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  Pantheos

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10/19/12 7:09:42 PM#21

Eh there's nothing wrong with the numbers so much as numbers are entirely relative to each other. Since encounter powers will have a cooldown of a matter of seconds, and daily's a matter of minutes (tops I imagine) I am not surprised that the hp and damage would be inflated.

 

There are ranger builds that hit in upwards of 900 damage a round in 4th edition, 600 damage isn't even that hard to theorycraft, and this is in the table top.

 

Given that it's A) Not turn based, B) MMO gamers love big numbers, and C) All relative then the numbers themselves don't really matter. 

 

For example: Say a level 6 ranger hits for 2d10+5 or so with an at will, averaging for 17 damage against a monster that has 100 health. If that same ranger hits for 1700 but the monster has 10,000 health, then nothings really changed except seeing bug numbers fly across the screen.

 

It's all relative.

  OG_Zorvan

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10/19/12 7:09:48 PM#22
Originally posted by Isane

It is nothing new just , another Neverwinter. With the customary D.I.Y.

 

The bonus is that all the Neverwinter releases have been great fun.

That "bonus" is directly attributable to the fact the original Neverwinter games didn't have Perfect World/Cryptic creating them.

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  Eazydzzz

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10/19/12 7:16:49 PM#23
This looks awesome!
  swedago

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10/20/12 12:16:23 AM#24
Looking forward to it =)
  Yuui

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10/20/12 1:50:53 AM#25
Originally posted by TheMaelstrom

I'm a long-time PnP DnD player and DM, and I'm interested in what they're doing, but....

 

I can't tell you how much it concerns me to see characters hitting for over 1,000 dmg in that video. I mean really... c'mon... that is NOT DnD.

They just inflated the numbers by simple multiplication to make it:

  1. more impressive
  2. more accurate in terms of calculations(since your pc does not roll a dice and instead indulges into math calculations)
Its the same as them having more levels per tier - the difference seems to be there, but the difference is not there.
 
Doing 12 damage to a monster who has 40 hitpoints is no different than doing 1200 damage to a monster who has 4000 hitpoints. 

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  IAmMMO

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10/20/12 3:30:54 AM#26

Cryptic today is a sub par development studio. Why people think they can pull off NWN  is mind boggling. The same old  tired  game engine being used! Cryptic haven't brought their inhouse engine up to date in a long time, and  now that dodgy nickle and dime  the gamer asian company now owning them their standards will slip even more.

 
  saxifr

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10/20/12 7:05:20 AM#27
I will never give Cryptic another dime after STO. Do some research on the dis-satisfaction current and former players have had with STO if you are curious about buying this game but not sure what you have to look forward to.

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  Talonsin

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10/20/12 8:26:02 AM#28
How is this foundry going to be any different from the one in CoH or STO?  Sure there will be some improvements but once again, I feel Cryptic is creating hype about it that they can not back up.  I think many of you will be disappointed with the tools Cryptic provides. 
  Elikal

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10/20/12 8:39:29 AM#29
Interesting, the visuals look much better now. Well well.

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  Darth-Batman

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10/20/12 11:18:24 AM#30
It looks like it might be good, but then again Cryptic seems to have a huge problem delivering any depth and/or creativity in their games and usually deliver a shallow experience that they then call a casual mmog. We'll see.
  Ozmodan

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10/20/12 11:25:02 AM#31
Let me put all your feet back on the ground.  This is PW we are talking about.  Getting excited about any game they make is ludicrous.  They will make the item shop mandatory and very expensive.  It is that way in every game.  You will greatly regret that this game is f2p because it will cost you far more than a regular sub to play this game.
  Nemesis7884

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10/20/12 11:31:44 AM#32
Originally posted by Fdisk

I want to be excited about this game, and the foundry is definitely something to be excited about! My only issue is the action combat, that's NOT D&D.  I have a huge problem reading all these articles about how they are trying to capture D&D with this game, yet to me D&D is turn-based combat!

We'll see, I'll definitely give it a shot; I hope I get into that Beta soon.

everything outside of action combat is DEAD for new mmo's - no one wants tab targeting and excel fighting anymore...this is not a pen and paper game its a computer game so god damn use its possibilities!

traditional mmo combat is freakin boring

  Eazydzzz

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10/20/12 11:32:09 AM#33
Originally posted by saxifr
I will never give Cryptic another dime after STO. Do some research on the dis-satisfaction current and former players have had with STO if you are curious about buying this game but not sure what you have to look forward to.

It's free to play.

  Nemesis7884

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10/20/12 11:33:08 AM#34
Originally posted by Ozmodan
Let me put all your feet back on the ground.  This is PW we are talking about.  Getting excited about any game they make is ludicrous.  They will make the item shop mandatory and very expensive.  It is that way in every game.  You will greatly regret that this game is f2p because it will cost you far more than a regular sub to play this game.

well they said several times the item shop will be cosmetics and convenience only...they mentionned this A LOT of times - to these kind of questions (see official forum)...so i doubt they would expose themselfes like this on their official site and then just shit in everyones face

  Aerowyn

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10/20/12 11:34:23 AM#35
Originally posted by Nemesis7884
Originally posted by Fdisk

I want to be excited about this game, and the foundry is definitely something to be excited about! My only issue is the action combat, that's NOT D&D.  I have a huge problem reading all these articles about how they are trying to capture D&D with this game, yet to me D&D is turn-based combat!

We'll see, I'll definitely give it a shot; I hope I get into that Beta soon.

everything outside of action combat is DEAD for new mmo's - no one wants tab targeting and excel fighting anymore...this is not a pen and paper game its a computer game so god damn use its possibilities!

traditional mmo combat is freakin boring

not for everyone obviously.. i like the action combat style but can see the appeal of the traditional way..  I just got xcom which is completely turn based game and having a blast with it.

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  Nemesis7884

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10/20/12 11:37:49 AM#36
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Nemesis7884
Originally posted by Fdisk

I want to be excited about this game, and the foundry is definitely something to be excited about! My only issue is the action combat, that's NOT D&D.  I have a huge problem reading all these articles about how they are trying to capture D&D with this game, yet to me D&D is turn-based combat!

We'll see, I'll definitely give it a shot; I hope I get into that Beta soon.

everything outside of action combat is DEAD for new mmo's - no one wants tab targeting and excel fighting anymore...this is not a pen and paper game its a computer game so god damn use its possibilities!

traditional mmo combat is freakin boring

not for everyone obviously.. i like the action combat style but can see the appeal of the traditional way..  I just got xcom which is completely turn based game and having a blast with it.

 

the thing is - there are HUNDREDS of mmo's with that kind of combat - play one of those...besides, mmo have the worst kind of combat since it is NO tactical combat, its just repetitive boring crapp

tactical turn based combat is absolutely fine but i think its very hard to pull off in an mmo and get good results...i also think it works better for strategy games where you are able to use several characters...

  Ozmodan

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10/20/12 11:38:43 AM#37
Originally posted by Nemesis7884
Originally posted by Ozmodan
Let me put all your feet back on the ground.  This is PW we are talking about.  Getting excited about any game they make is ludicrous.  They will make the item shop mandatory and very expensive.  It is that way in every game.  You will greatly regret that this game is f2p because it will cost you far more than a regular sub to play this game.

well they said several times the item shop will be cosmetics and convenience only...they mentionned this A LOT of times - to these kind of questions (see official forum)...so i doubt they would expose themselfes like this on their official site and then just shit in everyones face

If you believe that then you are naive.  All PW cash shops are mandatory and expensive, all.

  Aerowyn

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10/20/12 11:43:27 AM#38
Originally posted by Nemesis7884
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Nemesis7884
Originally posted by Fdisk

I want to be excited about this game, and the foundry is definitely something to be excited about! My only issue is the action combat, that's NOT D&D.  I have a huge problem reading all these articles about how they are trying to capture D&D with this game, yet to me D&D is turn-based combat!

We'll see, I'll definitely give it a shot; I hope I get into that Beta soon.

everything outside of action combat is DEAD for new mmo's - no one wants tab targeting and excel fighting anymore...this is not a pen and paper game its a computer game so god damn use its possibilities!

traditional mmo combat is freakin boring

not for everyone obviously.. i like the action combat style but can see the appeal of the traditional way..  I just got xcom which is completely turn based game and having a blast with it.

 

the thing is - there are HUNDREDS of mmo's with that kind of combat - play one of those...besides, mmo have the worst kind of combat since it is NO tactical combat, its just repetitive boring crapp

tactical turn based combat is absolutely fine but i think its very hard to pull off in an mmo and get good results...i also think it works better for strategy games where you are able to use several characters...

all based on design and doesn't need to be like that.. but it is true for the most part.. have you tried atlantica online? has a nice turn based strategic combat system and is a MMO.. only issues is many of it's other game features are greatly lacking.

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  Nemesis7884

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10/20/12 11:44:17 AM#39

hmmm dunno, i mean they also now their game will crash and burn if players think they will get ripped off no? are these kind of ripp off games profitable? looking at sto and the such...

do devs not care about the reputation they get? there are a lot of mmo devs that have acquired such a bad rep that all their future games will probably fail and they can only dispand (looking at funcom)

  Nemesis7884

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10/20/12 11:45:40 AM#40
Originally posted by Aerowyn

all based on design and doesn't need to be like that.. but it is true for the most part.. have you tried atlantica online? has a nice turn based strategic combat system and is a MMO.. only issues is many of it's other game features are greatly lacking.

know that one, but it is rather a strategy game as far as i understand...

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