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  rungard

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Joined: 7/25/03
Posts: 1037

The Sandbox Foundation does not exist!

10/19/12 2:44:46 PM#221
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by rungard
Originally posted by Velocinox
Originally posted by rungard

I knew it. This announcement deserves the creation of a dedicated forum. All SWG/sandbox players rejoice.

Hopefully a AAA home is on the way.

Rejoicement over a noncommital ambiguous marketing statement?

Don't blame the industry for hype, just look in the mirror.

 lol wheres the hype. The game definitely exists, and it is a sorely needed AAA sandbox.

why wouldnt swg/sandbox players be happy about it?

 The hype is coming from you.  "Rejoice"

Why wouldn't they be happy about it?  The game definately exists?

A game exists in some state right now.  There is no one here that can state what level of playability it is, or what kind of game it is.

Smedley has been caught in lies before.  Soe' record is not very pretty.

There are a lot of reasons to doubt whether this game will be a sandbox, and whether it will be any good.

I would say thats enough reason to doubt, or at least get off the hype train that you are promoting.

At best all we should be saying is, "Thats interesting, lets wait for more information and feedback from people other than Soe."

 He never lied to me and i played the game for 2 years. How you got a hype train from one word....are you a politician? Players like me have been waiting for this for a very long time.

  Amaranthar

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Joined: 1/18/06
Posts: 2171

10/19/12 3:05:23 PM#222
Originally posted by fenistil
Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by Velocinox
Rejoicement over a noncommital ambiguous marketing statement?
Don't blame the industry for hype, just look in the mirror.

Chuckle.

+1

I come to these boards anymore just for entertainment of this sort.

This is a lot like spiking the punch bowl at an alcoholics anonymous meeting with vodka, then sitting back and watching. Of course, that would be a tad bit more evul, although not entirely a different thing at all.

Once upon a time....

  rungard

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Joined: 7/25/03
Posts: 1037

The Sandbox Foundation does not exist!

10/19/12 3:12:37 PM#223

clearly, hope has forsaken many of these lands.

I think a "Lighten up!" is in order.

  VengeSunsoar

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Joined: 3/10/04
Posts: 4824

Be Brief, Be Bright... Be Gone.

10/19/12 3:31:11 PM#224
Originally posted by rungard
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by rungard
Originally posted by Velocinox
Originally posted by rungard

I knew it. This announcement deserves the creation of a dedicated forum. All SWG/sandbox players rejoice.

Hopefully a AAA home is on the way.

Rejoicement over a noncommital ambiguous marketing statement?

Don't blame the industry for hype, just look in the mirror.

 lol wheres the hype. The game definitely exists, and it is a sorely needed AAA sandbox.

why wouldnt swg/sandbox players be happy about it?

 The hype is coming from you.  "Rejoice"

Why wouldn't they be happy about it?  The game definately exists?

A game exists in some state right now.  There is no one here that can state what level of playability it is, or what kind of game it is.

Smedley has been caught in lies before.  Soe' record is not very pretty.

There are a lot of reasons to doubt whether this game will be a sandbox, and whether it will be any good.

I would say thats enough reason to doubt, or at least get off the hype train that you are promoting.

At best all we should be saying is, "Thats interesting, lets wait for more information and feedback from people other than Soe."

 He never lied to me and i played the game for 2 years. How you got a hype train from one word....are you a politician? Players like me have been waiting for this for a very long time.

 Which game was that. 

He stated EQ2 would not have a CS, then there was a CS on on server.  He stated that it would only be on that server, than it was all servers.  There were lies about SWG.

Just because he didn't lie to you doesn't mean he didn't lie.  He has, it's documented.

You stated all sandbox fans should rejoice.  That is an expression of great joy, of delight,, this isn't opinion thats the definition of the word.  You posted this on a forum, thats promotion, the words you used are extavagant, you are trying to stimulate excitement, again the word is rejoice.  This the very definition of the word hype.  You are hyping the game.  Again it's documented.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  Nethermancer

Novice Member

Joined: 3/17/10
Posts: 530

"I tell you, we are here on Earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you different"

10/19/12 4:18:44 PM#225
Originally posted by phantomghost
Originally posted by Nethermancer

This is Smedley talking......

So I will chalk this one up to "we will wait and see"

I have played MMO's for over a decade now and 1 thing has stayed constant ....SOE ALWAYS lets me down. 

 

Matrix online? let down

SWG? let down

EQ? let down

EQ2? let down

Vangaurd? huge let down

DCOU? let down

Seems you have ridiculous expectations because EQ and SWG are and were amongst the best MMO's ever made.  It is a shame a game as terrible as SWTOR forced them to shut SWG down.

Being let down doesnt mean i didnt like the games (i loved both EQ and SWG). The point is SOE ruined EQ and ruined SWG in the end. Wasnt clear in my post sorry. The point is SOE ruins everything by the end.

Let me make it more clear

 

Matric online - terrible game

SWG - we all know it was ruined

EQ - WoW'd it up

EQ2 - bad game

Vangaurd - should have let it die instead of rot.

DCOU - boring shallow garbage

On top of all these let downs ther F2P model is TERRIBLE.

Playing: PO, EVE
Waiting for: WoD
Favourite MMOs: VG, EVE, FE and DDO
Any person who expresses rage and loathing for an MMO is preposterous. He or she is like a person who has put on full armor and attacked a hot fudge sundae.

  ZoeMcCloskey

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Joined: 7/14/05
Posts: 1126

INTJ, fun is fun except when it's not

10/19/12 4:21:51 PM#226
I will keep a healthy level of dubious, but also a healthy level of hope.  Oh how I want a really good sandbox.

  VengeSunsoar

Elite Member

Joined: 3/10/04
Posts: 4824

Be Brief, Be Bright... Be Gone.

10/19/12 4:23:55 PM#227
Originally posted by ZoeMcCloskey
I will keep a healthy level of dubious, but also a healthy level of hope.  Oh how I want a really good sandbox.

Thats a good idea.  Old scouts motto, "Hope for the best, prepare for the worst."  It works for most things :)

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  rungard

Novice Member

Joined: 7/25/03
Posts: 1037

The Sandbox Foundation does not exist!

10/19/12 4:50:07 PM#228
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by rungard
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by rungard
Originally posted by Velocinox
Originally posted by rungard

I knew it. This announcement deserves the creation of a dedicated forum. All SWG/sandbox players rejoice.

Hopefully a AAA home is on the way.

Rejoicement over a noncommital ambiguous marketing statement?

Don't blame the industry for hype, just look in the mirror.

 lol wheres the hype. The game definitely exists, and it is a sorely needed AAA sandbox.

why wouldnt swg/sandbox players be happy about it?

 The hype is coming from you.  "Rejoice"

Why wouldn't they be happy about it?  The game definately exists?

A game exists in some state right now.  There is no one here that can state what level of playability it is, or what kind of game it is.

Smedley has been caught in lies before.  Soe' record is not very pretty.

There are a lot of reasons to doubt whether this game will be a sandbox, and whether it will be any good.

I would say thats enough reason to doubt, or at least get off the hype train that you are promoting.

At best all we should be saying is, "Thats interesting, lets wait for more information and feedback from people other than Soe."

 He never lied to me and i played the game for 2 years. How you got a hype train from one word....are you a politician? Players like me have been waiting for this for a very long time.

 Which game was that. 

He stated EQ2 would not have a CS, then there was a CS on on server.  He stated that it would only be on that server, than it was all servers.  There were lies about SWG.

Just because he didn't lie to you doesn't mean he didn't lie.  He has, it's documented.

You stated all sandbox fans should rejoice.  That is an expression of great joy, of delight,, this isn't opinion thats the definition of the word.  You posted this on a forum, thats promotion, the words you used are extavagant, you are trying to stimulate excitement, again the word is rejoice.  This the very definition of the word hype.  You are hyping the game.  Again it's documented.

 i wasnt before, but i am now. See my picture.

  darkhalf357x

Hard Core Member

Joined: 1/25/12
Posts: 1108

I'm only playing the role chosen for me. Who you supposed to be?

10/19/12 5:05:03 PM#229

Cautiously optimistic. Way too early to judge and or tell but interested none-the-less.

Agree ArcheAge could potentially be competition (depending how it plays -- but I liked what I have seen so far).  If SOE can capture the exploration and open-ended feeling of EQ with updated systems they could have a winner.

I am concerned though that they may cater some characteristics to the new style of gamers (thus not remaining true to their roots), which is my opinion has been missing from the genre from the start.

Time will tell.

  darkhalf357x

Hard Core Member

Joined: 1/25/12
Posts: 1108

I'm only playing the role chosen for me. Who you supposed to be?

10/19/12 5:08:07 PM#230
Originally posted by Nethermancer
Originally posted by phantomghost
Originally posted by Nethermancer

This is Smedley talking......

So I will chalk this one up to "we will wait and see"

I have played MMO's for over a decade now and 1 thing has stayed constant ....SOE ALWAYS lets me down. 

 

Matrix online? let down

SWG? let down

EQ? let down

EQ2? let down

Vangaurd? huge let down

DCOU? let down

Seems you have ridiculous expectations because EQ and SWG are and were amongst the best MMO's ever made.  It is a shame a game as terrible as SWTOR forced them to shut SWG down.

Being let down doesnt mean i didnt like the games (i loved both EQ and SWG). The point is SOE ruined EQ and ruined SWG in the end. Wasnt clear in my post sorry. The point is SOE ruins everything by the end.

Let me make it more clear

 

Matric online - terrible game

SWG - we all know it was ruined

EQ - WoW'd it up

EQ2 - bad game

Vangaurd - should have let it die instead of rot.

DCOU - boring shallow garbage

On top of all these let downs ther F2P model is TERRIBLE.

Not sure exactly what you are looking for...  But I still play and love EQ.  There are WoW mechanics but you dont have to use them.  I see them as there to help new users get accustomed to the gameplay complexity.  As an option I dont see how that hurts what makes EQ fun in the first place.  But thats just me ;-)

  Siveria

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Joined: 3/11/11
Posts: 1162

10/19/12 5:17:26 PM#231

Dude its SoE.. how many games have they fubared now? I can't even count them anymore. I'd honestly not expect this to be any good, and if its open world pvp (insted of pvp restricted to one zone with goals ala dark age of camelot) it'll have hardly any players. I am not a fan of open world pvp games not because I dislike pvp, but more because of the worthless jackasses that sit around newbie towns ganking new players that have 0 chance to defend themselves, pretty much every open world pvp mmo is full of theese greifers and thats about all there is. Its even worse if they allow any kind of looting of a pvp kills stuff, because that gives these griefers even more of a reason to do it. If they are smart and they want the game to be successful, they will keep all the pvp to one zone, have it be faction vs faction, and have some land control aspect to it or some goal for the pvp. Like realm skill points in daoc. There are evil and good races so there are your factions right there. Just gotta make sure both sides have pretty races, and like in Eq2, allow people to change sides if they want so you could have a normally evil race that switches side to good. Usually the evil side gets stuck with all the ones that hit every branch of the ugly tree, while the good side, gets all the nice looking races, this alone causes population imbalances more than you think it would. People want a nice looking char, not to be some mutated shitty looking orc or something. DAoC was unique in this aspect that each race, had some decent looking races, some race that looks like a mutant, and a short race. Honestly if the people who made daoc made a new mmo, and they weren't being pressured by EA to rush it, it would probally be the best mmo on the market, because still today, no mmo's pvp is as good as daoc's was/is.

If EQ Next has the fae, and their evil version (that the name of them escapes me atm) I'll deff play one of those, it was fun in Eq being a fairy that was smaller than peoples knee's XD. Especally in pvp, I snuck up on so many people because of my small size, it helps when/if there is a pvp zone where the grass is taller than you XD.

Being a pessimist is a win-win pattern of thinking. If you're a pessimist (I'll admit that I am!) you're either:

A. Proven right (if something bad happens)

or

B. Pleasantly surprised (if something good happens)

Either way, you can't lose! Try it out sometime!

  ShakyMo

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Joined: 11/21/11
Posts: 7246

10/19/12 5:19:51 PM#232
How can it be bigger than eve world size wise?
  Zadawn

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Posts: 673

10/19/12 5:21:13 PM#233
yeah yeah a sandbox with a cash shop,i don't think that anybody needs that.

  Pratt2112

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Posts: 1172

10/19/12 5:32:34 PM#234

Sounds wonderful.

But we've been here before, with SOE promising something huge and amazing "never seen before". 

Who remembers this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU3tuFGzbbw

They were doing things "unprecedented" and "unseen" in MMORPGs with EQ2 as well.

That is, until Blizzard released WoW on the on the world. Then, within a month, Smed and co. forgot all that "unprecedented" and "unseen" stuff and start playing "we have that too!", riding WoW's coat-tails. Everquest 2 ever since then has been the most schizophrenic MMORPG I've ever played. I've never seen a developer change their focus on a MMO as many times as I have with EQ2.

Smed says all this now. But as soon as something else comes along that looks like more $$$, he'll forget all of what he's saying now in a blink, happily leaving behind all those who came along for what was originally promised. He's done that before, too.

It wouldn't be the first time he's "given his word" and then gone back on it. In fact, if you go back over the past 6-7 years, he's made something of a career out of it.

So, while I love the sound of a huge sandbox-like MMO experience taking place in the EQ universe, and I'd love to believe that it's true -  I would give them my money right now if I could see into the future to find it's all what Smed is hinting at - I just can't believe anything Smedley says.

If Smed and co prove to have the integrity to keep their word and not change their focus the moment they see more $$$ potential in a different approach and without turning the game into a Cash Shop-centric nickel-and-dime fest, I will happily say "I was wrong", while pulling out my credit card to reserve my copy.

'course, we also have to wonder what Smed/SOE's definition of "sandbox" is.

Smed and SOE have a really poort reputation in the MMO genre, and with good reason. They have a tough uphill climb ahead of them if they intend to win back the trust and confidence of people who experienced "The Smed Treatment" in the past. There are many, spread across a number of games SOE has had its hands on.

"Devs need to stop trying to make MMOs for people who don't like MMOs" - thevampirelematt/Reddit

  Torvaldr

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10/19/12 5:37:08 PM#235
Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by Velocinox
Rejoicement over a noncommital ambiguous marketing statement?
Don't blame the industry for hype, just look in the mirror.

Chuckle.

I'm glad I'm not the only who has this though running through my mind when I read the newest hype.  If we refer back to the definition of insanity meme, then gamers truly are insane in the most predictable manner.

Curse you AquaScum!

  rungard

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Posts: 1037

The Sandbox Foundation does not exist!

10/19/12 5:39:05 PM#236
Originally posted by Waterlily
(mod edited)

 the fact that you can still play vanguard to this day tells me that much of the hype might actually be his "evil" status. What kind of evil bastard would bail out his former partners sinking ship? hmm. Im not saying there there werent problems and bad decisions  in the last 14 years, but im not buying the satan argument. Its a business, nothing more.

  RefMinor

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Posts: 3542

Hipster

10/19/12 5:43:06 PM#237
Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by DavisFlight
 NOpe.

No no no no no. No. Nope.

Man, even the fanboys never tried to claim that one.

Yes, I am afraid they did.

After yesterday's version of poison-the-well. I am now requiring direct quotes, or it didn't happen.  Pix or it didn't happen.  Whatever.  We'll await the citation of reference.

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/473/view/forums/post/4322370#4322370

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/473/view/forums/post/4322758#4322758

www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1193512-Why-hasnt-there-been-a-Sandbox-MMO-since-Ultima-Online?p=18373108&viewfull=1#

2 minutes on google gave me these, if I could be bothered I am sure i could find many more

  RefMinor

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Hipster

10/19/12 5:45:54 PM#238
Originally posted by Zadawn
yeah yeah a sandbox with a cash shop,i don't think that anybody needs that.

That's the major worry with a sandbox, I am uncomfortable enough with EvE's plex system for paying for others gametime in return for their  in game credits which seems to be the best of a bad job.

  Thorqemada

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Posts: 1205

10/19/12 5:52:15 PM#239


Originally posted by MindTrigger

Originally posted by Thorqemada Skyrim and GTA be giant games that imho do not compare with a mmo that grows over time but also generates income over time.
Do you be a pirate?

At Mardi Gras....

"Torquemada... do not implore him for compassion. Torquemada... do not beg him for forgiveness. Torquemada... do not ask him for mercy. Let's face it, you can't Torquemada anything!"

MWO Music Video - What does the Mech say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF6HYNqCDLI
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  kjempff

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Make worlds not stories

10/19/12 5:54:03 PM#240

I lost my faith in SOE and in particular Smedley years ago, just look how they messed up Everquest by one bad decision after another. Still Everquest (99-04) was for me the best game ever made without comparison, so you can't deny it is still possible SOE can make something happen. I want to see it before I beleive it, and that goes for all gaming devs but SOE in particular.

 

I hear Brad McQuaid is back with SOE, but supposedly? on the Vanguard project.. If he has/had a key role in EQNext I would have much more faith. There is a person with visionary ideas - "Father" (and killer lol) of Vanguard, and also played a major role in the original (the golden years) Everquest.. hail, Brad McQuaid.

 

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