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  User Deleted
10/14/12 2:19:28 PM#201
Originally posted by Icewhite

Two bad things happening in this thread:

  • Similarities to previous games, automatic winner.
  • Similarities to previous games, automatic loser.
In other words, the usual hype and anti-hype (anti-hype follows the same rules as hype, except for adopting "doom" as the automatic rather than "win").

Sadly, thats what you get on these kinds of forums. To actually discuss the basis of the game you need to go to a dedicated forum.

  Entinerint

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Joined: 5/06/12
Posts: 716

10/14/12 2:27:28 PM#202
Originally posted by Sicae
Originally posted by Icewhite

Two bad things happening in this thread:

  • Similarities to previous games, automatic winner.
  • Similarities to previous games, automatic loser.
In other words, the usual hype and anti-hype (anti-hype follows the same rules as hype, except for adopting "doom" as the automatic rather than "win").

Sadly, thats what you get on these kinds of forums. To actually discuss the basis of the game you need to go to a dedicated forum.

Guess you haven't been to the bethsoft TESO forum.  It's pretty much all brown-nosing there, no real discussion, just a bunch of moronic threads like this OP, and when people do voice concerns they are battered by blind fanboyism and eventually banned.

  User Deleted
10/14/12 2:41:25 PM#203
Originally posted by Entinerint
Originally posted by Sicae
Originally posted by Icewhite

Two bad things happening in this thread:

  • Similarities to previous games, automatic winner.
  • Similarities to previous games, automatic loser.
In other words, the usual hype and anti-hype (anti-hype follows the same rules as hype, except for adopting "doom" as the automatic rather than "win").

Sadly, thats what you get on these kinds of forums. To actually discuss the basis of the game you need to go to a dedicated forum.

Guess you haven't been to the bethsoft TESO forum.  It's pretty much all brown-nosing there, no real discussion, just a bunch of moronic threads like this OP, and when people do voice concerns they are battered by blind fanboyism and eventually banned.

Theres a huge difference between "brown-nosing" and looking forward to the game and discussing things they like.  Its painfully obvious you hate the game so your view is and will always be skewed toward that.  Where you see doom, shitty gameplay, and fanbois brown-nosing. the actual players lookiing forward to a title see optimism and civil discussion.  If you were to take off those blinders you would see there is passionate discussion and some disagreement amongst the poptential playerbase. 

 

It is forums such this where you get the heated, troolish and ignorant players who refuse to see through anything other then their own jaded, dellusional world view and as such it is forums such as these that leave me to suspect that haters, trolls and flamers are the majority of opposite side as opposed to the simple person who disagrees with a games premise, voices it, and moves along never to care again.  In a sense, it is forums posters such as yourself who refuse to either, remove oneself from the discussion, or become rationale in their discourse.  The haters of a game will always drown out the fanbois and IMO are a million times worse then the latter.

 

Do yourself a favor, remove yourself from the TESO discussion, and leave the game for fans.  Nothing will change and you have no reason to be here, unless you draw thrills from flaming, trolling and making others pissed at silly remarks.  It would be so much better for the MMORPG.com community as a whole if less people would voice their displeasure of a game and do it once and move on but leave the bulk of the discussion to people who are looking forward to that title.

  User Deleted
10/14/12 2:44:45 PM#204
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by MercArcher
Originally posted by sandboxy
I don't know if you (OP) are genuinely as clueless as you seem to be or are you just trolling..

Its pretty clear that all the doomsayers and "wowclone" people are the ones trolling.

Not to mention all the lore. TES has some of the most established lore in all of gaming.

The people over at Bioware thought they had the most established lore in all of the known Universe, they found out that lore is pretty far down on the list of what's important when developing a successful MMORPG.

It's all about the gameplay in the end, the lore could be totally unknown.

Yeah, check in with Turbine and Funcom how "the most established lore in all of gaming" went for them.  Established lore carries a lot of baggage with it.  There are a lot of diverse expectations and pleasing all those crowds is tricky.

It's all about making a fun compelling game.  Lore is a bonus if they can get the fun and compelling parts down. So far all the above haven't got the fun and compelling parts down.

You can add Bioware to that list as well.  The thing with Turbine (LotRO), Funcom (AoC) and Bioware (SWTOR) was that either the game was a WoW clone or had shitty gameplay and alot of design issues.

  GamerUntouch

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Joined: 5/11/12
Posts: 491

10/14/12 9:14:27 PM#205

I agree with OP's title.

Not his post.

 

I think this'll be the last "big budget" WoW clone.

After this and TOR flops, no big company is going to bother, maybe people will make niche MMOs again.

  Sentime

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Joined: 5/10/06
Posts: 277

10/14/12 9:18:10 PM#206

There are already a lot of great mmos out there.

There will never be a savior for those that ride the hype trains.

  KasterGrail

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Joined: 3/15/12
Posts: 3

10/14/12 9:20:44 PM#207
oh god not another savior and with that the game is destined to flop
  GreenishBlue

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Joined: 5/27/12
Posts: 266

10/14/12 9:26:33 PM#208
 Hopefully Bethesda won't pull a flop a la Warhammer.

  User Deleted
10/16/12 2:13:39 AM#209
the word savior should be banned from mmosite forum 
  Rimmersman

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Joined: 10/15/12
Posts: 911

10/16/12 2:16:40 AM#210
Originally posted by clarechultheis
Originally posted by Sentime

There are already a lot of great mmos out there.

There will never be a savior for those that ride the hype trains.

I totally agree. Some of the great mmo's are B2p.

 

I agree with the hype train, hype is the killer.As for some great B2P mmo, i can only think of one and that's guild bores 2. The fact remain is the leading MMO is P2P and many people would still pay a sub if the game was worth it. I for one am looking forward to TESO as you can see by my avitar.

  Entinerint

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Joined: 5/06/12
Posts: 716

10/16/12 3:54:08 PM#211
Originally posted by clarechultheis
Originally posted by Rimmersman
Originally posted by clarechultheis
Originally posted by Sentime

There are already a lot of great mmos out there.

There will never be a savior for those that ride the hype trains.

I totally agree. Some of the great mmo's are B2p.

 

I agree with the hype train, hype is the killer.As for some great B2P mmo, i can only think of one and that's guild bores 2. The fact remain is the leading MMO is P2P and many people would still pay a sub if the game was worth it. I for one am looking forward to TESO as you can see by my avitar.

I've seen the trailer of The Elder Scroll on youtube and it's freakin' amazing, but i won't judge it til i see the actual gameplay. :P

May I ask what about this supposed trailer amazes you?

  Yakamomoto

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Joined: 9/24/12
Posts: 385

10/23/12 5:05:02 AM#212

TESO, TSW and WoD -- the holy trinity of MMO revolution

plus.. Star Citizen. Good times.

  cura

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Joined: 7/24/04
Posts: 861

10/23/12 5:14:16 AM#213
Originally posted by MercArcher
[...]

Back to the trinity. After GW2 we learned that the trinity exsists for a reason. They are trying to keep a similar action feel while going back to the method that works.

[...]

Considering its themepark game, its back to worst thing that happened to mmos. No thank you.

  User Deleted
10/23/12 5:24:25 AM#214
Edit: /thread
  User Deleted
10/23/12 5:27:45 AM#215
Originally posted by Siveria

Honestly though? best savior to mmorpgs would be the person whob lows up all the wow servers so the game has to be cancelled, once wow-like mmo's become unpopular we'll suddendly see dev's actually trying again.

So destroying the enjoyment of MILLIONS is worth having a few hardcore nerds having their obscure gaming niche filled? :)

This is going beyond hipster WoW hating now, I think.

A better game will do well regardless of competition.

  User Deleted
10/23/12 5:38:48 AM#216
However good this game turns out to be you can be certain of one thing some idiot will still call it a WoW clone .
  TsaboHavoc

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Joined: 11/01/11
Posts: 340

10/23/12 5:48:17 AM#217
Originally posted by roo67
However good this game turns out to be you can be certain of one thing some idiot will still call it a WoW clone .

what this game offer that gw2 or other <insert name> bland and generic themepark doesnt? ppl will still play WoW and this stinky monkey tail of game will fail.

  dreamsofwar

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Joined: 4/04/09
Posts: 471

10/23/12 5:48:57 AM#218
I don't think MMO's need saving. There is plenty for everybody at the moment. You have WoW, LOTRO, The Secret World and Guild Wars 2, the latter two offering new and enhanced gameplay that offers that bit more than your standard theme park. Not to mention Eve etc. The "savior to MMO's" is in the eyes of the beholder I think. So if you think this game will bring you great joy for the genre then I hope it becomes the game you hope it will be!
  Torvaldr

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Joined: 6/10/09
Posts: 5575

10/23/12 10:12:13 AM#219
Originally posted by Zylaxx
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by MercArcher
Originally posted by sandboxy
I don't know if you (OP) are genuinely as clueless as you seem to be or are you just trolling..

Its pretty clear that all the doomsayers and "wowclone" people are the ones trolling.

Not to mention all the lore. TES has some of the most established lore in all of gaming.

The people over at Bioware thought they had the most established lore in all of the known Universe, they found out that lore is pretty far down on the list of what's important when developing a successful MMORPG.

It's all about the gameplay in the end, the lore could be totally unknown.

Yeah, check in with Turbine and Funcom how "the most established lore in all of gaming" went for them.  Established lore carries a lot of baggage with it.  There are a lot of diverse expectations and pleasing all those crowds is tricky.

It's all about making a fun compelling game.  Lore is a bonus if they can get the fun and compelling parts down. So far all the above haven't got the fun and compelling parts down.

You can add Bioware to that list as well.  The thing with Turbine (LotRO), Funcom (AoC) and Bioware (SWTOR) was that either the game was a WoW clone or had shitty gameplay and alot of design issues.

That's true.  My point was just supporting the idea that you can't rely on having established lore to have a successful game.  Look at the title of the thread in light of the last few hype-trains that have rolled through.  Watching and discussing is a lot different that startng the hype engine.

We don't know if the game will be good or if it will be plagued with issues like the examples above.  We know that TES games usually need a lot of polish after release and that won't float well for an MMO.  But they may be taking a different approach since it's a different genre.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

  User Deleted
10/24/12 1:21:37 PM#220
Originally posted by clarechultheis
Originally posted by lotaparty
the word savior should be banned from mmosite forum 

The word Savior lures us to check the thread. Great strategy though! :3 lol

yuppys :P

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