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  elocke

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10/20/12 10:54:17 PM#21
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by elocke
Except...the pet battles are just a mini game and quite pointless to the overall game.   If they were incorporated into the game and had any meaningful rewards I would be all over it.  It doesn't, therefore I'm not and quickly got bored after getting a pet to level 5.
 

you mean like achievements? Or countless othe things in many games?

Erm, no.  I don't mean that.  Achievements can be considered a way of delivering content in the game.  Mini games like this, do not.  I guess it would make sense, if it fit the world and lore.  The way Keg Brawl does in GW2.  But these pet battles....make me feel like I'm stepping back into 8 bit territory and it's just...boring and non immersive pertaining to the world of Azeroth.

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  elocke

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10/20/12 10:58:38 PM#22
Originally posted by maplestone
Originally posted by elocke
Except...the pet battles are just a mini game and quite pointless to the overall game. 

Um ... MMOs have no point except what you choose to make the point.

Umm, let's stay on topic and not try to mince words to suit your "pointless" argument.  :D  Saying pet battles in their current form in WoW are pointless to the overall game has nothing to do with MMOs in general. 

Now to further have this make sense to you who just want to argue because you like the system, why not add some type of reward system to enhance it and make it worthwhile.  Like titles, or a special mount from winning so many battles.  See, this is where WoW's lack of other systems such as housing really make potential systems like this fall by the wayside.  If you had housing you could make pet batttles a nice primary way of earning furniture and other additions to your housing.   Thereby making it rewarding and fitting into the world and design of MMOs.

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  GeezerGamer

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10/20/12 11:26:00 PM#23
Originally posted by Zeppelin4
No matter how many times I read this I'm still trying to figure out why put this in the game. What does it add? It seems pointless and silly. To each their own I guess. 

And yet, people in the game are having a blast playing it. It's a mini game. I personally could care less, in fact, I haven't even paid the 100G to train it. But that's my opinion. But just because we don't like it, it's still quite popular and quite active.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  muffins89

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10/20/12 11:53:11 PM#24
Originally posted by elocke
Originally posted by maplestone
Originally posted by elocke
Except...the pet battles are just a mini game and quite pointless to the overall game. 

Um ... MMOs have no point except what you choose to make the point.

Umm, let's stay on topic and not try to mince words to suit your "pointless" argument.  :D  Saying pet battles in their current form in WoW are pointless to the overall game has nothing to do with MMOs in general. 

Now to further have this make sense to you who just want to argue because you like the system, why not add some type of reward system to enhance it and make it worthwhile.  Like titles, or a special mount from winning so many battles.  See, this is where WoW's lack of other systems such as housing really make potential systems like this fall by the wayside.  If you had housing you could make pet batttles a nice primary way of earning furniture and other additions to your housing.   Thereby making it rewarding and fitting into the world and design of MMOs.

i thought the point of playing games was for fun.  why does everything have to have a reward tied to it?  why does everything have to have an incentive?  it isnt enough that some people find these pet battles fun?  

I think the prostitute mod corrupted your game files man. -elhefen

  skamper

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10/21/12 1:49:44 AM#25

Pet battles are a great addition to the game and something to do between down time.  This is probably the best addition to the game.

 

Scenarios on the other hand are pointless and worthless. You basically out gear them within 10 minutes of being 90. I have NO idea why these were not pre-90 mini dungeons to help with leveling. IE: use scaling to allow all players to participate.

 

Daily quest grind is beyond stupid right now. They said there would be choice and there is not. You have to grind 45 daily quests a week to get tokens.

 

Challenge mode is meh. Harder dungeon for VP and cosmetic gear. Would have much rather enjoyed an actual Elite mode dungeon with 470 item level gear or something. No dungeon finder.

 

Raiding is raiding. Except now, the competitiveness is pretty much stupid. Black market auction house allows for the really rich to buy heroic gear. The guilds who have been able to farm Galleon (496) and Black Market (509) are the ones who are 6/6H while the people gearing up the natural way are stuck 2/6 or 3/6H. Shout out to the guilds who stacked HoTW druids.

 

Heroic dungeons are just a quick 15 minute run to get some VP or gear. A lot easier than Burning Crusdae and slightly easier than Cata.

 

Talents - Some specs have mandatory talents like hunters (glaive toss or lynx rush), while other classes like monk have real choice.

 

Monk is pretty cool. Healing is over powered. You will see a ton of monks being brought to heroic bosses and guilds 4 healing with 2. Brewmaster is comparable to other tanks, but has issues when generating chi while moving. Also pretty prone to large attacks because shuffle can fall off when having to move. Monk dps is pretty much just rogue (energy and combo points). Keep up buffs and dps.

 

Worth mentioning: Rare monsters are fun to farm now. They drop some neat things. Cross realm zone is a great feature. It's fun to see barrens or redridge filled with players again.

 
Overall pretty much the same as cata with a few changes.
  FelixMajor

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10/21/12 1:57:44 AM#26
Originally posted by Zeppelin4
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Zeppelin4
No matter how many times I read this I'm still trying to figure out why put this in the game. What does it add? It seems pointless and silly. To each their own I guess. 

One thing any good MMO will have is non cobat, non progression things to do.  Like in EQ2 you have housing and collections.  Rift you have artifacts.  WoW (and most games) you have mount and pet collecting.

 

For years people have been asking blizzard for something to do with all the pets theyve gathered.  Blizzard answered.  There is no question the game is better because its in there, even if half the players feel like you do.  MMOs need more of this sort of thing.

From what I read the point of this is combat. And it seems strange to take companions and make a combat game out of them. Why not add housing and let them run free around the house and or yard.  That would make more sense to me then this. 

Housing is something I think WoW, after TEN years of running should have.

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  bigcheeseuk

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10/21/12 2:11:16 AM#27
Dumb down the game and introduce gimmicks for kids? You lost me long ago WoW. Give it a few years and the corporations will have turned it into pokemon online.
 
  Coolit

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10/21/12 5:17:09 AM#28

I think the best thing about the xpac is the pet battle system, it seems pretty cool and well implemented.

The worst thing is the fact if you want valor gear at 90 you have to do 3734875934 dailies to get the required rep with each faction before you can purchase items from each vendor. I don’t mind dailies at all but the sheer number of them is excessive and it quickly becomes a chore. If you have alts the grind involved in getting good gear for them makes it even more of a grindfest. I thought they were meant to be moving away from grind as a form of content in mmos, obviously not.

  stevebmbsqd

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10/21/12 5:22:24 AM#29
Originally posted by roo67

I really enjoyed this game once . I don't even feel like going back for nostalgias sake anymore as I have done in the past . Theres so much they could have done with this game .ie player housing , guild halls . There so many fantasy creatures they could have used Centaurs and Ogres would have been good . Hell even leprechauns . They've given us pet battles and pandas .

I remember all those jokes about go play hello kitty island in WoW vanilla ,somehow I dount the people making them would have done so had they known what WoW itself would look like in 7 years .

Still Hello Kittys mega popular and so is WoW .........nuff said .

 

The fans actually chose pandas. They ran a poll and the Pandaren were the most requested race addition. How are you going to hate on Blizzard for giving fans what they asked for?

  fivoroth

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10/21/12 5:32:43 AM#30

Haha, what's the point of giving a new type of content to players in an MMO?? There is no point to pet battles so they automatically become not fun?

What's the point of housing? What's the point of having WvW? Cause I can't see the "point". Why do you guys need some greater purpose to play a game or some type of content within it. When you get some mini games (btw did you remember that they promissed like 50 mini games but they are not in the game?) in GW2, they are the best thing since sliced bread but if WoW gets one it sucks?

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  fixif

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10/21/12 6:49:13 AM#31

Some of these comments are really ununderstandable to me. Comments like "ezmode" and of similar nature don't have really that much in common with this article.

TBC is the "go to" place for most players if you want the most hardcore era of WoW. Now, would you say that if TBC had pet-battles? If your answer changed than you are not a very bright person and should maybe leave MMOs alltogether.

Pet battles are just  time sink, just an extra things to do while you are bored. They are in no way related to anything other in the game, it does not make you life easier in PvE nor PvP. You just battle with pets. There is nothing more to it.

Now people with already established opinion won't changed them no matter what, which is kinda sad really. First try it, then you can shit all over it.

  faxnadu

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10/21/12 6:59:38 AM#32
Originally posted by Zeppelin4
No matter how many times I read this I'm still trying to figure out why put this in the game. What does it add? It seems pointless and silly. To each their own I guess. 

without lots of minigames online games dies within a month, see it to yourself. dont think there is any label that gathers so much minigames and off things to do than just epic questing and dungeon crawling.

  elocke

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10/21/12 7:31:00 AM#33
Originally posted by muffins89
Originally posted by elocke
Originally posted by maplestone
Originally posted by elocke
Except...the pet battles are just a mini game and quite pointless to the overall game. 

Um ... MMOs have no point except what you choose to make the point.

Umm, let's stay on topic and not try to mince words to suit your "pointless" argument.  :D  Saying pet battles in their current form in WoW are pointless to the overall game has nothing to do with MMOs in general. 

Now to further have this make sense to you who just want to argue because you like the system, why not add some type of reward system to enhance it and make it worthwhile.  Like titles, or a special mount from winning so many battles.  See, this is where WoW's lack of other systems such as housing really make potential systems like this fall by the wayside.  If you had housing you could make pet batttles a nice primary way of earning furniture and other additions to your housing.   Thereby making it rewarding and fitting into the world and design of MMOs.

i thought the point of playing games was for fun.  why does everything have to have a reward tied to it?  why does everything have to have an incentive?  it isnt enough that some people find these pet battles fun?  

If you find that fun, than have a blast.  I personally don't.  Hence why I have an opinion about it and why I felt I could share what would make it better for me and others like myself.

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  Xiaoki

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10/21/12 1:14:14 PM#34


Originally posted by FelixMajor
Housing is something I think WoW, after TEN years of running should have.

Then its a good thing that WoW has only been running for EIGHT years. So, according to you they have 2 years to add housing.

  User Deleted
10/21/12 2:11:57 PM#35
Originally posted by stevebmbsqd
Originally posted by roo67

I really enjoyed this game once . I don't even feel like going back for nostalgias sake anymore as I have done in the past . Theres so much they could have done with this game .ie player housing , guild halls . There so many fantasy creatures they could have used Centaurs and Ogres would have been good . Hell even leprechauns . They've given us pet battles and pandas .

I remember all those jokes about go play hello kitty island in WoW vanilla ,somehow I dount the people making them would have done so had they known what WoW itself would look like in 7 years .

Still Hello Kittys mega popular and so is WoW .........nuff said .

 

The fans actually chose pandas. They ran a poll and the Pandaren were the most requested race addition. How are you going to hate on Blizzard for giving fans what they asked for?

What your talking about is a minority of fans who are vocal in forums .

 

Blizzard listened to that vocal minority . Everyone knows Blizzard regarded them as a joke race .

 

I believe they were even April fool joke in 2002 .

 

http://www.wowwiki.com/Pandaren_(April_Fools)

 

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  echolynfan

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10/21/12 2:36:10 PM#36
Originally posted by Zeppelin4
No matter how many times I read this I'm still trying to figure out why put this in the game. What does it add? It seems pointless and silly. To each their own I guess. 

Umm...I don't know...maybe something FUN to do besides doing raids over and over again for gear?

MMO's need more kinds of side things to do to break up the monotony (ie gear treadmill). What seems pointless and silly to you might be incredibly fun for someone else.

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  Gravarg

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10/21/12 5:24:59 PM#37
Originally posted by Zeppelin4
No matter how many times I read this I'm still trying to figure out why put this in the game. What does it add? It seems pointless and silly. To each their own I guess. 

It's not for everyone, and you don't have to do it.  Which is what makes WoW what it is.  You can take WoW and form it into the game you want.  If you're a PvP junky, you can PvP til your heart's content.  If you want to raid all the time, you can do that til the cows come home.  If you are a collector like myself, then you'll love it.

 

If you ever played animal crossing or pokemon or anything that has to do with pet battling or collecting, then you'll like it.  I'm a big fan of the pet battles, and got my "Zookeeper" Title which I wear proudly all the time, and people always congratulate me on it, since it's one of the harder titles to get out of MoP.  Well, it's not really hard, as much as it takes alot of luck and tons of patience and perseverance.

 
Edit: just bragging here, but i got almost all the achievements done, all I need now is the 10,000 pet battle and pvp battle achievements.  I think it's 10,000 anyways
  Vannor

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10/21/12 6:49:42 PM#38
I dunno.. i mean, if i want to play pokemon (I don't) then I will play pokemon.. not WOW.
  logan400k

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10/21/12 9:21:34 PM#39

This is definitely something that many of the active core of WoW players would like. They are collectors and completionists. So something kind of mindless like this seems entirely appropriate to the player base, if not necessarily to the world itself.  As a player I have zero interest in it, but I definitely see where it might appeal to some people. I am not sure it is giving anyone a reason to be more social however, mainly because I am not sure people in general understand the word or the thought process behind "social" interaction. Now if they could tie it into the game lore, then that would make the immersion aspect better.

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  Ausare

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10/21/12 9:43:27 PM#40
Originally posted by roo67
Originally posted by stevebmbsqd
Originally posted by roo67

I really enjoyed this game once . I don't even feel like going back for nostalgias sake anymore as I have done in the past . Theres so much they could have done with this game .ie player housing , guild halls . There so many fantasy creatures they could have used Centaurs and Ogres would have been good . Hell even leprechauns . They've given us pet battles and pandas .

I remember all those jokes about go play hello kitty island in WoW vanilla ,somehow I dount the people making them would have done so had they known what WoW itself would look like in 7 years .

Still Hello Kittys mega popular and so is WoW .........nuff said .

 

The fans actually chose pandas. They ran a poll and the Pandaren were the most requested race addition. How are you going to hate on Blizzard for giving fans what they asked for?

What your talking about is a minority of fans who are vocal in forums .

 

Blizzard listened to that vocal minority . Everyone knows Blizzard regarded them as a joke race .

 

I believe they were even April fool joke in 2002 .

 

http://www.wowwiki.com/Pandaren_(April_Fools)

 

Theres a British expression "put that in your pipe and smoke it "

 

Glad blizzard does not listen to the vocal minority here or they would think their game sucks.
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