Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by aligada87

could you define your bigger=better in eve pve fully applies theory?

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Bigger as ship size. PVE in EVE scales with ship size and creates an "end game" for largest ships.

There is no point specializing in frigates if you want to PVE.

 

well in all honesty, eve's pve is not its selling point. you pvp for money and resources if you want to but not for some cool endgame or anything like that.

eve pve is purely a means to get stuff. as such its not balanced at a level that a raiding mmo would be.

while eve's pve is not bad, it's also no designed to be a high-end activity. it's fairly minimal.

but you are not really correct. ships that are very big - like dreanaughts or titans - cant PvE well because they are designed to fight other big ships. They struggle greatly to kill npc frigates. basically once you go past battlesip it gets hard to pve. also there's always the risk of "my ship is so big and slow, if someone comes, i won't make it to safety in time".

Eve Online is the true alternate life game, If ccp adds occulus rift support and leapmotion support in the game, as well as walking in stations, and walking on spaceships, Eve Online has the biggest chance to become the first Virtual Reality Game, like Sword Art Online, or what you see in accel world.

You could live your whole life just playing Eve Online, without ever having the need to spend a second in the real world :)

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Originally posted by Robokapp

well in all honesty, eve's pve is not its selling point. you pvp for money and resources if you want to but not for some cool endgame or anything like that.

 

eve pve is purely a means to get stuff. as such its not balanced at a level that a raiding mmo would be.

while eve's pve is not bad, it's also no designed to be a high-end activity. it's fairly minimal.

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What EVE majority living in high sec fights for...?

Sorry, but no.

Originally posted by 13lake

Eve Online is the true alternate life game, If ccp adds occulus rift support and leapmotion support in the game, as well as walking in stations, and walking on spaceships, Eve Online has the biggest chance to become the first Virtual Reality Game, like Sword Art Online, or what you see in accel world.

You could live your whole life just playing Eve Online, without ever having the need to spend a second in the real world :)

YOUR A DORK

Originally posted by Robokapp

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by aligada87

could you define your bigger=better in eve pve fully applies theory?

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Bigger as ship size. PVE in EVE scales with ship size and creates an "end game" for largest ships.

There is no point specializing in frigates if you want to PVE.

 

well in all honesty, eve's pve is not its selling point. you pvp for money and resources if you want to but not for some cool endgame or anything like that.

 

eve pve is purely a means to get stuff. as such its not balanced at a level that a raiding mmo would be.

while eve's pve is not bad, it's also no designed to be a high-end activity. it's fairly minimal.

EVE end-game is about making enough money (isk) to succeed or fail at whatever you want.

And that very rarely happens in PvP.

No matter what happens in PvP its the PvE that is a backbone of EvE.  But you'll never get the vocal majority to admit it, because saying you spend your game time killing other players is much more epeen enlarging.

Come on guys in all honesty, last I remember reading only like 20%-30% of EVE players are dedeicated PvPers.

To be good at PvE in EVE you have to know what youre doing. EVE is not for dumbasses, its way too merciless. Not saying if you tried it and then quit your a dumbass. But to succeed you have to know how to do more than just grind "mobs" and "do end-game", you have to know how to survive. And in all honesty thats not a skill a lot of MMO gamers have.

Or maybe another way to put it is;

It nitch not because its sci-fi, or space ships, or no real avatar gameplay. It is a game where bad decisions, either thru stupidity or bad luck, will leave you utterly nut stomped.

Please keep in mind when most players that have been around for a long time - Beta Tester for Eve here - when they speak about null sec it isnt SOV (player controlled space) only. There is NPC null sec as well where a ton of fighting and gate camping to those cushy SOV systems you all live in.

There is a large contingent of people that do not like SOV - I did it for a year and never really liked it. No challenge in pvp. Point, click, orbit deal with lag is not my type of fun. Im very much into small gang fighting - 15 ships or less and enjoy the hell out of that. Frigs are the best :)

So yes, gate camping in Null Sec NPC space is very lucrative plus you can roam and screw with the stupid SOV owners who the majority cant even 1v1 a teddy bear.  Then its painfully obvious when they get a fleet together to get you...easy to get away from and frustrate them even more.

There are many forms of PVP in Eve - likely also why its so popular.

1) Market PVP

2) Ship PVP

3) Mind game PVP - morale - frustration etc all lead to certain death

4) Mercenary

5) Sov space

etc. Im sure there are more but you get the point. PVP isnt just swords swinging, spells flying etc. Its forcing your will upon others in many areas of the game and not jsut physical comnat thereby appealing to many many types of players and not jsut one.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by bunnyhopper

Ohh.....I can't resist.....

Just because you don't like a game doesn't mean it isn't a good one. 

I would imagine he means "better" in his opinion. Although considering the poster, maybe not. (I joke ofc).

Yeah, I was just messing with him since he's said the same to me when I've slammed another game.

 

Mark my words, if a game comes that has better space combat and PvE content, it would undoubtedly grab much of Eve's players. Afterall, it is hardly a stretch to imagine better systems for both (if you have played other games). See how the economy runs then.

Eve's position is quite fragile the way I see it. Again, one serious competitor.

Originally posted by Quirhid

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by bunnyhopper

Ohh.....I can't resist.....

Just because you don't like a game doesn't mean it isn't a good one. 

I would imagine he means "better" in his opinion. Although considering the poster, maybe not. (I joke ofc).

Yeah, I was just messing with him since he's said the same to me when I've slammed another game.

 

Mark my words, if a game comes that has better space combat and PvE content, it would undoubtedly grab much of Eve's players. Afterall, it is hardly a stretch to imagine better systems for both (if you have played other games). See how the economy runs then.

Eve's position is quite fragile the way I see it. Again, one serious competitor.

I beg to differ. While EVE does have some lackings in certain aspects of the game there is just so much to do that it totally overcompensates for it. What EVE managed to do is synch all the aspects of the game perfectly and i doubt any game will soon come which can accomplish the same. And if DUST succeeds it would an other layer of depth to eve.

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by Quirhid

 

Mark my words, if a game comes that has better space combat and PvE content, it would undoubtedly grab much of Eve's players. Afterall, it is hardly a stretch to imagine better systems for both (if you have played other games). See how the economy runs then.

Eve's position is quite fragile the way I see it. Again, one serious competitor.

I beg to differ. While EVE does have some lackings in certain aspects of the game there is just so much to do that it totally overcompensates for it. What EVE managed to do is synch all the aspects of the game perfectly and i doubt any game will soon come which can accomplish the same. And if DUST succeeds it would an other layer of depth to eve.

I don't think overcompensation is a good thing. Anyway. trading will never compensate for a combat system. Not for everyone.

Thanks for all of the replies. In reading these posts there are two things that become apparent. First, when it comes to MMO's and PVP, I always picture a guy with a sword jumping over me, bunny hopping around trying to kill me. I don't think that is what EVE is about. I get the impetion that decisions have to be well thought out and personality does matter. Secondly, I also get the impretion that you guys are not 12 and 14 years old. Instead of being barraged my meaningless antics, it seems there is a level of maturity in this community. I'm also thinking that if there are indeed particular people in the game that control vast areas of space and wealth, it may also stand to reason that these people are probably a cut above the rest in real life. Is this possible? Jut my .02

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Originally posted by johnjec
 
it may also stand to reason that these people are probably a cut above the rest in real life.

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Very false assumption.

Originally posted by johnjec

 

Thanks for all of the replies. In reading these posts there are two things that become apparent. First, when it comes to MMO's and PVP, I always picture a guy with a sword jumping over me, bunny hopping around trying to kill me. I don't think that is what EVE is about. I get the impetion that decisions have to be well thought out and personality does matter. Secondly, I also get the impretion that you guys are not 12 and 14 years old. Instead of being barraged my meaningless antics, it seems there is a level of maturity in this community. I'm also thinking that if there are indeed particular people in the game that control vast areas of space and wealth, it may also stand to reason that these people are probably a cut above the rest in real life. Is this possible? Jut my .02

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMFahR4wXTg&feature=related

take a look at some pvp...organized pvp. the reason some of us love it is that it's not the 'run around with your sword, aoe-cleave as many enemies as you can before dying, respawn and try again".

when your ship dies it stays dead, so engagements are naturally more calculated to protect your own life.

it's really a simple matter of "death is bad. you don't want to die". it would seem logical yet in most mmos nowadays death means a 30sec corpsewalk.

controlling space is done at alliance level. it takes a lot of people working togethr to get the space, maintain it, efend it, develop it and turn it into their home with all he comodities they want.

in empire the stations belong to NPCs, npc's protect you omewhat, and so on. in null-sec it's just us. nobody can hear you scream. we make the stations, or take them from the evicted alliance, we make the comodities like labs and factories, we build things and sell to others or ourselves...we bring our mark and contribution onto an area of space that has virtually nothing.

we...make it ours. that's a very major appeal.

Originally posted by Quirhid

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by bunnyhopper

Ohh.....I can't resist.....

Just because you don't like a game doesn't mean it isn't a good one. 

I would imagine he means "better" in his opinion. Although considering the poster, maybe not. (I joke ofc).

Yeah, I was just messing with him since he's said the same to me when I've slammed another game.

 

Mark my words, if a game comes that has better space combat and PvE content, it would undoubtedly grab much of Eve's players. Afterall, it is hardly a stretch to imagine better systems for both (if you have played other games). See how the economy runs then.

Eve's position is quite fragile the way I see it. Again, one serious competitor.

star citizen?

Originally posted by johnjec

 

Thanks for all of the replies. In reading these posts there are two things that become apparent. First, when it comes to MMO's and PVP, I always picture a guy with a sword jumping over me, bunny hopping around trying to kill me. I don't think that is what EVE is about. I get the impetion that decisions have to be well thought out and personality does matter. Secondly, I also get the impretion that you guys are not 12 and 14 years old. Instead of being barraged my meaningless antics, it seems there is a level of maturity in this community. I'm also thinking that if there are indeed particular people in the game that control vast areas of space and wealth, it may also stand to reason that these people are probably a cut above the rest in real life. Is this possible? Jut my .02

I think so. The corporation that I am apart of is fairly small in EvE, but it's filled with professionals, most of whom have a degree, including myself. I'm not saying that these players are better than players in other games, but maybe more motivated?

Originally posted by 13lake

You could live your whole life just playing Eve Online, without ever having the need to spend a second in the real world :)

Dude, it's only a game.

Originally posted by Phaserlight

Originally posted by 13lake

You could live your whole life just playing Eve Online, without ever having the need to spend a second in the real world :)

Dude, it's only a game.

it's a little more. it's a virtual universe.

many people's lives are meaningless from end to end, particularly in ultra-poor regions of the world.... As long as he's happy in his game, what's it to you?

Originally posted by AvsRock21

Originally posted by johnjec

 

Thanks for all of the replies. In reading these posts there are two things that become apparent. First, when it comes to MMO's and PVP, I always picture a guy with a sword jumping over me, bunny hopping around trying to kill me. I don't think that is what EVE is about. I get the impetion that decisions have to be well thought out and personality does matter. Secondly, I also get the impretion that you guys are not 12 and 14 years old. Instead of being barraged my meaningless antics, it seems there is a level of maturity in this community. I'm also thinking that if there are indeed particular people in the game that control vast areas of space and wealth, it may also stand to reason that these people are probably a cut above the rest in real life. Is this possible? Jut my .02

I think so. The corporation that I am apart of is fairly small in EvE, but it's filled with professionals, most of whom have a degree, including myself. I'm not saying that these players are better than players in other games, but maybe more motivated?

Well, just as one can be a criminal genius in real life, there are very brilliant but flawed individuals in EVE such as the Mitanni who runs the Goonswarm.  Quite powerful, but no one is nominating him for the Nobel prize in humanitarism. 

I have met more Doctors, Engineers, Lawyers, Military people and other professionals in EVE than any other MMORPG I've played and it definintely has limited appeal to teenagers (and women for some reason)

i've met women in EVE. interestingly most of them are good players that I don't want to be on the opposite fleet from :)

Not many but they exist. But I suppose military games appeal more to testosterone. :D

Without getting too stereotypical, 'breaking someone else's toys' has always been traiditionally more male-oriented kind of fun. Don't know why, not going to pretend I do. It's just how it's been historically. amazons aside.