Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Ravensworth

Originally posted by Hodo

Originally posted by COORS

Dust was a bad idea to begin with. It's hard to fathom how high level executives at CCP could have even for a second thought this was a valid project.

The company should have worked on plans to bring the Eve universe down to the planet level, not this insignificant console shooter that practically no one on the planet cares about.

Bad idea. Bad waste of company resources. This will not end well.

Tell me how it was a bad idea?

Lets look at this from a CEO point of view.

-Single system requirments that EVERY system on the market matches, the PS3. 

-Single system OS that all match, PS3 OS.

-Single licenseing agency, Sony.

-No need to draw players away from our already popular PC based MMO Eve.

-Attempt to draw in players who do not have access to PCs, or prefer FPS on console (yes they do exist).

 

Now lets look at the first choice in more depth.

Single system specs, no need to program the game for low end system, or for someone running Linux, or on a computer built yesterday by Skynet.   Its a simple idea, one OS, one system, no need to worry much about optimizing on every concievable computer in history.

 

So tell me again why this is a bad idea?

This was a bad idea because...Single console distribution is narrow minded in a game with a HUGE global player base. The Xbox accounts for at LEAST 35% of consoles and is a MICROSOFT console. XBOX live > PS3 network by far.

The concept of bringing in console gamers was okay but TBH many EVE players I have talked to are not excited by Dust 514. If CCP cannot get there existing player base excited about interacting with the console players and promoting the game then it is doomed to die a horrible death. 

1 Capsuleers opiinion.

 

Wikipedia states total worldwide XBox360 sales are 67m and PS3 sales are 64m. I own neither so am not invested in the result. If your stats include the old Xbox then the percentage does not conversely include the PS2 which is the Sony XBox equivalent.

 You are backing me up here? because at 35% I was including Wii sales and being Generous.

I did not include the original XBOX in my figures hence no PS2 figures. (PS2>XBOX IMHO)

My point, and others have made it, is "I am not buying a PS3 to play one game, that may or may not really impact my EVE play." At this point how much it will matter if you have Dust 514 players occupying planets and moons for you and will affect your EVE corp is unknown and will be unknown until the game launches. If it "TANKS" then the answer will be - not much!

If it does well. I would bet there are people on EVE who will HIRE people to play Dust 514 for them so they can conquer planets. EVE is a lifestyle not a game. The truly powerful in EVE spend a great deal of time in game because it requires that of leaders of large alliance.

Originally posted by Ravensworth

Originally posted by DavisFlight

Originally posted by kruler

Eve PC only and a tad niche

Haha what? It's got more subs than any other western MMO other than WoW.

 Not even close to other Western MMO's. Rifts is still far ahead and if you include Guild Wars 2(Not a sub min you I know) you are even farther off. EVE is a great game that continues to expand and improve. Dust 514 is not helping.

EvE has about half a million subs, I thought Rift was running at about 250k or so?

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Ravensworth

Originally posted by DavisFlight

Originally posted by kruler

Eve PC only and a tad niche

Haha what? It's got more subs than any other western MMO other than WoW.

 Not even close to other Western MMO's. Rifts is still far ahead and if you include Guild Wars 2(Not a sub min you I know) you are even farther off. EVE is a great game that continues to expand and improve. Dust 514 is not helping.

EvE has about half a million subs, I thought Rift was running at about 250k or so?

I stand corrected if that is correct. I doubt it though as EVE cannot handle more than 100k logged in at any one time. However you figures are probably more recent than mine and if so I apoloigize.  BUT EVE is much more of a international MMO than most IMHO with a large number of players in Russia and former Eastern Bloc nations.

Oh, one more thing. I want Dust 514 to be very successful as it will be good for the Overall EVE game. Just one more element of things that must be dealt with. I hope it does really well. I just don't think it will. I am not even demanding a PC version but an XBOX version would be nice. I think by going exclusive on PS3 CCP have hurt their sales.

eve never peaked at 500k yet, but its growing. unlike...well unlike everyone else.

http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-2.png

eve can handle 100k I believe, just not all in jita. :D scattered across systems and not doing 1200-people titan jumps at once its quite stable.

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Ravensworth

Originally posted by DavisFlight

Originally posted by kruler

Eve PC only and a tad niche

Haha what? It's got more subs than any other western MMO other than WoW.

 Not even close to other Western MMO's. Rifts is still far ahead and if you include Guild Wars 2(Not a sub min you I know) you are even farther off. EVE is a great game that continues to expand and improve. Dust 514 is not helping.

EvE has about half a million subs, I thought Rift was running at about 250k or so?

I think it's likely to be under 250k.  According to the sites rift has 26 servers most with low pop and a few with medium, so could easily be half that number or under depending on the definition of low and medium.

dust 514 is competing against planetside 2 (PC)

seriously, i have no idea what ccp is doing with their "only consoles" move for dust, but i hope whoever payed em to do that step, payed em enough :)

uh and btw, eve can handle 100k logged in players. normal ammount of players was around 150-300k last time i played

Man, I've seen so many people, including me, state that they would love the game, if only it was a PC game.

Let those bolded words ring into history.

Originally posted by Ravensworth

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Ravensworth

Originally posted by DavisFlight

Originally posted by kruler

Eve PC only and a tad niche

Haha what? It's got more subs than any other western MMO other than WoW.

 Not even close to other Western MMO's. Rifts is still far ahead and if you include Guild Wars 2(Not a sub min you I know) you are even farther off. EVE is a great game that continues to expand and improve. Dust 514 is not helping.

EvE has about half a million subs, I thought Rift was running at about 250k or so?

I stand corrected if that is correct. I doubt it though as EVE cannot handle more than 100k logged in at any one time. However you figures are probably more recent than mine and if so I apoloigize.  BUT EVE is much more of a international MMO than most IMHO with a large number of players in Russia and former Eastern Bloc nations.

 

If EvE or CCP was so secure in there future they would not be looking at a console format. I believe it is going to go to F2P with I Win Shops.

Originally posted by Elsabolts

Originally posted by Ravensworth

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Ravensworth

Originally posted by DavisFlight

Originally posted by kruler

Eve PC only and a tad niche

Haha what? It's got more subs than any other western MMO other than WoW.

 Not even close to other Western MMO's. Rifts is still far ahead and if you include Guild Wars 2(Not a sub min you I know) you are even farther off. EVE is a great game that continues to expand and improve. Dust 514 is not helping.

EvE has about half a million subs, I thought Rift was running at about 250k or so?

I stand corrected if that is correct. I doubt it though as EVE cannot handle more than 100k logged in at any one time. However you figures are probably more recent than mine and if so I apoloigize.  BUT EVE is much more of a international MMO than most IMHO with a large number of players in Russia and former Eastern Bloc nations.

 

If EvE or CCP was so secure in there future they would not be looking at a console format. I believe it is going to go to F2P with I Win Shops.

 

From the player reaction when they introduced a clothing shop for the Avatars I doubt they would try that, as someone else said, EvE is growing still after 8 years, however CCP has realised that their eggs are all in one EvE shaped basket and are trying to diversify their income stream by creating both Dust and WoD.

Originally posted by Elsabolts

Originally posted by Ravensworth

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Ravensworth

Originally posted by DavisFlight

Originally posted by kruler

Eve PC only and a tad niche

Haha what? It's got more subs than any other western MMO other than WoW.

 Not even close to other Western MMO's. Rifts is still far ahead and if you include Guild Wars 2(Not a sub min you I know) you are even farther off. EVE is a great game that continues to expand and improve. Dust 514 is not helping.

EvE has about half a million subs, I thought Rift was running at about 250k or so?

I stand corrected if that is correct. I doubt it though as EVE cannot handle more than 100k logged in at any one time. However you figures are probably more recent than mine and if so I apoloigize.  BUT EVE is much more of a international MMO than most IMHO with a large number of players in Russia and former Eastern Bloc nations.

 

If EvE or CCP was so secure in there future they would not be looking at a console format. I believe it is going to go to F2P with I Win Shops.

I do not think it is going F2P. It has done nothing but grow or stay steady in subs. A game that is growing is not likely to go F2P anytime soon.

Originally posted by Ravensworth

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Ravensworth

Originally posted by DavisFlight

Originally posted by kruler

Eve PC only and a tad niche

Haha what? It's got more subs than any other western MMO other than WoW.

 Not even close to other Western MMO's. Rifts is still far ahead and if you include Guild Wars 2(Not a sub min you I know) you are even farther off. EVE is a great game that continues to expand and improve. Dust 514 is not helping.

EvE has about half a million subs, I thought Rift was running at about 250k or so?

I stand corrected if that is correct. I doubt it though as EVE cannot handle more than 100k logged in at any one time. However you figures are probably more recent than mine and if so I apoloigize.  BUT EVE is much more of a international MMO than most IMHO with a large number of players in Russia and former Eastern Bloc nations.

Oh, one more thing. I want Dust 514 to be very successful as it will be good for the Overall EVE game. Just one more element of things that must be dealt with. I hope it does really well. I just don't think it will. I am not even demanding a PC version but an XBOX version would be nice. I think by going exclusive on PS3 CCP have hurt their sales.

I am not sure about the relevance of your comment about the nationality of the EvE player base. A Russian or East European, or nowadays Japanese sub is as valid and relevant as a US or western European sub.

I am not a current Eve player, but I would say that personally speaking, if DUST was released on PC I would try it even when I am not playing Eve, simply because of the fact that I know Eve has a rich universe a playerbased politics system, and I woul like to have a look at the ground element of it.

Releasing only on PS3 has killed any desire for me to even try it.

I don't know what the number of players in my situation is, but I would take a guess that it would not be low because I'm sure there are a lot of MMOers who like to try Eve but don't like the ship management/non-Elite (old school space sim) like element of it and wish it was more (like ground combat and such). So to me the idea that CCP has made the wrong decision on going PS3 only on DUST seems to have some merit.

Originally posted by Ravensworth

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Ravensworth

Originally posted by Hodo

Originally posted by COORS

Dust was a bad idea to begin with. It's hard to fathom how high level executives at CCP could have even for a second thought this was a valid project.

The company should have worked on plans to bring the Eve universe down to the planet level, not this insignificant console shooter that practically no one on the planet cares about.

Bad idea. Bad waste of company resources. This will not end well.

Tell me how it was a bad idea?

Lets look at this from a CEO point of view.

-Single system requirments that EVERY system on the market matches, the PS3. 

-Single system OS that all match, PS3 OS.

-Single licenseing agency, Sony.

-No need to draw players away from our already popular PC based MMO Eve.

-Attempt to draw in players who do not have access to PCs, or prefer FPS on console (yes they do exist).

 

Now lets look at the first choice in more depth.

Single system specs, no need to program the game for low end system, or for someone running Linux, or on a computer built yesterday by Skynet.   Its a simple idea, one OS, one system, no need to worry much about optimizing on every concievable computer in history.

 

So tell me again why this is a bad idea?

This was a bad idea because...Single console distribution is narrow minded in a game with a HUGE global player base. The Xbox accounts for at LEAST 35% of consoles and is a MICROSOFT console. XBOX live > PS3 network by far.

The concept of bringing in console gamers was okay but TBH many EVE players I have talked to are not excited by Dust 514. If CCP cannot get there existing player base excited about interacting with the console players and promoting the game then it is doomed to die a horrible death. 

1 Capsuleers opiinion.

 

Wikipedia states total worldwide XBox360 sales are 67m and PS3 sales are 64m. I own neither so am not invested in the result. If your stats include the old Xbox then the percentage does not conversely include the PS2 which is the Sony XBox equivalent.

 You are backing me up here? because at 35% I was including Wii sales and being Generous.

I did not include the original XBOX in my figures hence no PS2 figures. (PS2>XBOX IMHO)

My point, and others have made it, is "I am not buying a PS3 to play one game, that may or may not really impact my EVE play." At this point how much it will matter if you have Dust 514 players occupying planets and moons for you and will affect your EVE corp is unknown and will be unknown until the game launches. If it "TANKS" then the answer will be - not much!

If it does well. I would bet there are people on EVE who will HIRE people to play Dust 514 for them so they can conquer planets. EVE is a lifestyle not a game. The truly powerful in EVE spend a great deal of time in game because it requires that of leaders of large alliance.

The main reason this game isn't coming to 360 is because it's made basically using Sony's UE mod code. No way would Sony allow MS to get a game with their code. 

Lot of people don't understand that Dust was made using MAG mod which is Sony's code. Hint,, PS3 exclusive...

I will not be buying or playing Dust 514 because its on console.

It as pathetic that companies like CapCom release all these fighting games on Xbox 360 but will not release on PC for example.

Their last release on pc that I know of was Street Fighter X Tekken and the game isn't even worth $10 thats how bad it is. Now if they released the actual Mortal Kombat series, and Tekken, ETC. and made these playable across platforms PC to Xbox 360, PS3 etc. Then I would buy the games they release if they were worthit.

Dust 514 Has no reason why it should not be released on PC if a console can handle the game a PC should be able to as well I will not be playing on a console because it is why I bought a computer to begin consoles just meh, its lame I have to buy a seperate box to play games on when my PC can play the game.

Originally posted by Renoaku

I will not be buying or playing Dust 514 because its on console.

It as pathetic that companies like CapCom release all these fighting games on Xbox 360 but will not release on PC for example.

Their last release on pc that I know of was Street Fighter X Tekken and the game isn't even worth $10 thats how bad it is. Now if they released the actual Mortal Kombat series, and Tekken, ETC. and made these playable across platforms PC to Xbox 360, PS3 etc. Then I would buy the games they release if they were worthit.

Dust 514 Has no reason why it should not be released on PC if a console can handle the game a PC should be able to as well I will not be playing on a console because it is why I bought a computer to begin consoles just meh, its lame I have to buy a seperate box to play games on when my PC can play the game.

It's a game built using Sony's PS3 MAG mod of UE!!! That's why it's only on PS3, because its using PS3 game mod. Get it?!

Originally posted by MMOExposed

It's a game built using Sony's PS3 MAG mod of UE!!! That's why it's only on PS3, because its using PS3 game mod. Get it?!

What the...

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I don't even...

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I'm just going to assume your post was intended as a joke and that the punchline went over my head.   :)

The reason they wanted to put it on PS3 was to keep it free. If you have a 360 your still stuck with monthly fees that CCP wanted to avoid if they werent getting the money from it. Also they needed to keep it on a single console since it has to connect to the Eve universe.

Also Sony and Microsoft will NEVER agree to work togeather for online. it hurts 360's biggest selling feature being LIVE "why pay for Live when i get the same players, connection and system for free with sony". when the vast majority of games are on both consoles, There is no real reason to have both and this is coming from a person who had both until 3 months ago.

Now if the 2 systems cant work togeather then Eve MUST pick one. CCP wanted to keep it as free as possible, Thus it shows up on PS3.

Though why they didnt pick PC only instead can only be them trying to stretch out to a bigger market. other than that i don't know.

Originally posted by BrotherD
Its PS3 only. So I have to go buy a PS3 just to play it, when PS4 is coming out in 1-2 years. Not gonna happen. This was a really stupid idea from the start. Only way I gonna play it, is if it comes to PC or PS3 drops prices by at least half. 

The PS3 is not very expensive and has a Blu Ray player (the reason I bought mine) plus you can play online for free... Why NOT get one? The damn Blu Ray player alone is worth the $250 or so .

The next gen are (so I hear) not going to take any physical media (i.e. no Blu ray player)

-So IDK. I get far more use from my PS3 than my Xbox.... Not on games nessasarily but as an all around system.

Originally posted by MMOExposed

Originally posted by Renoaku

I will not be buying or playing Dust 514 because its on console.

It as pathetic that companies like CapCom release all these fighting games on Xbox 360 but will not release on PC for example.

Their last release on pc that I know of was Street Fighter X Tekken and the game isn't even worth $10 thats how bad it is. Now if they released the actual Mortal Kombat series, and Tekken, ETC. and made these playable across platforms PC to Xbox 360, PS3 etc. Then I would buy the games they release if they were worthit.

Dust 514 Has no reason why it should not be released on PC if a console can handle the game a PC should be able to as well I will not be playing on a console because it is why I bought a computer to begin consoles just meh, its lame I have to buy a seperate box to play games on when my PC can play the game.

It's a game built using Sony's PS3 MAG mod of UE!!! That's why it's only on PS3, because its using PS3 game mod. Get it?!

Dude, you are arguing against a brick wall. Don't hurt yourself with it. I wish I could tell you that people care about why more than simply what is. However, as soon as the DEV team selected to make their game exclusively for one platform they alienated everyone else. It's like declaring a political party. Since the teams choice leaves everyone not on the PS3 high and dry that might have been interested they are going to complain. WHY doesn't matter. What is rules the current debate.