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  rungard

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10/19/12 5:59:04 PM#21
Originally posted by Baseline

No.

The real answer is that Smedley plays EVE, and from his perspective, most copycat themeparks launch, sell a bunch of boxes, and then 'fail' (everyone quits in 1-2 months).

He looks at EVE and thinks if he could make another game like that, or like SWG, where you have 100-300K subs maintainable, that's better than a game that goes to complete fail mode like SWTOR or many of the others.

People like Smedley are simply giving up on their dream that they will make the next wow that will maintain millions of subs for years.

A sandbox will never be as widely popular as simplistic themeparks.

Thats a guess at best and a bad one.

  gobla

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C'est la vie.

10/19/12 6:07:56 PM#22
Originally posted by Quirhid
Originally posted by gobla

Can't say I trust Smedley to make a good game for it's own sake. But I definitely do trust him to look at EvE Online's subscriber base and say "Damn... I want me some of that pie."

That's... not a very big pie.

It's more than 400.000 subscribers.

It's definitely in the top 10 of MMOs and probably even in the top 5.

Beyond that EVE is about the only subscription-based MMO that's actually growing. Can't say that about many others.

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  dustyhayes

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10/19/12 6:53:34 PM#23
Give the man a break, it seems like Smedley is listening & learning and is trying to returning SOE back to its grass roots wanting to make a decent original MMO instead of wasting time copying & pasting "the next WoW killer" and on top of that its going to be a sandboxing extravaganza, we should be giving the guy some kudo's for going againist the grain and trying to deliver something fresh and next-gen
  Aelious

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World > Quest Progression

10/19/12 7:19:36 PM#24
Originally posted by cyandk

Smedley just announced that Everquest Next will be sandbox.

It will be the largest sandbox style MMO ever designed. The same exciting content delivered in a new way. Something you’ve never seen before. The MMO world has never seen before. We didn’t want more Kill 10 Rats quests. We didn’t want more of the same. If you look at the MMOs out there, they’re delivering the same content over and over again. So are we. We need to change that. When we released EverQuest, we changed the world. We want to do that again with a different type of game.

 

Is he trying really hard to bankrupt SOE or whats going on in this head of his? Did he ever make anything decent? Any sane disission? Also, isnt he kinda late?

 

gaaaaaah im so mad right now and its just a game...

 

You mean doing the same thing that has sunk a few titles this year was the sane thing to do?

  Elikal

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10/19/12 7:27:04 PM#25
Smed is in the industry a VERY long time, given how fast people come and go in the MMO business. And many others who were thus attacked left the buisness, see the Bioware-Docs. So I must assume Smed really loves what he is doing, making MMOs, and he tries to make MMOs he likes to play, since as far as we know he is one of those guys who play their own MMOs. Unlike, again, many of the Bioware dudes, who actually never played MMOs. And of course making money. ;)

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  User Deleted
10/19/12 7:44:23 PM#26

John Smedley's intentions are to crush his enemies, see them driven before him, and to hear the lamentation of their women.

  strangiato2112

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10/19/12 7:46:04 PM#27
Originally posted by gobla
Originally posted by Quirhid
Originally posted by gobla

Can't say I trust Smedley to make a good game for it's own sake. But I definitely do trust him to look at EvE Online's subscriber base and say "Damn... I want me some of that pie."

That's... not a very big pie.

It's more than 400.000 subscribers.

It's definitely in the top 10 of MMOs and probably even in the top 5.

Beyond that EVE is about the only subscription-based MMO that's actually growing. Can't say that about many others.

In the NA-EU market, EvE is probably #2 in subs.  SWTOR might still be above it, but its close.  

In fact,only 3 games in the history of MMORPGs have been able to sustain 400K subs in the NA/EU market.  WoW, EQ and EvE

  Tamanous

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10/19/12 7:46:05 PM#28

Ahhh ... so that is the guy who wants Wow clones and nothing else on the market.

 

Glad to meet you cyandk! You truly are an enigma!

You stay sassy!

  GrayGhost79

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10/19/12 7:51:21 PM#29

Something note worthy is that they never said it was going to be a sandbox, it was specifically stated that it was going to be a sandbox-style game. 

 

With the wording I don't expect to see a UO or SWG style game. It is likely going to be more along the lines of GW2. I forsee a themepark game that will incorperate some sandbox elements but not a great deal. Until we can get more info the only thing I expect at this point in time is a themepark that abandons quest hubs and the traditional questing system. 

 

In the end though, none of us have enough information so it's a wait and see kind of thing right now. 

  dustyhayes

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10/19/12 7:52:57 PM#30
Originally posted by Foomerang

John Smedley's intentions are to crush his enemies, see them driven before him, and to hear the lamentation of their women.

Bioware thought it was "The open steppe, fleet horse, falcons at your wrist, and the wind in your hair."

  User Deleted
10/19/12 7:55:23 PM#31


Originally posted by dustyhayes

Originally posted by Foomerang John Smedley's intentions are to crush his enemies, see them driven before him, and to hear the lamentation of their women.
Bioware thought it was "The open steppe, fleet horse, falcons at your wrist, and the wind in your hair."


Haha indeed!

  fadis

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10/19/12 7:59:07 PM#32

I think he's articulating a vision at SOE that gaming is moving beyond themeparks... or even themeparks with few new shinies each expansion.

 

There seems to be a trend toward players wanting developers (and developers thinking they can now deliver) getting back to creating virtual worlds for us to play in.

 

If it doesn't work, it doesn't work - but I certainly won't fault SOE for trying.

  senadin

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10/19/12 8:05:41 PM#33


Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Something note worthy is that they never said it was going to be a sandbox, it was specifically stated that it was going to be a sandbox-style game. 

 

With the wording I don't expect to see a UO or SWG style game. It is likely going to be more along the lines of GW2. I forsee a themepark game that will incorperate some sandbox elements but not a great deal. Until we can get more info the only thing I expect at this point in time is a themepark that abandons quest hubs and the traditional questing system. 

 

In the end though, none of us have enough information so it's a wait and see kind of thing right now. 



Uhh NO, what part of the following statement does not sound like they are making a sandbox?!?!?! Sounds pretty obvious to me that it is indeed a sandbox game they are making by reading the comments!


"EverQuest Next has been redone from scratch so that it's not EverQuest III. Smedley promises it's going to be the "world's largest sandbox-style MMO ever made." It'll be playable at the next Fan Faire."

Sandbox style, not themepark, not sandpark! reading comprehension anyone?

And why is he doing the game? Well DUH to make money and to make a game they are proud of! I cant believe how many butt hurt forum dwellers there are here!

  VengeSunsoar

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10/19/12 8:07:23 PM#34
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by gobla
Originally posted by Quirhid
Originally posted by gobla

Can't say I trust Smedley to make a good game for it's own sake. But I definitely do trust him to look at EvE Online's subscriber base and say "Damn... I want me some of that pie."

That's... not a very big pie.

It's more than 400.000 subscribers.

It's definitely in the top 10 of MMOs and probably even in the top 5.

Beyond that EVE is about the only subscription-based MMO that's actually growing. Can't say that about many others.

In the NA-EU market, EvE is probably #2 in subs.  SWTOR might still be above it, but its close.  

In fact,only 3 games in the history of MMORPGs have been able to sustain 400K subs in the NA/EU market.  WoW, EQ and EvE

 Except doesn't have that many players in just in NA/EU, eve is played on the world market.

http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1458477

It is still one of the highest in the west though.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  strangiato2112

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10/19/12 8:16:12 PM#35
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by gobla
Originally posted by Quirhid
Originally posted by gobla

Can't say I trust Smedley to make a good game for it's own sake. But I definitely do trust him to look at EvE Online's subscriber base and say "Damn... I want me some of that pie."

That's... not a very big pie.

It's more than 400.000 subscribers.

It's definitely in the top 10 of MMOs and probably even in the top 5.

Beyond that EVE is about the only subscription-based MMO that's actually growing. Can't say that about many others.

In the NA-EU market, EvE is probably #2 in subs.  SWTOR might still be above it, but its close.  

In fact,only 3 games in the history of MMORPGs have been able to sustain 400K subs in the NA/EU market.  WoW, EQ and EvE

 Except doesn't have that many players in just in NA/EU, eve is played on the world market.

http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1458477

It is still one of the highest in the west though.

Looks like its almost all NA/EU.  Australia, while geographically far away, is typically part of the NA/EU region for MMORPG terms. Not positive about Russia though.  And then there is 10% other, which probably has a bunch of NA/EU in it anyway.  So at worst, 85% NA/EU.  Which still puts out it #2 or 3 current and #3 all time (sustained)

  User Deleted
10/19/12 8:21:35 PM#36

Actual amount of eve players is about a third of its subscription numbers. Multiple accounts are common so are bots.

  Theocritus

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10/19/12 9:15:50 PM#37
       THey've tried the themepark route a few times maybe he feels there's a higher ceiling with a sandbox?
  Icewhite

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10/19/12 9:30:53 PM#38

What is John Smedley intentions?

Presumably, to stash away more cash for retirement?

Silly question, really.  Just assign him whatever intentions you'd like him to have, in the traditional straw man manner.

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  tank017

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10/19/12 9:37:54 PM#39

I think its a smart move..

 

he's now paying attention to a starving part of the MMO market.

  madazz

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10/19/12 10:04:03 PM#40
Well, if hes trying even harder to get our cash, then all the more power to him. That means he is going to make something that I really want to play.
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