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  DMKano

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10/19/12 9:34:38 AM#21

Why did recent MMOs move away from having a faction system in game?

EQ1 13 years ago had a full blown working faction system where races didn't get along and it made the world as well as lore a lot more immersive. If you played an Ogre you were killed on sight by many races and NPCs that hated them. Furthermore certain classes like Necromancers and Shadowknights worshipped evil/dark gods so they were hated even more.

I think GW2 would have benefitted greatly if it had a real faction system in game, but oh well - didn't happen.

maybe eqnext will bring it back.

 

  DMKano

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10/19/12 9:37:54 AM#22
Originally posted by MercurialG
I did an Asura and loved the storyline the whole way through.  I felt it was really engaging from the begining.  Also remember the choices that you make will dramatically alter your story and quests that are offered to you. Near the end of the storyline when you are in Orr can get pretty hard.  Just getting to the green floaty can be extremely hard to do solo.  Orr can be a very unforgiving set of zones.  There are no hearts and 90% of the waypoints are contested.  Most of the time you need to ride the event wave to get to where you need to go.

Not if you are a guardian :) just run through the risen and pop heals and shields as needed. Also with staff and shouts you have permanent  run boost.

  Volkon

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10/19/12 9:38:04 AM#23
Tron, I'm working a thief alt, but as an Asura. The Asura story lines are (imo) quite enjoyable. Besides, once you go Asura, the rest of the races seem so... intellectually lacking. Having fun with Sword/Dagger personally. Skill 3 on that combo is a blast.

Oderint, dum metuant.

  kaiser3282

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10/19/12 9:48:07 AM#24
Originally posted by DMKano

Why did recent MMOs move away from having a faction system in game?

EQ1 13 years ago had a full blown working faction system where races didn't get along and it made the world as well as lore a lot more immersive. If you played an Ogre you were killed on sight by many races and NPCs that hated them. Furthermore certain classes like Necromancers and Shadowknights worshipped evil/dark gods so they were hated even more.

I think GW2 would have benefitted greatly if it had a real faction system in game, but oh well - didn't happen.

maybe eqnext will bring it back.

 

The whole idea was to try something different. You know if they had done the same old faction system everyone would have been all like "OMG GW2 sucks so bad. They didnt do anything new. They even have the same faction system as everyone else" , etc

Both systems have their good and bad sides. Faction systems are flawed int hat youll always have that 1 faction that everyone prefers either for a class, or looks, or race, etc. It just results in unbalanced factions, causing them to have to do things like offer rewards & bonuses to people for switching to the weaker sides.

At the same time, a system like GW2 doesnt have to worry about that happening. However server populations are a concern, but only to an extent. With pop limits in place in WvW, overall server population isnt such a big deal. They just need to manage to fill in some of the off-peak times on the lower pop servers with enough people to keep it balanced throughout the day. If things go ideally, in the end every server will be at least close to max pop in WvW at most times, resulting in a lot of good fights between fairly equal numbers and really setting the good servers apart from the bad rather than it being  a matter of who has a bigger zerg. Perhaps once they turn off the free transfers things will start to even out a bit as new players fill in the lower pops and cant transfer to the dominant servers. They could at least disable free transfers to those servers and still keep free transfers to a lower pop server open.

  kaiser3282

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10/19/12 9:51:49 AM#25
Originally posted by Volkon
Tron, I'm working a thief alt, but as an Asura. The Asura story lines are (imo) quite enjoyable. Besides, once you go Asura, the rest of the races seem so... intellectually lacking. Having fun with Sword/Dagger personally. Skill 3 on that combo is a blast.

Yeah I found the Asura one of the better races to play. Even moreso due to their small size when doing stuff in close quarters like some of the jumping puzzles.

Sylvari seemed about the worst for me as far as storyline. And have you seen that freaking male Sylvari dance.... it was amusing as hell watching it for its ridiculous factor but man... just wow.

  User Deleted
10/19/12 10:08:03 AM#26
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Randayn
Originally posted by Aerowyn
so you broke your promise already.. meh people's words mean nothing nowadays..

I'm sorry....a bit tipsy...will keep my mouth shut :P

heh also like my edit says what you pick during CC completely changes you starter story so you could always re-create and try another starting story.. some are more interesting than others

Definitely, didn't like the story for my main, the engineer charr, but i like it far for my thief human and my husband's norn ranger is a drunk and his helper in the story keeps making references to their drunk party night LOL

Maybe since he shares the same interest he should play the Norn race perhaps?

  Volkon

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10/19/12 10:09:19 AM#27
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by Volkon
Tron, I'm working a thief alt, but as an Asura. The Asura story lines are (imo) quite enjoyable. Besides, once you go Asura, the rest of the races seem so... intellectually lacking. Having fun with Sword/Dagger personally. Skill 3 on that combo is a blast.

Yeah I found the Asura one of the better races to play. Even moreso due to their small size when doing stuff in close quarters like some of the jumping puzzles.

Sylvari seemed about the worst for me as far as storyline. And have you seen that freaking male Sylvari dance.... it was amusing as hell watching it for its ridiculous factor but man... just wow.

 

I tried a Sylvari, twice, and really couldn't get into them. I don't know if it's due to the profession (elementalist most recently) or the race itself, but it didn't stick. Maybe as a mesmer it would be different, I don't know, but I had three mesmers in GW1, trying to stick to my one here. The Asura dance is pretty good. The human "Shuffling" dance is spot on, they nailed that one beautifully. I like the Charr "tribal" dances actually... knowing what they're based on and tying it to the Charr themselves and their lore has me now thinking it was a brilliant choice. Norn are silly.

Oderint, dum metuant.

  User Deleted
10/19/12 10:12:34 AM#28
Originally posted by Volkon
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by Volkon
Tron, I'm working a thief alt, but as an Asura. The Asura story lines are (imo) quite enjoyable. Besides, once you go Asura, the rest of the races seem so... intellectually lacking. Having fun with Sword/Dagger personally. Skill 3 on that combo is a blast.

Yeah I found the Asura one of the better races to play. Even moreso due to their small size when doing stuff in close quarters like some of the jumping puzzles.

Sylvari seemed about the worst for me as far as storyline. And have you seen that freaking male Sylvari dance.... it was amusing as hell watching it for its ridiculous factor but man... just wow.

 

I tried a Sylvari, twice, and really couldn't get into them. I don't know if it's due to the profession (elementalist most recently) or the race itself, but it didn't stick. Maybe as a mesmer it would be different, I don't know, but I had three mesmers in GW1, trying to stick to my one here. The Asura dance is pretty good. The human "Shuffling" dance is spot on, they nailed that one beautifully. I like the Charr "tribal" dances actually... knowing what they're based on and tying it to the Charr themselves and their lore has me now thinking it was a brilliant choice. Norn are silly.

My favorite race remains Norn, by very far. But then, I'm mad of celtic/nordic lore in "real" life, so I just love the setting.

Asura are funny, and I will definitely slowly level my engineer, but I still prefer Norn, even after trying all races until at least 15+ (during beta or after release).

I'll eventually play a Charr if they ever make them able to run on two legs, like the Charr NPCs can. They look quite badass with a weapon, but I can't get into the 4 leg running animation.

  User Deleted
10/19/12 10:15:32 AM#29


Originally posted by Randayn

Originally posted by Aerowyn so you broke your promise already.. meh people's words mean nothing nowadays..
I'm sorry....a bit tipsy...will keep my mouth shut :P

Dear Diary,


Wine coolers will do that, seems to be a theme with you. That and baiting the forums.


I like my story, played it all the way to 80.

*Thanks for sharing

  halflife25

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10/19/12 10:17:54 AM#30
Originally posted by Randayn

At level 12 right now.  Im one of those tree dudes cuz it was the best (of the available) zones I want to do.  I had a comment....why, during the story, does this dude make armor for a bad guy that I have to beat that allows him to never die, and then doesn't make it for the ones he's friends with?  Terrible story...

At level 12 and had to log off...so boring.  But, i will continue on, because I must find the "game of the future" in there somewhere...

Only decent stories or i may say 'tolerable' ones are on Asura side. The msot boring stories i came across were for humans and norn. Even sylvari is bit better. Havent tried charr yet.

  GeezerGamer

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10/19/12 10:21:05 AM#31
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by Randayn

At level 12 right now.  Im one of those tree dudes cuz it was the best (of the available) zones I want to do.  I had a comment....why, during the story, does this dude make armor for a bad guy that I have to beat that allows him to never die, and then doesn't make it for the ones he's friends with?  Terrible story...

At level 12 and had to log off...so boring.  But, i will continue on, because I must find the "game of the future" in there somewhere...

Only decent stories or i may say 'tolerable' ones are on Asura side. The msot boring stories i came across were for humans and norn. Even sylvari is bit better. Havent tried charr yet.

The Charr storyline is actually pretty good. I think it's a bit over the top, but overall, I enjoy it.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Randayn

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OP  10/19/12 11:07:32 AM#32
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by Randayn

At level 12 right now.  Im one of those tree dudes cuz it was the best (of the available) zones I want to do.  I had a comment....why, during the story, does this dude make armor for a bad guy that I have to beat that allows him to never die, and then doesn't make it for the ones he's friends with?  Terrible story...

At level 12 and had to log off...so boring.  But, i will continue on, because I must find the "game of the future" in there somewhere...

Only decent stories or i may say 'tolerable' ones are on Asura side. The msot boring stories i came across were for humans and norn. Even sylvari is bit better. Havent tried charr yet.

The Charr storyline is actually pretty good. I think it's a bit over the top, but overall, I enjoy it.

I agree...I just didnt like playing a Charr :P

  Aerowyn

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10/19/12 11:47:24 AM#33
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by Randayn

At level 12 right now.  Im one of those tree dudes cuz it was the best (of the available) zones I want to do.  I had a comment....why, during the story, does this dude make armor for a bad guy that I have to beat that allows him to never die, and then doesn't make it for the ones he's friends with?  Terrible story...

At level 12 and had to log off...so boring.  But, i will continue on, because I must find the "game of the future" in there somewhere...

Only decent stories or i may say 'tolerable' ones are on Asura side. The msot boring stories i came across were for humans and norn. Even sylvari is bit better. Havent tried charr yet.

blacked out drunk storyline from norn is by far my favorite early story in the game.. just too funny

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  GeezerGamer

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10/19/12 4:36:09 PM#34
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by Randayn

At level 12 right now.  Im one of those tree dudes cuz it was the best (of the available) zones I want to do.  I had a comment....why, during the story, does this dude make armor for a bad guy that I have to beat that allows him to never die, and then doesn't make it for the ones he's friends with?  Terrible story...

At level 12 and had to log off...so boring.  But, i will continue on, because I must find the "game of the future" in there somewhere...

Only decent stories or i may say 'tolerable' ones are on Asura side. The msot boring stories i came across were for humans and norn. Even sylvari is bit better. Havent tried charr yet.

blacked out drunk storyline from norn is by far my favorite early story in the game.. just too funny

The last toon I rerolled was a Norn Guardian. It's the one I play. Yes I still do. (play) It's still good to hop in when I've got less than an hour to kill (By kill I mean beat shiz up)

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  halflife25

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10/19/12 4:39:22 PM#35
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by Randayn

At level 12 right now.  Im one of those tree dudes cuz it was the best (of the available) zones I want to do.  I had a comment....why, during the story, does this dude make armor for a bad guy that I have to beat that allows him to never die, and then doesn't make it for the ones he's friends with?  Terrible story...

At level 12 and had to log off...so boring.  But, i will continue on, because I must find the "game of the future" in there somewhere...

Only decent stories or i may say 'tolerable' ones are on Asura side. The msot boring stories i came across were for humans and norn. Even sylvari is bit better. Havent tried charr yet.

blacked out drunk storyline from norn is by far my favorite early story in the game.. just too funny

I am currently playing a norn guardian (female). And thanks to the voice acting i play the game on mute. No kidding. That is how bad and cheesy voice acting is for norn females.

  Aerowyn

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10/19/12 4:45:00 PM#36
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by Randayn

At level 12 right now.  Im one of those tree dudes cuz it was the best (of the available) zones I want to do.  I had a comment....why, during the story, does this dude make armor for a bad guy that I have to beat that allows him to never die, and then doesn't make it for the ones he's friends with?  Terrible story...

At level 12 and had to log off...so boring.  But, i will continue on, because I must find the "game of the future" in there somewhere...

Only decent stories or i may say 'tolerable' ones are on Asura side. The msot boring stories i came across were for humans and norn. Even sylvari is bit better. Havent tried charr yet.

blacked out drunk storyline from norn is by far my favorite early story in the game.. just too funny

I am currently playing a norn guardian (female). And thanks to the voice acting i play the game on mute. No kidding. That is how bad and cheesy voice acting is for norn females.

out of all the females i'd say norn is easily my least favorite VO but overall it's not that bad and they are going for the nordic/viking feel and think it fits it alright.. but i do like the other female races VO a lot better

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  Randayn

Hard Core Member

Joined: 7/16/12
Posts: 778

 
OP  10/19/12 4:46:23 PM#37
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by Randayn

At level 12 right now.  Im one of those tree dudes cuz it was the best (of the available) zones I want to do.  I had a comment....why, during the story, does this dude make armor for a bad guy that I have to beat that allows him to never die, and then doesn't make it for the ones he's friends with?  Terrible story...

At level 12 and had to log off...so boring.  But, i will continue on, because I must find the "game of the future" in there somewhere...

Only decent stories or i may say 'tolerable' ones are on Asura side. The msot boring stories i came across were for humans and norn. Even sylvari is bit better. Havent tried charr yet.

blacked out drunk storyline from norn is by far my favorite early story in the game.. just too funny

I am currently playing a norn guardian (female). And thanks to the voice acting i play the game on mute. No kidding. That is how bad and cheesy voice acting is for norn females.

out of all the females i'd say norn is easily my least favorite VO but overall it's not that bad and they are going for the nordic/viking feel and think it fits it alright.. but i do like the other female races VO a lot better

haha..yeah, they sound like a strict principal of a high school :P

  GeezerGamer

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Joined: 4/03/12
Posts: 5251

10/19/12 6:11:02 PM#38
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by Randayn

At level 12 right now.  Im one of those tree dudes cuz it was the best (of the available) zones I want to do.  I had a comment....why, during the story, does this dude make armor for a bad guy that I have to beat that allows him to never die, and then doesn't make it for the ones he's friends with?  Terrible story...

At level 12 and had to log off...so boring.  But, i will continue on, because I must find the "game of the future" in there somewhere...

Only decent stories or i may say 'tolerable' ones are on Asura side. The msot boring stories i came across were for humans and norn. Even sylvari is bit better. Havent tried charr yet.

blacked out drunk storyline from norn is by far my favorite early story in the game.. just too funny

I am currently playing a norn guardian (female). And thanks to the voice acting i play the game on mute. No kidding. That is how bad and cheesy voice acting is for norn females.

out of all the females i'd say norn is easily my least favorite VO but overall it's not that bad and they are going for the nordic/viking feel and think it fits it alright.. but i do like the other female races VO a lot better

Somewhere along the way, they confused Nordic Viking Female with Giant Amazon Supermodels (Who can't act)

And again, to be fair, WoW did it too, back in Wrath. 

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

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