Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by Pilnkplonk

Originally posted by grimal

It deserves accolades for being a great game (I firmly believe that).

But being a long-time MMORPG player, this game is  not an MMORPG.  So to give it any praise as that is simply underserving.

It's like saying "Pulp Fiction" is a brilliant comedy.  Brilliant film, yes.  Comedy?  May have some elements but that hardly makes it one.

It's much more of a mmo than, say, SWTOR. I wonder what exactly defines a mmo in some people's minds, monthly subscription, lol? It's at least as much a mmo as a WoW is, and if you don't consider WoW a mmo, then...

I do consider WoW an MMORPG. GW2 I do not.  For me it lacks too many RPG elements to be considered one.  Hence, I would call it an MMO but not an MMORPG.

It is an MMORPG, no matter what your opinion is. That is fact.

 

No, it is not a Sandbox and if yo only call those MMORPG's, then you are missing a huge amount of games.

 

WoW and GW2 have many traits that are similar, so calling one an MMORPG and the other not, is just your bias and not reality.

It's not a fact that it's an MMORPG.  If it is, what scientific law has declared it as such?  Just because ANET wants to call it that doesn't mean it's true.

I do not consider it an MMORPG.  If I did, I'd probably have to consider Diablo 3 an MMORPG as well since they both share a great deal of similarities.

IT.  IS.  A.  FACT.

A role-playing game (RPG and sometimes roleplaying game is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting, or through a process of structured decision-making or character development

YOU do not get to define the genre or ignore the game elements and then declare 'fact' and 'win.'      You made a claim.  You not only provided no proof, but you also are clearly using a tortured defintion of 'role-playing game' when you include WoW as a role-playing MMO and GW2 is not...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDW0ZnZxjn4

Originally posted by grimgryphon

Originally posted by loulaki

Originally posted by grimgryphon

Originally posted by loulaki

well i dunno if this is the best game of all times, or the game which will change our lifes BUT nobody can disagree thats the best MMO this year and considered to other releases its far far away better, than vanilla WoW, or whatever.

yes there are problems i see them too, but compared with the rest MMOs out there you cant disagree, even if they dont pay you ...

 

you can continue your whinnies ; )

I think here a lot of people who disagree, but by all means, continue living in your bubble.

please help me to get out of my bubble and show me the best MMO released this year, i challenge you to add and the previous year!

; )

You have to determine what the best MMO is for you, but double negatives aside, making blanket statements like "nobody can disagree that it's the best MMO this year" will prove you wrong 100% of the time.

^ That being said, you are saying release wise, your basically giving it very little competition to go against outside F2P launches.  If your meaning thats actually out, then I can highly disagree. A statement that intends on capturing everyones opinion will be false. Even if there was a 'best MMO of the year' you wouldn't be able to make that statement since there are likely people who would disagree.

Not the worst game though for me, it wasn't worth the $60 at all. Had more fun playing Torchlight 2 for far longer then I ever did forcing myself to play GW2 to give it a chance. Again, its a personal opinion but just taking in the facts of GW2, theres no doubting their are flaws to the game and many people simply won't find enjoyment out of it.

Originally posted by MosesZD

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by Pilnkplonk

Originally posted by grimal

It deserves accolades for being a great game (I firmly believe that).

But being a long-time MMORPG player, this game is  not an MMORPG.  So to give it any praise as that is simply underserving.

It's like saying "Pulp Fiction" is a brilliant comedy.  Brilliant film, yes.  Comedy?  May have some elements but that hardly makes it one.

It's much more of a mmo than, say, SWTOR. I wonder what exactly defines a mmo in some people's minds, monthly subscription, lol? It's at least as much a mmo as a WoW is, and if you don't consider WoW a mmo, then...

I do consider WoW an MMORPG. GW2 I do not.  For me it lacks too many RPG elements to be considered one.  Hence, I would call it an MMO but not an MMORPG.

It is an MMORPG, no matter what your opinion is. That is fact.

 

No, it is not a Sandbox and if yo only call those MMORPG's, then you are missing a huge amount of games.

 

WoW and GW2 have many traits that are similar, so calling one an MMORPG and the other not, is just your bias and not reality.

It's not a fact that it's an MMORPG.  If it is, what scientific law has declared it as such?  Just because ANET wants to call it that doesn't mean it's true.

I do not consider it an MMORPG.  If I did, I'd probably have to consider Diablo 3 an MMORPG as well since they both share a great deal of similarities.

 

IT.  IS.  A.  FACT.

 

A role-playing game (RPG and sometimes roleplaying game is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting, or through a process of structured decision-making or character development

 

YOU do not get to define the genre or ignore the game elements and then declare 'fact' and 'win.'      You made a claim.  You not only provided no proof, but you also are clearly using a tortured defintion of 'role-playing game' when you include WoW as a role-playing MMO and GW2 is not...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDW0ZnZxjn4

thought this was a decent comparison of how stories are presented and why I feel even if the dialogue or overall story may be little more engrossing in swtor in GW2 overall has a better delivery in allowing you to define what "role" you get to play in the RPG aspect of the game.. from the starting choices to choosing which of the 3 factions you join to all the choices inbetween that define what path you take throughout the story.

http://www.guildwars2hub.com/features/previews/personal-story-gw2-vs-class-quests-swtor#comment-form

also on that note diablo is in fact a action RPG just does not contain the MM part to make it a MMORPG

the argument i hate, which i see everywhere, is "it's not the second coming of jesus. it doesn't deserve the acclaim." a game can be critically acclaimed and fantastic without being the best thing in the world. every medium knows this except mmos. mmo players just can't get their heads around this concept.

so does gw2 deserve the acclaim? yes. it's a really fantastic game. is it reinventing the genre? yes. dynamic events and active combat are the waves of the future. just look at any mmo that's slated to be released in the next year or two. is it the second coming of [insert deity of choice here]? no. it's a video game. it's not the best thing since sliced bread, but that doesn't stop it from being really good.

People who wrote the critics regarding GW2 played how much? Probably up to level 30 or something? Until there, the game is truly awesome. From level 40 and on, you start seeing how rushed the game was. Besides bugged SPs and DEs everywhere, the game just lacks content. It has a handful of "Dynamic Events", which are old warhammer public quests with another name, and it has 6 dungeons or so. There is absolutely nothing else to do.

Not to mention the bots are infesting the game and ArenaNet has been doing nothing about it. I reported some bots over one month ago and those still on the very same spot farming the very same DE over and over.

All the promises they made on the Manifesto were not delivered. The game world does not change, there is huge and abysmal grind and rushed designs, such as elite skills.

This game is a disappointment, I bet any reviewer who plays up to level 80 will agree with me here.

Originally posted by knuckledust13

People who wrote the critics regarding GW2 played how much? Probably up to level 30 or something? Until there, the game is truly awesome. From level 40 and on, you start seeing how rushed the game was. Besides bugged SPs and DEs everywhere, the game just lacks content. It has a handful of "Dynamic Events", which are old warhammer public quests with another name, and it has 6 dungeons or so. There is absolutely nothing else to do.

 

Not to mention the bots are infesting the game and ArenaNet has been doing nothing about it. I reported some bots over one month ago and those still on the very same spot farming the very same DE over and over.

 

All the promises they made on the Manifesto were not delivered. The game world does not change, there is huge and abysmal grind and rushed designs, such as elite skills.

 

This game is a disappointment, I bet any reviewer who plays up to level 80 will agree with me here.

sounds like you haven't played this game at all:) if you layed out side by side all the features of GW2 and all the content it currently has against any themepark at their release in the last several years GW2 would be leaps ahead of any of them. 

Originally posted by Insane666
not only is it overhyped and doesnt deserve its acclaim, its a step in the wrong direction for mmo's [ personal point of view, bite me fanboy ( self +1 for quoting LOBO ) ], and calling it revolutionary is a slap in the face for a big part of the old school crowd,,,

Originally posted by loulaki

Originally posted by grimgryphon

 

You have to determine what the best MMO is for you, but double negatives aside, making blanket statements like "nobody can disagree that it's the best MMO this year" will prove you wrong 100% of the time.

well best is something compared to others its doing its job much better.

By who's standards? Yours? Mine? That's a lose-lose proposition no matter how you slice it. Opinions don't make good facts.

so between these years (lets say 2010-12), inform me for an MMORPG with 1) better gameplay (only TERA could reach the dynamic combat, but again its static skills burn it to the ground) 2) better graphics - art - enviroment 3) better PvP features (even if i would like open world PvP, the huge but instanced, WvW is awesome compared to the battlegrounds.. and the sPvP has all the potentials for TRUE competitive gameplay) 4) the ammount of innovetions like the break of holy trinity, the dynamiic events at the scale and the polish, the crafting, etc ... 5) and all these in B2P format ...

1) Rift

2) AoC

3) WoW

4) Can't make a comparison, since GW2 hasn't done those things either.

Happy now? Arguing with me about this will do you no good, since these are my opinions and are just as valid as your opinions. Not facts. Opinions. See how that works?

all these compared to other games place that one far ahead, and yes there are problems and big ones ,as the dungeon rewards, the lack of a proper beta(which leads to the bugs), the broken economy, etc but again compared to others again its far ahead ...

In your opinion, which is fine, but that opinion certainly may not be the opinion of others. Stop speaking for everyone.

i still wait from your part to show me a game whicch have done better than GW2 in these 2-3 months ...

First you asked me to tell you what game was better, now you're asking which game has done better. Those questions have very different answers. Make up your mind which answer you're looking for.

How many more times do I need to use the word opinion before you start to get the picture of why I responded they way I did to your post?

/onegreatbiggiantfacepalm

Was way over hyped / overrated and didn't live up to my standards.

Still a good game, however we got many of these themepark mmo's already and they all are pretty much the same when you play it. I'll jump back into it when I get the itch again.

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by knuckledust13

People who wrote the critics regarding GW2 played how much? Probably up to level 30 or something? Until there, the game is truly awesome. From level 40 and on, you start seeing how rushed the game was. Besides bugged SPs and DEs everywhere, the game just lacks content. It has a handful of "Dynamic Events", which are old warhammer public quests with another name, and it has 6 dungeons or so. There is absolutely nothing else to do.

 

Not to mention the bots are infesting the game and ArenaNet has been doing nothing about it. I reported some bots over one month ago and those still on the very same spot farming the very same DE over and over.

 

All the promises they made on the Manifesto were not delivered. The game world does not change, there is huge and abysmal grind and rushed designs, such as elite skills.

 

This game is a disappointment, I bet any reviewer who plays up to level 80 will agree with me here.

sounds like you haven't played this game at all:) if you layed out side by side all the features of GW2 and all the content it currently has against any themepark at their release in the last several years GW2 would be leaps ahead of any of them. 

I have actually played about 250 hours before I uninstalled. On level 80, unless you want to spend up to 18 hours a day grinding for a legendary weapon (which is a skin that isn't even worth the abysmal grind required), there is nothing else to do.

No one goes back to level 20 areas "because it is fun". The game doesn't reward you, on the other hand, it has a HEAVY diminishing returns feature that kills your currency and drop gains in about 20 minutes of playing.

No one grinds dungeons over and over because there is no point. When people did this to farm currency and XP, they simply cut down the rewards to THE GROUND and made a patch that dramatically increased dungeons difficulty. NO ONE does those unless going for the no-life grind of legendaries.

The only thing people do at level 80 is camping the Trading Post to hoard gold. Most beta testers who quit the game, like myself, actually call it "Trading Wars 2" as a joke, because there are so many people camping the TP that you get undercut at the very moment.

This is the current state of the game. "Playing for fun" doesn't cut it if there is no content for the fun to be had.

Originally posted by knuckledust13

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by knuckledust13

People who wrote the critics regarding GW2 played how much? Probably up to level 30 or something? Until there, the game is truly awesome. From level 40 and on, you start seeing how rushed the game was. Besides bugged SPs and DEs everywhere, the game just lacks content. It has a handful of "Dynamic Events", which are old warhammer public quests with another name, and it has 6 dungeons or so. There is absolutely nothing else to do.

 

Not to mention the bots are infesting the game and ArenaNet has been doing nothing about it. I reported some bots over one month ago and those still on the very same spot farming the very same DE over and over.

 

All the promises they made on the Manifesto were not delivered. The game world does not change, there is huge and abysmal grind and rushed designs, such as elite skills.

 

This game is a disappointment, I bet any reviewer who plays up to level 80 will agree with me here.

sounds like you haven't played this game at all:) if you layed out side by side all the features of GW2 and all the content it currently has against any themepark at their release in the last several years GW2 would be leaps ahead of any of them. 

I have actually played about 250 hours before I uninstalled. On level 80, unless you want to spend up to 18 hours a day grinding for a legendary weapon (which is a skin that isn't even worth the abysmal grind required), there is nothing else to do.

 

No one goes back to level 20 areas "because it is fun". The game doesn't reward you, on the other hand, it has a HEAVY diminishing returns feature that kills your currency and drop gains in about 20 minutes of playing.

 

No one grinds dungeons over and over because there is no point. When people did this to farm currency and XP, they simply cut down the rewards to THE GROUND and made a patch that dramatically increased dungeons difficulty. NO ONE does those unless going for the no-life grind of legendaries.

 

The only thing people do at level 80 is camping the Trading Post to hoard gold. Most beta testers who quit the game, like myself, actually call it "Trading Wars 2" as a joke, because there are so many people camping the TP that you get undercut at the very moment.

 

This is the current state of the game. "Playing for fun" doesn't cut it if there is no content for the fun to be had.

 

Must be a language barrier thing. You're actually saying "there's nothing else for the likes of me to do". Personal preference doesn't factor when doing an objective side by side feature comparison. His statement still stands.

Originally posted by knuckledust13

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by knuckledust13

People who wrote the critics regarding GW2 played how much? Probably up to level 30 or something? Until there, the game is truly awesome. From level 40 and on, you start seeing how rushed the game was. Besides bugged SPs and DEs everywhere, the game just lacks content. It has a handful of "Dynamic Events", which are old warhammer public quests with another name, and it has 6 dungeons or so. There is absolutely nothing else to do.

 

Not to mention the bots are infesting the game and ArenaNet has been doing nothing about it. I reported some bots over one month ago and those still on the very same spot farming the very same DE over and over.

 

All the promises they made on the Manifesto were not delivered. The game world does not change, there is huge and abysmal grind and rushed designs, such as elite skills.

 

This game is a disappointment, I bet any reviewer who plays up to level 80 will agree with me here.

sounds like you haven't played this game at all:) if you layed out side by side all the features of GW2 and all the content it currently has against any themepark at their release in the last several years GW2 would be leaps ahead of any of them. 

I have actually played about 250 hours before I uninstalled. On level 80, unless you want to spend up to 18 hours a day grinding for a legendary weapon (which is a skin that isn't even worth the abysmal grind required), there is nothing else to do.

 

No one goes back to level 20 areas "because it is fun". The game doesn't reward you, on the other hand, it has a HEAVY diminishing returns feature that kills your currency and drop gains in about 20 minutes of playing.

 

No one grinds dungeons over and over because there is no point. When people did this to farm currency and XP, they simply cut down the rewards to THE GROUND and made a patch that dramatically increased dungeons difficulty. NO ONE does those unless going for the no-life grind of legendaries.

 

The only thing people do at level 80 is camping the Trading Post to hoard gold. Most beta testers who quit the game, like myself, actually call it "Trading Wars 2" as a joke, because there are so many people camping the TP that you get undercut at the very moment.

 

This is the current state of the game. "Playing for fun" doesn't cut it if there is no content for the fun to be had.

 

I do go to all areas because there isn't so many risen. Why do you call me nobody, I didn't do anything to you

This is the 1st MMO to me that I haven't played 80hours per week and it was a good call. Instead I've played about 20 hours and mostly on weekends, so it has stayed fresh to me.

You know no content isn't enough for those that play 10 hours a day?

Originally posted by Pelaaja

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I do go to all areas because there isn't so many risen. Why do you call me nobody, I didn't do anything to you

This is the 1st MMO to me that I haven't played 80hours per week and it was a good call. Instead I've played about 20 hours and mostly on weekends, so it has stayed fresh to me.

You know no content isn't enough for those that play 10 hours a day?

I wouldn't totally dismiss people that rush (well, that's a relative really, for them/us that's a natural pace) through content. If nothing else, you can see this as a fast forward into the future, especially if you have similar gaming habits but not the same time to put into the game. Unless Anet (or insert any mmorpg company really) can't keep with your pace, you'll eventually have to deal with it as well.

I swear there must be another version of "Guild Wars 2" that some people are playing. I could play this game for years and not even come close to running out of things to do. And I mean fun things to do.