And now everyone will start saying "Oh, its obvious that Sandbox was always the way to go".

Yeah, even those who said nobody wanted sandbox style games.

"You old school gamers are a thing of the past."

"Sandbox games are dead"

"Sandbox games didnt worked"

Look at all the games that have been succesfully and popular later on. All of them had sandbox elements.

And the games announced without sandbox elements have been stoned just after releasing the first art style drawings.

"Oh, you guys are a vocal minority."

Now, everyone will come out boasting they knew what people wanted all along!

Took how many years for the developers and community to catch up?

These games released in the last 5-10 years were not even MMORPGs in the first place!  They just hijacked the labeling to monetize their online games, the essence was never there.

Originally posted by Interesting

And now everyone will start saying "Oh, its obvious that Sandbox was always the way to go".

Yeah, even those who said nobody wanted sandbox style games.

"You old school gamers are a thing of the past."

"Sandbox games are dead"

"Sandbox games didnt worked"

Look at all the games that have been succesfully and popular later on. All of them had sandbox elements.

And the games announced without sandbox elements have been stoned just after releasing the first art style drawings.

"Oh, you guys are a vocal minority."

Now, everyone will come out boasting they knew what people wanted all along!

Took how many years for the developers and community to catch up?

These games released in the last 5-10 years were not even MMORPGs in the first place!  They just hijacked the labeling to monetize their online games, the essence was never there.

This isn't going to end well.

Originally posted by Latronus

Originally posted by Interesting

And now everyone will start saying "Oh, its obvious that Sandbox was always the way to go".

Yeah, even those who said nobody wanted sandbox style games.

"You old school gamers are a thing of the past."

"Sandbox games are dead"

"Sandbox games didnt worked"

Look at all the games that have been succesfully and popular later on. All of them had sandbox elements.

And the games announced without sandbox elements have been stoned just after releasing the first art style drawings.

"Oh, you guys are a vocal minority."

Now, everyone will come out boasting they knew what people wanted all along!

Took how many years for the developers and community to catch up?

These games released in the last 5-10 years were not even MMORPGs in the first place!  They just hijacked the labeling to monetize their online games, the essence was never there.

This isn't going to end well.

I agree lol its not going to end well just waiting on a troll to come by.

Here's a horrid thought.  What if sandbox MMOs become mainstream?

What will the developer / publishers do to maximize their profits as they modify the design for mass-appeal?

My guess, they'll destroy them.  Streamlined, ultra-easy and fast rewarding with little effort.  Is that the sandbox of the future?

As said before.

I've pretty much come to the conclusion that sand box fans will never be satisfied because they don't really know what they want.

2 million users on this page. 

actually, no matter what answer you get:

posting gamers ARE a fucking minority. thx for the talk

Originally posted by AzurePrower

As said before.

I've pretty much come to the conclusion that sand box fans will never be satisfied because they don't really know what they want.

and the themepark players know? look how many themepark games have failed so fast.

Perhaps we should all take a step back and see what Smeds vision is first before we hail the second comming of (inser deity here)

If not a decent bunch of people will be very disapointed.

Originally posted by MumboJumbo
Minecraft let the cat out of the bag and made developers realise -> interactive object world + player imagination >> graphix + dev static content.

This. There was a gap that hadn't been filled for a long time.

Originally posted by AzurePrower

As said before.

I've pretty much come to the conclusion that sand box fans will never be satisfied because they don't really know what they want.

Thats the beauty of sandboxes, they opens up for innovations and differensiations in game play. As a contrary to the worn out

formula most games follows today.

Until a triple A sandbox gets released. Then it's 'Why didnt this game have more rails'.

You cant win. Between a full sandbox and a full themepark  lies every MMO enthusiasts preferences.

Originally posted by XAPGames

 Streamlined, ultra-easy and fast rewarding with little effort.  Is that the sandbox of the future?

That's the themepark of the past.

Who really cares?

If there should ever be a day when sandboxes become mainstream (which I highly doubt), I just hope the people not into them still have plenty of choice in terms of mmo games which they can enjoy and which suit their playstyle.

Again ill keep saying it "a sandbox style game" does not mean EQNext will be a total sandbox game, it will be an hybrid. ArcheAge will be it's main competition and that is an Hybrid MMO. But ill agree with the OP, the themepark lovers though we were beaten.

Hybrid is the way forward not the glorified co-op crap we have been getting, the latest being GW2.

Originally posted by Interesting

And now everyone will start saying "Oh, its obvious that Sandbox was always the way to go".

Yeah, even those who said nobody wanted sandbox style games.

"You old school gamers are a thing of the past."

"Sandbox games are dead"

"Sandbox games didnt worked"

Look at all the games that have been succesfully and popular later on. All of them had sandbox elements.

And the games announced without sandbox elements have been stoned just after releasing the first art style drawings.

"Oh, you guys are a vocal minority."

Now, everyone will come out boasting they knew what people wanted all along!

Took how many years for the developers and community to catch up?

These games released in the last 5-10 years were not even MMORPGs in the first place!  They just hijacked the labeling to monetize their online games, the essence was never there.

You are jumping the gun there bud. Let us have one main stream successful sandbox first and then lets walk the talk.

Till now you dont have two legs to stand upon. Sandbox have been releasing for many years now but failed to put a dent on MMO scene.

Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by RefMinor
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I hope they will too, then you will realise that you dont hold the majority share of the market and have no say whatsoever in the future of MMOs.

So because themepark players are the majority, sandbox players shouldn't have any games to play?

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by RefMinor
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So because themepark players are the majority, sandbox players shouldn't have any games to play?

No ofcourse why not? i started MMOs with games like UO and played eve for 5 years. But i am not diluded like OP into thinking that sandbxes are future of MMOS.

Originally posted by halflife25

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by RefMinor
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So because themepark players are the majority, sandbox players shouldn't have any games to play?

No ofcourse why not? i started MMOs with games like UO and played eve for 5 years. But i am not diluded like OP into thinking that sandbxes are future of MMOS.

And yet the guy i replied to said sandbox players should " have no say whatsoever in the future of MMOs."

Edit *not sure why you replied directly to my post directed personally at evilastro.