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General Discussion  » So will DF:UW be a real deal Sandbox this time around, or a open endgame themepark like the first game?

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  kaiser3282

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10/21/12 7:42:39 AM#101
Originally posted by skamper
Originally posted by Murdus

It's Darkfall 1, with a new skill system, redesigned map, better graphics, new GUI...

So whatever that means.

I doubt the graphics will be much better.

 

OP - Pretty much going to be a large Quake 3 FFA with magic. They need to add way more RP elements to even be called an mmoRPg.

I take it you're completely oblivious to the several videos which show the new graphics... No it's not Crysis 3, but the game would be unplayble if it looked like that. It does look quite a bit nicer than it used to.

It's not missing any "RP elements", in fact it has more than most games with the freedom to RP your character however you want rather than being locked into a bunch of specifics through strict factions and storylines by the devs. It sounds like you either want more of that stuff, which would make it even more themepark, or feel that it isnt sandbox enough to be considered RPG, when themepark or sandbox has no bearing on wether a game is RPG or not.

  Mesfenlir

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10/21/12 8:15:38 AM#102

A sandbox doesn´t need to be 100% to be considerer as one.

A true sandbox is xsyon or uo, but is this mean that df is not a sandbox cos doesn´t have so many options? Not at all.

Just a different kind of sandbox. At least in my opinion.

  itchmon

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10/21/12 8:40:03 AM#103

why do i keep replying in threads started by exposed?  it's like feeding the trolls... wait it's not LIKE feeding trolls, it IS feeding trolls.

 

well i guess "get people to post" is what spotlight posters are sposed to do so he / she is doing their job :)

 

my 2cp...

 

People (with sense) are arguing about whether DF1 was more sandbox or more like a CS type of game with levels.  I say 'with sense' because to call it a theme-park mmo is nonsense.at no point in my 3 months DF experience did i feel like i was moving myself from station to station and just performing the activities that were designed for me at those stations (this being the definition of a theme-park, THINK about how the example relates to actually literally going to a theme park!).

 

to me what causes the argument of "pvp arena vs MMO sandbox" is the lack of punishment for pvp actions.  To me a sandbox MMO does NOT stop people from doing something such as kill a player who is brand new in a fight the new player cannot hope to win.  HOWEVER the sandbox mmo DOES punish the criminal player.  A la EVE online and the inevitable "concordokken" that will hit the criminal if they do this in high sec, or a la L2 where red players have a chance to drop their loot, and can't gain exp at the same rate as non-red.

 

Sandbox MMO is sposed to be a virtual world with systems to let its players interact within the world.  one of those systems has to be a police of some sort.

 

I have heard people argue that DF is like the real world, if someone wants to harm you then you'd best be on your guard because nobody's going to stop them.   to which i would reply... in the real world we have these things called consequences for our actions.  someone who wishes to harm me had best weigh the satisfaction of harming me (i can think of a few ex girl friends who might be doing this as we speak... shiver) vs the punishment they would have to face of going to jail.

 

if DF had a more robust police in place i dont think there would be any real largument over whether or not its a sandbox.

 

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  Betaguy

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10/21/12 8:52:12 AM#104
Originally posted by TheHavok

How exactly was DFO an open ended themepark?  What does that even mean?

I have been playing games for over 20+ years, it is not a real term...the kid made it up and has his own definition of what it means I am sure.

  Zorgo

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10/21/12 9:14:11 AM#105
Originally posted by MMOExposed
Originally posted by Hotjazz
Originally posted by stugurt
sandbox building would improve gameplay drastically. Predesignated keeps made the game linear and stale.

I know a lot would like to build houses everywhere they can, but we have to be carefull for what we ask. I played UO, and in that game we could place a house anywhere if we found a spot. The whole world was littered with houses, and it was like running in a city most of the places.

http://andygirvan.com/2010/07/ultima-online-an-isometric-trip-down-memory-lane/

 

I know some of you have a fantasy you will be able to build a house away from other players, but that is just a dream. In UO every single flat spot all over the world had a house, tower or castle. This is how Darkfall will be if they let us build houses where we want.

 

http://www.mac512.com/uo/darkinn.html

 

Look how close those three houses are and just scale it up. You had more nature in New york than in a flat area in UO.

 

I  hope DF will have more house spots, but in designated places.

wait wait wait, do you want a Themepark or a Sandbox?

simple question really. You are just sitting back trying to defend DF1's themeparkish design with the negatives of a sandbox game.

logically doesnt fit the discussion, since thats the whole reason Themepark concept was made, to address the many negative aspects of Sandbox MMO like UO.

your argument seem to be the same as those themepark mmo designers, not of a sandbox.

So your theory is that a 'real' sandbox designer ignores the negative aspects of a Sandbox mmo.......because that would make him a themepark designer....

And you talk about what logically fits the discussion.....

 

  User Deleted
10/21/12 9:29:36 AM#106
Its going to be a battle arena FFA full loot pvp game with crafting and clan seiges.  Nothing more.
  User Deleted
10/21/12 9:50:20 AM#107
This thread....
  Gdemami

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10/21/12 9:52:29 AM#108


Originally posted by Zorgo

So your theory is that a 'real' sandbox designer ignores the negative aspects of a Sandbox mmo.......because that would make him a themepark designer....

You just described how most posters here envision a sandbox - go anywhere, do anything..

  Cecropia

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10/21/12 10:49:15 AM#109
Originally posted by Crunchy222
Its going to be a battle arena FFA full loot pvp game with crafting and clan seiges.  Nothing more.

I did more than that tiny list in the first Darkfall. Out of curiosity, how did you find the new role system during your play time in UW?

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  Hotjazz

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10/21/12 11:30:28 AM#110
Originally posted by MMOExposed

wait wait wait, do you want a Themepark or a Sandbox?

 Themepark concept was made, to address the many negative aspects of Sandbox MMO like UO.

your argument seem to be the same as those themepark mmo designers, not of a sandbox.

Yes, in your deranged world UO wasn`t a sandbox either.

 

"Darkfall isn`t a sandbox, because I can`t fly a spaceship with my gay wookie char."  WTF?

 

What you are looking for isn`t  a sandbox, it`s called a trollbox. A trollbox mmo never have and never will excist. Trollbox mmos only appear  in forums when trolls try to defend their shallow, boring and linear themepark games. Darkfall is a true sandbox and one of the very few out there. I want you to name ONE game that fits your weird vision of a sandbox, and If you can`t  I`ll just call you a pathetic, lying troll.

 

Now please go back to your Lotr game and kill som NPC orcs .....Legolas....Haha

  Hancakes

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10/21/12 11:33:18 AM#111
Originally posted by Crunchy222
Its going to be a battle arena FFA full loot pvp game with crafting and clan seiges.  Nothing more.

Perfect

  Lahuzer

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10/21/12 11:40:26 AM#112
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Crunchy222
Its going to be a battle arena FFA full loot pvp game with crafting and clan seiges.  Nothing more.

Perfect

Not at all. Boring. Fine for those that want that, but not for peeps that want a sandbox MMO.

  User Deleted
10/21/12 11:41:45 AM#113
Originally posted by DavisFlight

....

 

.......

 

Do you even know what a themepark is? Holy hell.

You can't have an "open ended themepark" just like you can't have a "public instance".

Although I agree with your premise, Anarchy Online had Public Instances...kinda like different servers for the same dungeon...first of its kind actually...I know...Im reading way too far into it.

Can't believe that someone would actually use themepark with Darkfall though...not even close

  Params7

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10/21/12 11:42:02 AM#114
Originally posted by itchmon

why do i keep replying in threads started by exposed?  it's like feeding the trolls... wait it's not LIKE feeding trolls, it IS feeding trolls.

 

well i guess "get people to post" is what spotlight posters are sposed to do so he / she is doing their job :)

 

my 2cp...

...

 

thanks for reading.

 

100% agree with this. Some sort of policing system is a must. Whether by NPC's or bounty on players, etc.

  Hotjazz

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10/21/12 11:43:06 AM#115
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by Crunchy222
Its going to be a battle arena FFA full loot pvp game with crafting and clan seiges.  Nothing more.

Perfect

I wish it was that perfect, but sadly is it not.

 

I have to kill stupid, boring and scripted NPCs to get gear. I also have to farm resources to be able to craft things, and that means I have to look into a tree or a rock for a long time.

  PyrateLV

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10/21/12 12:08:47 PM#116
Originally posted by Crunchy222
Its going to be a battle arena FFA full loot pvp game with crafting and clan seiges.  Nothing more.

Exactly

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  Gdemami

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10/21/12 12:10:58 PM#117


Originally posted by PyrateLV

Originally posted by Crunchy222 Its going to be a battle arena FFA full loot pvp game with crafting and clan seiges.  Nothing more.
Exactly

And people wonder why Darkfall isn't a sandbox...

  User Deleted
10/21/12 12:14:13 PM#118
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by PyrateLV

Originally posted by Crunchy222 Its going to be a battle arena FFA full loot pvp game with crafting and clan seiges.  Nothing more.
Exactly

 

And people wonder why Darkfall isn't a sandbox...

Yes, two people proclaiming it to be a pvp arena (my sides) game proves that no doubt....

  Hancakes

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10/21/12 12:55:29 PM#119
Funny how those clamoring about "real sandbox" are the ones asking for game mechanics to protect them. 
  Gdemami

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10/21/12 12:57:51 PM#120


Originally posted by Hancakes

Funny how those clamoring about "real sandbox" are the ones asking for game mechanics to protect them. 


That is what makes it a sandbox. There is no freedom without effective law system.

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