Originally posted by bcbully

Pretty crazy that people are supporting the system and flaming those who lost money.

They sell rather useless junk keys, why would the rest of us care?

It is a fun game and you really dont need this stuff. Or you could farm the keys just like anything else, or buy it for real money.

As I see it they pay the money I would pay for monthly fees for me, thankyou guys.

And they havnt actually lost money, they bought stuff for it. They knew what they were buying. No one feels sorry for me when I buy Guiness for my money. No one forced either of us.

And it is not like they actually got better characters for this, but they already knew that one they bought their keys.

So what is your problem? People dont whine when someone buy a new flying mounts in Wow or whatever.

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by bcbully

Pretty crazy that people are supporting the system and flaming those who lost money.

They sell rather useless junk keys, why would the rest of us care?

It is a fun game and you really dont need this stuff. Or you could farm the keys just like anything else, or buy it for real money.

As I see it they pay the money I would pay for monthly fees for me, thankyou guys.

And they havnt actually lost money, they bought stuff for it. They knew what they were buying. No one feels sorry for me when I buy Guiness for my money. No one forced either of us.

And it is not like they actually got better characters for this, but they already knew that one they bought their keys.

So what is your problem? People dont whine when someone buy a new flying mounts in Wow or whatever.

or Rift or Tera or TSW or any other game offering cosmetic stuff in a CS on top of the monthly sub.. but actually peopel do whine about that.. people whine a lot

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by bcbully

Pretty crazy that people are supporting the system and flaming those who lost money.

They sell rather useless junk keys, why would the rest of us care?

It is a fun game and you really dont need this stuff. Or you could farm the keys just like anything else, or buy it for real money.

As I see it they pay the money I would pay for monthly fees for me, thankyou guys.

And they havnt actually lost money, they bought stuff for it. They knew what they were buying. No one feels sorry for me when I buy Guiness for my money. No one forced either of us.

And it is not like they actually got better characters for this, but they already knew that one they bought their keys.

So what is your problem? People dont whine when someone buy a new flying mounts in Wow or whatever.

or Rift or Tera or TSW or any other game offering cosmetic stuff in a CS on top of the monthly sub.. but actually peopel do whine about that.. people whine a lot

You had to gamble and go through RNG to buy stuff in Rift, Tera or TSW? what is this silly comparison? you guys are not even on same wave lenght of what he is trying to say.

I doubt anyone here is complaining about cash shop but the support for gambling and how it is ok to implement it in MMOS.

Well because it is ANET!!

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by bcbully

Pretty crazy that people are supporting the system and flaming those who lost money.

They sell rather useless junk keys, why would the rest of us care?

It is a fun game and you really dont need this stuff. Or you could farm the keys just like anything else, or buy it for real money.

As I see it they pay the money I would pay for monthly fees for me, thankyou guys.

And they havnt actually lost money, they bought stuff for it. They knew what they were buying. No one feels sorry for me when I buy Guiness for my money. No one forced either of us.

And it is not like they actually got better characters for this, but they already knew that one they bought their keys.

So what is your problem? People dont whine when someone buy a new flying mounts in Wow or whatever.

or Rift or Tera or TSW or any other game offering cosmetic stuff in a CS on top of the monthly sub.. but actually peopel do whine about that.. people whine a lot

Here is the "Every game has this issue argument again." No they don't. 

because the see the item, see the price, then buy it. These are not items in the cash shop. This is buying a lotto ticket and hoping to win.

People on the official forums have said, "Just let me buy it. Forget this lotto stuff."

Originally posted by bcbully

 

because the see the item, see the price, then buy it. These are not items in the cash shop. This is buying a lotto ticket and hoping to win.

 

People on the official forums have said, "Just let me buy it. Forget this lottot stuff."

but in all those other games such as TSW or Rift can i aquire those CS items with ingame currency? or am I forced ot pay real money for them?

i can see people just wanting to buy the items though.. maybe they should offer them for a higher price OR get a chance to get them in chests

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Hokie

Well whatever it is, we better start our ramen diets now so we can save enough money to buy gems so we can then turn around and buy keys.

My favorite is shrimp, whats yours?

It is just skins you know, and you can actually farm keys, you have 2 months. I have gotten 30 keys in 2 months without bothering to farm them, and it seems I been a bit unlucky even.

Or farm gold instead and buy the keys, each key will cost you about 75 silver so you can easily get 2 keys a day without any specific farming tricks not including drops. Then you get a key in every second chest or so as well.

Besides, this is useless crap. Skins matter little or not at all (my HoM sword skin give my swords fire damage which matters a little, it is the only skin I have with some use).

But sure, if you must have them, enjoy your ramen. :)

Where are you farming keys? I have played since opening day and I have 2 level 80 characters. I have a total of 11 keys and nearly 60 chests.

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by bcbully

 

because the see the item, see the price, then buy it. These are not items in the cash shop. This is buying a lotto ticket and hoping to win.

 

People on the official forums have said, "Just let me buy it. Forget this lottot stuff."

but in all those other games such as TSW or Rift can i aquire those CS items with ingame currency? or am I forced ot pay real money for them?

i can see people just wanting to buy the items though.. maybe they should offer them for a higher price OR get a chance to get them in chests

In Rift and TSW if someone is spending 20 or 30 bucks he knows what he is getting. How is that same as gambling your 30 bucks away?

And why do you think Anet amde these BLC skins avilable only through chests and TP and not through events or other activities?

Because not everyone is sitting on pile of gold to spend it on TP. People are msot probably goign to spend cash again to buy gems and convert it into gold to buy those items.

In both situations Anet wins.

Originally posted by lifeordinary

 

 

Ummm nope. Not almost. All the weapon skins and two armor skins come out of chests only. Or you can buy it at out rageous prices on TP.

The recepies that you craft have absolutely nothing to do with stuff that comes out of the chest. For someone flamign him for poor comprehension you need to read more carefuly because you ahve been told this several times already.

There is no OR here. Crafting give you soemthing completely different and the best items and skins come from BLC only.

So TLDR version fo your post is

Anet can do no wrong!! players are always wrong.

They did wrong this time, and people are upset.

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/halloween/22-Chests-opened-nothing-unique/page/6#post508761

Originally posted by Sigilaea

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Hokie

Well whatever it is, we better start our ramen diets now so we can save enough money to buy gems so we can then turn around and buy keys.

My favorite is shrimp, whats yours?

It is just skins you know, and you can actually farm keys, you have 2 months. I have gotten 30 keys in 2 months without bothering to farm them, and it seems I been a bit unlucky even.

Or farm gold instead and buy the keys, each key will cost you about 75 silver so you can easily get 2 keys a day without any specific farming tricks not including drops. Then you get a key in every second chest or so as well.

Besides, this is useless crap. Skins matter little or not at all (my HoM sword skin give my swords fire damage which matters a little, it is the only skin I have with some use).

But sure, if you must have them, enjoy your ramen. :)

Where are you farming keys? I have played since opening day and I have 2 level 80 characters. I have a total of 11 keys and nearly 60 chests.

There is no realiable location to farm them. They drop at the rate of epic world drops in WoW (hardly ever). Beyond that zone completion will sometimes net you one. 

money money money, must be funny.... "no subsciption costs, ever" (also a subtle way of saying - we can shit on you and you got no right to argue)

"but if you want something outta our awesome events, cough up the cash and roll the dice!"

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

The responsible way to do lotteries of that form would be to in form of numbers, clearly hand out information about the probabilties to get different items. However, few online lottery companies would ever do that, they are under the expectation that if they keep the probabilities hidden, the company will earn more due to psychological factors. It is a dishonest and shameful practice, in my opinion, and Arenanet is far from the only company abusing it. 

I don't know; the state Lottery certainly publishes the odds.

Millions of people, every week, still expect lightning to strike them.

Is there really any 'responsible' way to run a lottery?

Originally posted by lifeordinary

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by bcbully

 

because the see the item, see the price, then buy it. These are not items in the cash shop. This is buying a lotto ticket and hoping to win.

 

People on the official forums have said, "Just let me buy it. Forget this lottot stuff."

but in all those other games such as TSW or Rift can i aquire those CS items with ingame currency? or am I forced ot pay real money for them?

i can see people just wanting to buy the items though.. maybe they should offer them for a higher price OR get a chance to get them in chests

In Rift and TSW if someone is spending 20 or 30 bucks he knows what he is getting. How is that same as gambling your 30 bucks away?

And why do you think Anet amde these BLC skins avilable only through chests and TP and not through events or other activities?

Because not everyone is sitting on pile of gold to spend it on TP. People are msot probably goign to spend cash again to buy gems and convert it into gold to buy those items.

In both situations Anet wins.

How many times this week, have you heard "It's like this in every game"? No, no it is not. This is a prime example of how this argument is being used.

Originally posted by Icewhite

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

The responsible way to do lotteries of that form would be to in form of numbers, clearly hand out information about the probabilties to get different items. However, few online lottery companies would ever do that, they are under the expectation that if they keep the probabilities hidden, the company will earn more due to psychological factors. It is a dishonest and shameful practice, in my opinion, and Arenanet is far from the only company abusing it. 

I don't know; the state Lottery certainly publishes the odds.

Millions of people, every week, still expect lightning to strike them.

Is there really any 'responsible' way to run a lottery?

Odds to win on scratch off lotto tickekts are like 1 in 8 or even 1 in 5. Plus it is printed so you can see. Idk if there is a responsible ways, but there are certainly better and worse ways. 

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I'm not overly bothered eitherway, but there is clearly something "off" with having a % chance drop/lottery style component combined with something tied to a cash shop if the game is not gambling age restricted.

Originally posted by Jyiiga

I went into this thinking Anet would be reasonable with the drop rates.. Since they are pushing the shop so hard in their advertisements and patch notes. However, it looks like it is exactly the opposite. Barely anything holiday related at all from the majority of chests opened.

Welcome to "Buy 2 Play" !

10/10 innovation of the year award.

Originally posted by Yakamomoto

Originally posted by Jyiiga

I went into this thinking Anet would be reasonable with the drop rates.. Since they are pushing the shop so hard in their advertisements and patch notes. However, it looks like it is exactly the opposite. Barely anything holiday related at all from the majority of chests opened.

Welcome to "Buy 2 Play" !

10/10 innovation of the year award.

Indeed, they don't NEED to keep you happy anymore, they already got your 60$ months ago, now all they need to do is lure people to spend cash on the gems, those that do are fools and makes ANET happy, those that aren't, they don't give fret about.

It's win-win for ANET in any way, shape and form.

Well I am definitely sick of Arenanets methods, the whole "we invented a whole new business model and call it Buy To Play",

Then the cash gambling on the treasure chests, I seriously hope enough people report this to ESRB, I already did it.

https://www.esrb.org/about/contact.jsp

This is worse than Zynga and a serious danger for all minors and their parents who were led to believe there is no cost attached to the game.

False advertising, period. That is something which can and should be taken into court.

Arenanet/NC went too far with this one.

Is the drop rate really only 2%? For a key that costs almost a pound?

Originally posted by Vesavius

Is the drop rate really only 2%? For a key that costs almost a pound?

 

Yes. ;)