Originally posted by Ripostethis

Originally posted by DavisFlight

Originally posted by Ripostethis
Not enough funding to make it a big theme park mmo like Everquest 2 was. Will be something like GW2 , sounds like it will suck and be boring if you are into PVE, but will be based on pvp.

Haha what? How did you reach this conclusion?

Not enough funding? SoE is one of the most successful MMO companies out there. They had the funds to develop Planetside 2's engine from scratch (and it is an AMAZING engine). And how will it be like sandbox? GW2 is the opposite of a sanbox.

And why does sandbox mean PvP? SWG was PvE oriented, as was Asheron's Call.

Christ.

I know the guy who is an accountant for SOE. They had their budget cut by $10 million for EQ2 next. Original budget was somewhere around $25 million, cut down to <$15 million and had to lay off a bunch of developers.

And GW2 is a Sandbox mmo, there is only one major quest line, everything else is from live events, and you roaming the world to find more. They mentioned it will be more based on PVP, and less on PVE. It's going to be a game focusing more so on open world pvp, and less focused on quest lines like the previous 2 Everquests were.

WoW and Everquest 2 are theme park mmos. This is supposed to be a "reimaging" of the Everquest franchise, and they are saying all this fancy talk because the budget isn't there for Everquest like it was before.

 And so is GW2 a themepark. Come on now. Just because they abandoned the questsystem and replaced it with someone even more boring and repetitive, doesn't make it a themepark.

GW2 is a strict class / level based progression game!  That alone goes against the very definition of sandbox!

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Thorqemada

Fundamentally Sandbox games be cheaper bcs a Sandbox is much about game systems and player interaction not primary about premade quest and raid content.
So if you have established your sandboxy "Virtual World" the dynamics of player interaction be the biggest motivation.
The fundamentals need to be more fleshed out but the content generation is way cheaper.

If SOE is successfull this time depends on how serious they undertake this journey, how well the treat their game if its life (SOE is traditional bad at that too) and how much serious competiton is out the time EQ Next arrives.

Atm there is only Archeage and if it makes it over the ocean is a question with an unknown answer.
The Indies can not stink against a polished AAA product and CCP is way behind any serious release schedule with WoD.

If SOE does it right this time it could be a niche hit in a quite profitable niche that usually is almost not affected by WoW alike games.

Both Rockstar and Bethesda have said that making sandboxes actually cost more. Creating tools for players is not so easy as it sounds, UO already showed that and Lord Brittish have talked a lot about all weird consequenses freedom actually have in a game.

What is cheaper is patching in new content, since the players themselves do a lot of the work but the launchcost will not be lower just because you make a sandbox, no matter what Goblinworks have said.

Sandbox games are supposed to be like tool boxes, which is why Eve has worked so well, CCP 'went with the flow' they let the players choose how the game evolved, maybe its because their a bit closer to their game than others are, when you introduce 'freedom' into a game, then yes, weird things do happen, but i guess thats because when Devs plan game which they envision maybe 3 seperate paths to follow, players will almost always choose the 4th. Themepark games have had their day, but their getting old, very very old. More players now are probably ready for more 'sandboxy' style of gameplay, even if they don't realise it yet, what they want and perhaps, what they need may not be the same thing, can SOE do it though, doubtful, after seeing how dreadful Planetside 2 is shaping up to be, i really have to wonder if SOE can succeed in the MMO market on any level anymore

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Originally posted by XAPGames
Wouldn't it be ironic if Zenimax produced "World of Tamriel" while SOE produced a functional sandbox.

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To the extreme...

Originally posted by Whacko

It's going to be F2P right from the get go, 

But I bet if you want to play in the real sandbox you'll be able to sub.

And i will gladly pay that sub.

Originally posted by Ripostethis
Not enough funding to make it a big theme park mmo like Everquest 2 was. Will be something like GW2 , sounds like it will suck and be boring if you are into PVE, but will be based on pvp.

This is a thread about EQNext not GW2, go to your GW2 forum if you want to talk about your messiah. The game will be nothing like GW2, last time i checked GW2 was a linear themepark of the same mold as all other themepark.

Smed has already said it will be more akin to Vanguard and EQ1.

EQNext based on PVP lmfao.

This is great news about EQNext and I hope SOE can pull it off. 

Companies can evolve, just like games can. They are dynamic and they change with circumstances.  It would be great for our genre if we can get the sandbox people want.  Of course, not everyone will ever be happy with any game, but I think this could have a huge positive impact on mmorpgs in the future, if it's done right.

Originally posted by Ripostethis

And GW2 is a Sandbox mmo, there is only one major quest line, everything else is from live events, and you roaming the world to find more. 

What?  Roaming to find more quests makes a game a sandbox these days?  

GW2 is 100% Themepark.  Even WvW resets in the thempark spirit.  You and your guild have absolutely zero impact on the themepark world of GW2.

As far as Smegleys anouncement, it's intreaguing but as an old time customer of his, I won't get my hopes up.

Well after testing PS2 voer a few mnoths now and seeing how well SOE are interacting with the community I have a very very good vibe about EQ:Next and I cant wait to find out more details...

As for people saying GW2 is a sandbox all I can respond with is this..

LOL

Too bad you can't trust a damn word the guy says.

Seems like everything the guy ever says might be "true at the time or moment he says it" but what shows up ends up being something completely different.

Sorry Smed, nothing you say can be believed.

Originally posted by Burntvet

Too bad you can't trust a damn word the guy says.

Seems like everything the guy ever says might be "true at the time or moment he says it" but what shows up ends up being something completely different.

Sorry Smed, nothing you say can be believed.

well before i would have agreed with you but since testing PS2 over the last few months i would have to disagree..

Best news of the decade

I am very very excited about it.

Now we need Blizzard to announce that Titan will be a Sandbox too

An EQ sandbox would be cool. But I have serious doubts about this.

Originally posted by ste2000

Best news of the decade

I am very very excited about it.

Now we need Blizzard to announce that Titan will be a Sandbox too

Are Blizzard still working on Titan? They have mentioned the game for the first time almost 3-4 years ago. Yet we still haven't received any info.

Originally posted by fivoroth

An EQ sandbox would be cool. But I have serious doubts about this.

 

Originally posted by ste2000

Best news of the decade

I am very very excited about it.

Now we need Blizzard to announce that Titan will be a Sandbox too

Are Blizzard still working on Titan? They have mentioned the game for the first time almost 3-4 years ago. Yet we still haven't received any info.

When is last time you heard of EQnext news?

Exactly..............