Originally posted by erictlewis

Originally posted by SlickShoes

Rocket posted this today on the DayZ forums:

 

After seing that there is no way I would invest in warz.  I seen this type of bad dev behavior before with helious from swg.  When dev's think they are god, and the palyers can be talked to like dogs, then you have a problem.  

I got to say I think this dev is a dirtbag.

DayZ, not WarZ.

And yeah, Helios is/was a POS.

you guys need to realize that  THE War Z is NOT the standalone version on the DayZ mod for Arma 2

the War Z is from a pop up company that did not exist 3 months ago called Hammerpoint Interactive.

the War Z lead dev is called Sergey Tittov  you can read many posts from him on thier forum http://forums.thewarz.com/forum.php

DayZ is developed by Dean Hall at Bohemia Interactive and the mod has been running for 6 months + now DayZ Forums are over here http://dayzmod.com/forum/

I have Played both games 

and the one single most important fact about the two games is this

The WarZ is a pay to win game

DayZ is not 

Th WarZ has a cash shop where you can buy ammo (ammo loot is very rare in game) and you can buy head gear that adds armor.

when your character dies you drop everything you are carrying as loot. and when you restart a new character you can go to the shop and your global inventory and equip weapons and ammo etc so that you start with an already geared character.

the fact that ammo is rare in game but can be bought from the cash shop is THE definition of PAY TO WIN.

we as gamers should refuse to support this new gaming trend. only by speaking with our wallets will the industry stop making pay to win games.

Originally posted by Osirrus

you guys need to realize that  THE War Z is NOT the standalone version on the DayZ mod for Arma 2

 

the War Z is from a pop up company that did not exist 3 months ago called Hammerpoint Interactive.

the War Z lead dev is called Sergey Tittov  you can read many posts from him on thier forum http://forums.thewarz.com/forum.php

 

DayZ is developed by Dean Hall at Bohemia Interactive and the mod has been running for 6 months + now DayZ Forums are over here http://dayzmod.com/forum/

I have Played both games 

and the one single most important fact about the two games is this

The WarZ is a pay to win game

DayZ is not 

 

Th WarZ has a cash shop where you can buy ammo (ammo loot is very rare in game) and you can buy head gear that adds armor.

when your character dies you drop everything you are carrying as loot. and when you restart a new character you can go to the shop and your global inventory and equip weapons and ammo etc so that you start with an already geared character.

 

the fact that ammo is rare in game but can be bought from the cash shop is THE definition of PAY TO WIN.

 

we as gamers should refuse to support this new gaming trend. only by speaking with our wallets will the industry stop making pay to win games.

And while that may be true, it has nothing to do with this thread, which is about the developer of DayZ having a meltdown.

Originally posted by Thomas2006

Why does it seem like anytime Rocket says anything he makes it feel / sound like he is holier then thou. Like he is the super star developer that can do no wrong?

Truth is that if his publisher says jump he is going to jump just like any other developer with a publisher. No matter how much he makes it sound like he isnt going to release crap, ect ect. He will do whatever the publisher tells him too.

Hate to state the obvious but its because of the mentality of the PK'er slash ganker mindset.  As much as I like the model for DayZ, it's inhabitants leave alot to be desired and as such there is nothing this side of the sun that could ever make a PvP game work.

I couldnt care less what the context of Dean's comments were related too but its not good PR and its very detrimental to the game as a whole to have your developer go off on something like that.  However it isnt the first time, he routinely goes off on random forum posters expressing "certain" concerns that mod had.

I wish DayZ all the best but they wont get my gameing dollars because of this douchebaggery attitude.  Hey Rocket, heres a tip if your making a game for ONLY you, then you have all the rights to do as you please, but any time you bring consumers into the fold, your #1 priority should be the consumers, because they pay your effing bills.

   The guys just tired of all the flies from piles of bullshit,, getting in the way of designing a good game. Its seems he does not discriminate and realizes that the piles are being shat out by both haters and fanboys ..big businesss and the little fish alike..and he's just fed up of fielding questions about all of it. He just wants to make a good game he'd want to play and be proud of creating.

   I think the accessibiility means he's not willing to dumb-down the gameplay to allow any thumbless monkey to play...and I can't disagree with his disdain for pre-purchase offers. All in all i don't see how people see him as a douche when he quite honestly seems the most sincere  of any developer i've read about ...a straight shooter with a touch of integrity. I hope the standalone "DayZ" is as great as he intends.

Originally posted by Zylaxx

Originally posted by Thomas2006

Why does it seem like anytime Rocket says anything he makes it feel / sound like he is holier then thou. Like he is the super star developer that can do no wrong?

Truth is that if his publisher says jump he is going to jump just like any other developer with a publisher. No matter how much he makes it sound like he isnt going to release crap, ect ect. He will do whatever the publisher tells him too.

Hate to state the obvious but its because of the mentality of the PK'er slash ganker mindset.  As much as I like the model for DayZ, it's inhabitants leave alot to be desired and as such there is nothing this side of the sun that could ever make a PvP game work.

 

I couldnt care less what the context of Dean's comments were related too but its not good PR and its very detrimental to the game as a whole to have your developer go off on something like that.  However it isnt the first time, he routinely goes off on random forum posters expressing "certain" concerns that mod had.

 

I wish DayZ all the best but they wont get my gameing dollars because of this douchebaggery attitude.  Hey Rocket, heres a tip if your making a game for ONLY you, then you have all the rights to do as you please, but any time you bring consumers into the fold, your #1 priority should be the consumers, because they pay your effing bills.

The state of DayZ and its inhabitants?

You and everyone else seem to think that the game is filled with people farming fresh player spawns and running in gank squads all over the place.

The biggest problem just now in the game are hackers but thats because the mod is basically unsupported now while they make it in to an actual game. 

DayZ became a success because of the gameplay it offered, if that scares you or you are offended by it don't play it. 

There is NO way they should even consider adding PvE servers or anything else just because some players demand it. He is making this game the same way he envisioned the mod when he made that, people seem to like it just not you.

Hey I have an idea, can we get Arena Net to make a full loot open pvp server on GW2, that would be fantastic, you know lots of players want it so why should they restrict the game to only PvE, they are so far up there own butt they can't see what real players want!

Yeah that paragraph above is horse shit.

DayZ is being made in to a stand alone game because there is a demand for it, the guy made the mod and over 1 million people have played it. This game isn't born out of some need to make money, the idea for it didn't come from a man in a suit sitting in an office. It's not the soul purpose of the game to bring in income for bohemia. The only reason they have put a team behind it now is that this mod has shown there is a demand for this type of game, if it doesn't have PvE then just go and play the 1000 other games that offer you that experience, make sure you buy something in the cash shop too, we wouldn't want those business men to go hungry!

Originally posted by SlickShoes

Originally posted by Zylaxx

Originally posted by Thomas2006

Why does it seem like anytime Rocket says anything he makes it feel / sound like he is holier then thou. Like he is the super star developer that can do no wrong?

Truth is that if his publisher says jump he is going to jump just like any other developer with a publisher. No matter how much he makes it sound like he isnt going to release crap, ect ect. He will do whatever the publisher tells him too.

Hate to state the obvious but its because of the mentality of the PK'er slash ganker mindset.  As much as I like the model for DayZ, it's inhabitants leave alot to be desired and as such there is nothing this side of the sun that could ever make a PvP game work.

 

I couldnt care less what the context of Dean's comments were related too but its not good PR and its very detrimental to the game as a whole to have your developer go off on something like that.  However it isnt the first time, he routinely goes off on random forum posters expressing "certain" concerns that mod had.

 

I wish DayZ all the best but they wont get my gameing dollars because of this douchebaggery attitude.  Hey Rocket, heres a tip if your making a game for ONLY you, then you have all the rights to do as you please, but any time you bring consumers into the fold, your #1 priority should be the consumers, because they pay your effing bills.

The state of DayZ and its inhabitants?

You and everyone else seem to think that the game is filled with people farming fresh player spawns and running in gank squads all over the place.

The biggest problem just now in the game are hackers but thats because the mod is basically unsupported now while they make it in to an actual game. 

DayZ became a success because of the gameplay it offered, if that scares you or you are offended by it don't play it. 

There is NO way they should even consider adding PvE servers or anything else just because some players demand it. He is making this game the same way he envisioned the mod when he made that, people seem to like it just not you.

Hey I have an idea, can we get Arena Net to make a full loot open pvp server on GW2, that would be fantastic, you know lots of players want it so why should they restrict the game to only PvE, they are so far up there own butt they can't see what real players want!

Yeah that paragraph above is horse shit.

More proof of what that style of gaming brings.

Originally posted by Zylaxx

Originally posted by SlickShoes

Originally posted by Zylaxx

Originally posted by Thomas2006

Why does it seem like anytime Rocket says anything he makes it feel / sound like he is holier then thou. Like he is the super star developer that can do no wrong?

Truth is that if his publisher says jump he is going to jump just like any other developer with a publisher. No matter how much he makes it sound like he isnt going to release crap, ect ect. He will do whatever the publisher tells him too.

Hate to state the obvious but its because of the mentality of the PK'er slash ganker mindset.  As much as I like the model for DayZ, it's inhabitants leave alot to be desired and as such there is nothing this side of the sun that could ever make a PvP game work.

 

I couldnt care less what the context of Dean's comments were related too but its not good PR and its very detrimental to the game as a whole to have your developer go off on something like that.  However it isnt the first time, he routinely goes off on random forum posters expressing "certain" concerns that mod had.

 

I wish DayZ all the best but they wont get my gameing dollars because of this douchebaggery attitude.  Hey Rocket, heres a tip if your making a game for ONLY you, then you have all the rights to do as you please, but any time you bring consumers into the fold, your #1 priority should be the consumers, because they pay your effing bills.

The state of DayZ and its inhabitants?

You and everyone else seem to think that the game is filled with people farming fresh player spawns and running in gank squads all over the place.

The biggest problem just now in the game are hackers but thats because the mod is basically unsupported now while they make it in to an actual game. 

DayZ became a success because of the gameplay it offered, if that scares you or you are offended by it don't play it. 

There is NO way they should even consider adding PvE servers or anything else just because some players demand it. He is making this game the same way he envisioned the mod when he made that, people seem to like it just not you.

Hey I have an idea, can we get Arena Net to make a full loot open pvp server on GW2, that would be fantastic, you know lots of players want it so why should they restrict the game to only PvE, they are so far up there own butt they can't see what real players want!

Yeah that paragraph above is horse shit.

More proof of what that style of gaming brings.

People that enjoy a style of game that you don't?

What a horror!

I think he may be having a pop at the WarZ devs and fanbois.

I think it's about time a Developer actually says what's honestly on his mind, rather than just do some good PR to cater to the whiners.

All true and best artists were douche bags. You simply can not do anything good if you are not.

No mater how good you make game (or something) you can not please everyone.

So you have to stick to your idea and vision - and only way to do it is to be douche bag.

He is responding to all the other douchebags.

pretty much saying he isnt going to respond the bashers, whiners, fanboys, or overall any critic (good or bad) ... 

and just "try to" make a great game.... without all the BS.

Just think about it, everyone can see the game community is harsh and completely full of  assholes.

people + internet =  fuktards.

Just trying to please all these people could hurt your game.

Keep with your vision. its how all those great games came about.

Originally posted by SlickShoes

Originally posted by Zylaxx

Originally posted by SlickShoes

Originally posted by Zylaxx

Originally posted by Thomas2006

Why does it seem like anytime Rocket says anything he makes it feel / sound like he is holier then thou. Like he is the super star developer that can do no wrong?

Truth is that if his publisher says jump he is going to jump just like any other developer with a publisher. No matter how much he makes it sound like he isnt going to release crap, ect ect. He will do whatever the publisher tells him too.

Hate to state the obvious but its because of the mentality of the PK'er slash ganker mindset.  As much as I like the model for DayZ, it's inhabitants leave alot to be desired and as such there is nothing this side of the sun that could ever make a PvP game work.

 

I couldnt care less what the context of Dean's comments were related too but its not good PR and its very detrimental to the game as a whole to have your developer go off on something like that.  However it isnt the first time, he routinely goes off on random forum posters expressing "certain" concerns that mod had.

 

I wish DayZ all the best but they wont get my gameing dollars because of this douchebaggery attitude.  Hey Rocket, heres a tip if your making a game for ONLY you, then you have all the rights to do as you please, but any time you bring consumers into the fold, your #1 priority should be the consumers, because they pay your effing bills.

The state of DayZ and its inhabitants?

You and everyone else seem to think that the game is filled with people farming fresh player spawns and running in gank squads all over the place.

The biggest problem just now in the game are hackers but thats because the mod is basically unsupported now while they make it in to an actual game. 

DayZ became a success because of the gameplay it offered, if that scares you or you are offended by it don't play it. 

There is NO way they should even consider adding PvE servers or anything else just because some players demand it. He is making this game the same way he envisioned the mod when he made that, people seem to like it just not you.

Hey I have an idea, can we get Arena Net to make a full loot open pvp server on GW2, that would be fantastic, you know lots of players want it so why should they restrict the game to only PvE, they are so far up there own butt they can't see what real players want!

Yeah that paragraph above is horse shit.

More proof of what that style of gaming brings.

People that enjoy a style of game that you don't?

What a horror!

"Real" players apparently...

Is the air thin up on that high horse Slick? Maybe you should come down before you get light headed.

He is 100% right of course, but he really shouldn't be coming out with it as it simply will not reflect well. "OMG what a douche!", well perhaps, but that douche is also pretty much spot on.

As for people asking about the context of the piece, is that really necessary?

Take a look on this forum, take a look in this thread. See all the rabid hyperbole from both the pro and anti camps? See all the OTT bickering, straw man arguments and personal attacks? See people calling others sociopaths because they don't like the same game? Or carebear losers for the same reason?

Or maybe take a look at the industry, see where it has come from and see where it is heading, from deep, virtual worlds to "it's over in a month but at least you don't have to pay a sub" games. We are talking about an industry where accessibility is everything, not challenge, not depth, not the virtual world. (I like to add my own hyperbole from time to time, it seems fitting for these boards).

It's all the context you should ever need.

Originally posted by cinos

Originally posted by SlickShoes

Originally posted by Zylaxx

Originally posted by SlickShoes

Originally posted by Zylaxx

Originally posted by Thomas2006

Why does it seem like anytime Rocket says anything he makes it feel / sound like he is holier then thou. Like he is the super star developer that can do no wrong?

Truth is that if his publisher says jump he is going to jump just like any other developer with a publisher. No matter how much he makes it sound like he isnt going to release crap, ect ect. He will do whatever the publisher tells him too.

Hate to state the obvious but its because of the mentality of the PK'er slash ganker mindset.  As much as I like the model for DayZ, it's inhabitants leave alot to be desired and as such there is nothing this side of the sun that could ever make a PvP game work.

 

I couldnt care less what the context of Dean's comments were related too but its not good PR and its very detrimental to the game as a whole to have your developer go off on something like that.  However it isnt the first time, he routinely goes off on random forum posters expressing "certain" concerns that mod had.

 

I wish DayZ all the best but they wont get my gameing dollars because of this douchebaggery attitude.  Hey Rocket, heres a tip if your making a game for ONLY you, then you have all the rights to do as you please, but any time you bring consumers into the fold, your #1 priority should be the consumers, because they pay your effing bills.

The state of DayZ and its inhabitants?

You and everyone else seem to think that the game is filled with people farming fresh player spawns and running in gank squads all over the place.

The biggest problem just now in the game are hackers but thats because the mod is basically unsupported now while they make it in to an actual game. 

DayZ became a success because of the gameplay it offered, if that scares you or you are offended by it don't play it. 

There is NO way they should even consider adding PvE servers or anything else just because some players demand it. He is making this game the same way he envisioned the mod when he made that, people seem to like it just not you.

Hey I have an idea, can we get Arena Net to make a full loot open pvp server on GW2, that would be fantastic, you know lots of players want it so why should they restrict the game to only PvE, they are so far up there own butt they can't see what real players want!

Yeah that paragraph above is horse shit.

More proof of what that style of gaming brings.

People that enjoy a style of game that you don't?

What a horror!

"Real" players apparently...

Is the air thin up on that high horse Slick? Maybe you should come down before you get light headed.

Real players? I never suggested that people that like permadeath games are real gamers, you started that one all on your own.

I play WoW, GW2, DayZ and have played just about every other MMO around. I don't solely enjoy PvP permadeath games and I don't pretend that my opinion is somehow better than anyone else.

Originally posted by kaiser3282

Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

*snip*

I disagree. He said exactly what he meant. There is simply no alternative way to interpret "Businessmen don't care for your tears after you have paid them money. And nor to do I.", it is a very literal statement. It is not out of context, and has not been edited for effect. It simply is what it is.

Whether he said it out of frustration, or genuinely feels that way is irrelavant. He just told anyone and everyone who might have considered his game that once he has your money, he doesn't care.

That is how you kill a business, not grow one.

Youre taking it out of context and completely leaving out the entire next sentence which I quoted. He was saying basically "I dont care for your tears. Im here to make good games" Not "I only care about getting your money, just like businessmen"

The entire thing can be summed as saying "I am a developer. My job is to make games. Not be a businessman, or politician, or argue with people / worry about people crying". Like I said earlier I think some of it has to do with the whole decision apparently by the Exec. Prod. to create PvE only servers, amongst other things, and catering to the crybabies who think the PvP and the game in general is "too hard".

You are both wrong.  What he is saying is "You idiots gave your money to business men, and now want to complain.  They don't care because they have your money. Don't complain to me about it either.  You shouldn't have given your money to them before you knew enough about the game.  I am not going to change it because you are not getting what you thought when you gave your money prematurely."

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Originally posted by FrodoFragins
Games are seldom made in a vacuum.  If "x' number of players want to play with permadeath and gank filled servers but '10x' want PvE servers, the publisher needs to listen.  And the developer needs to be open to implemented stuff they may not personally be a fan of.  This guy just can't take the heat and/or has a ginormous ego.

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And I suppose every author should write twilight novels because that's what "most people" want.