'd say, I probably can.

 

Maybe they can use the money to buy Henrik a dictionary? Here's the longest version of "we don't want to pay for a translator" - which is only a coverup for "we don't have any lore for our game" too:

 

"We would more than be happy to share more lore about the world we play in.
The only issue as before is that we first wrote it in advanced Swedish, making it very hard to translate it into proper English with the same meanings. I wish we could lend this to a professorial translator, but it cost a lot of money and time, since it must be cross checked back with the Swedish meaning.

We do have contact with good English writers, but they don't know Swedish. So we are in a rough spot when it comes to share more lore from the Swedish written one."

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/threads/henrik.80013/page-2#post-1382738

 

Advanced Swedish. The most complicated language known to man. Translation impossibru. ...inb4 SV-affiliates telling me that advanced Swedish is really impossible to turn into proper English.

 

3...2...1... XD

  Hancakes

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10/23/12 11:54:11 PM#18
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
I don't see the big deal.  A struggling game has players willing to pay more to keep it running.

But SVs doing great.. " will have 500000 players, servers in China and publishers are knocking the door down"

  OG_Zorvan

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10/23/12 11:55:17 PM#19
Originally posted by Darkcrystal

Please Delete this Thread, this is clearly trolling, and baiting.

 

 

PS: There is nothing wrong with any company looking for donations to help the game that they love, I love for the OP to make a game,  fact start out with a easy flash game he would be lost.. I love people who bash Indie's when they have never made a game in there life and have no idea the time and money it costs...

 

 

Mommys credit card doesn't count..    He deserved that by the way././

But Henrik's daddy's does? Since that's the only thing that's kept this POS afloat this long.

Edit: By the way, learn what it means to "troll" or to "bait".

The OP presented his claim and provided evidence for discussion. Not trolling or baiting.

You however...

EA CEO John Riccitiello's on future microtransactions: "When you are six hours into playing Battlefield and you run out of ammo in your clip, and we ask you for a dollar to reload, you're really not very price sensitive at that point in time...We're not gouging, but we're charging."

  Biskop

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10/24/12 1:23:34 AM#20
Originally posted by FastSloth

This makes me wonder if I can get my own group of mentally retarded group of geese that lay golden eggs that feed on nothing but broken promises. And I'd say, I probably can.

 

Maybe they can use the money to buy Henrik a dictionary? Here's the longest version of "we don't want to pay for a translator" - which is only a coverup for "we don't have any lore for our game" too:

 

"We would more than be happy to share more lore about the world we play in.
The only issue as before is that we first wrote it in advanced Swedish, making it very hard to translate it into proper English with the same meanings. I wish we could lend this to a professorial translator, but it cost a lot of money and time, since it must be cross checked back with the Swedish meaning.

We do have contact with good English writers, but they don't know Swedish. So we are in a rough spot when it comes to share more lore from the Swedish written one."

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/threads/henrik.80013/page-2#post-1382738

 

Advanced Swedish. The most complicated language known to man. Translation impossibru. ...inb4 SV-affiliates telling me that advanced Swedish is really impossible to turn into proper English.

 

3...2...1... XD

That made me lol. Advanced Swedish, wtf is that? He makes it sound like they've written a lengthy dissertation on quantum mechanics or something. It's just some made-up fantasy lore ffs.

I'm Swedish myself and I'm sure I could translate that "advanced" stuff into readable English in a matter of days. The same probably goes for some of the Swedes in the MO community.

Edit: I read the dev blog post. Funny how they are now adding "big stuff" despite previously claiming that they are focusing 100% on fixing the game. Is it now fixed then, I wonder?

"We have some very cool features coming up, too. Without going into too much detail, we're going to be introducing a new system [...] We have some big stuff on the table that I can't mention just yet, too. Things are about to get crazy around here and I can't wait for it!"

Yeah, I'm sure things will go crazy over there. They usually do when SV have "big stuff" in the pipeline...

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