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  Jerek_

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10/17/12 1:26:12 PM#21
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by mastersomrat
Because it's only on PS3.  The people I know that have a  PS3 use then for two things.  Sport games and glaying bluerays.  CCP really messed up on this one.  Why they would decide to take a route in which less than 25% of households in the US have a PS3 is mind boggleing.

Whilst I understand that American made maps have whole swathes marked "Here be dragons" but what there really is, is hundreds of other countries. In fact CCP are based in one of these mythical lands of fire and ice.

really just a great post.  Insulting an enitre country for ignorance while suggesting its ok for a game designer to ignore the details of one of their biggest possible markets at the same time?  genius.

  RefMinor

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10/17/12 1:40:32 PM#22
Originally posted by Jerek_
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by mastersomrat
Because it's only on PS3.  The people I know that have a  PS3 use then for two things.  Sport games and glaying bluerays.  CCP really messed up on this one.  Why they would decide to take a route in which less than 25% of households in the US have a PS3 is mind boggleing.

Whilst I understand that American made maps have whole swathes marked "Here be dragons" but what there really is, is hundreds of other countries. In fact CCP are based in one of these mythical lands of fire and ice.

really just a great post.  Insulting an enitre country for ignorance while suggesting its ok for a game designer to ignore the details of one of their biggest possible markets at the same time?  genius.

I shall assume you mean every word as we all know Americans aren't very good at irony and sarcasm.

  winter

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10/17/12 1:52:12 PM#23
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by mastersomrat
Because it's only on PS3.  The people I know that have a  PS3 use then for two things.  Sport games and glaying bluerays.  CCP really messed up on this one.  Why they would decide to take a route in which less than 25% of households in the US have a PS3 is mind boggleing.

Whilst I understand that American made maps have whole swathes marked "Here be dragons" but what there really is, is hundreds of other countries. In fact CCP are based in one of these mythical lands of fire and ice.

  Odd but in reality the maps with "here be dragons" were mainly made by europians before America was discovered. Guess i'm missing some sarcasm or fine irony in your non-factual statement'

Heres a link though it kinda blows holes in your its a american thing arguement

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here_be_dragons

  RefMinor

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10/17/12 2:12:47 PM#24
Originally posted by winter
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by mastersomrat
Because it's only on PS3.  The people I know that have a  PS3 use then for two things.  Sport games and glaying bluerays.  CCP really messed up on this one.  Why they would decide to take a route in which less than 25% of households in the US have a PS3 is mind boggleing.

Whilst I understand that American made maps have whole swathes marked "Here be dragons" but what there really is, is hundreds of other countries. In fact CCP are based in one of these mythical lands of fire and ice.

  Odd but in reality the maps with "here be dragons" were mainly made by europians before America was discovered. Guess i'm missing some sarcasm or fine irony in your non-factual statement'

Heres a link though it kinda blows holes in your its a american thing arguement

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here_be_dragons

I will see your wiki and raise you this.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=qQdhMSEqhfg&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DqQdhMSEqhfg

  Senadina

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10/17/12 2:21:08 PM#25
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by mastersomrat
Because it's only on PS3.  The people I know that have a  PS3 use then for two things.  Sport games and glaying bluerays.  CCP really messed up on this one.  Why they would decide to take a route in which less than 25% of households in the US have a PS3 is mind boggleing.

Whilst I understand that American made maps have whole swathes marked "Here be dragons" but what there really is, is hundreds of other countries. In fact CCP are based in one of these mythical lands of fire and ice.

 Thanks for the laugh. It is so true that we Americans forget we are not the center of the universe.

On topic. I too think PS3 only is a strange and baffling decision. I only fear that if Dust fails miserably we will never see World of Darkness.

  RefMinor

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10/17/12 2:27:18 PM#26
Originally posted by Ravensworth
Originally posted by Hodo
Originally posted by COORS

Dust was a bad idea to begin with. It's hard to fathom how high level executives at CCP could have even for a second thought this was a valid project.

The company should have worked on plans to bring the Eve universe down to the planet level, not this insignificant console shooter that practically no one on the planet cares about.

Bad idea. Bad waste of company resources. This will not end well.

Tell me how it was a bad idea?

Lets look at this from a CEO point of view.

-Single system requirments that EVERY system on the market matches, the PS3. 

-Single system OS that all match, PS3 OS.

-Single licenseing agency, Sony.

-No need to draw players away from our already popular PC based MMO Eve.

-Attempt to draw in players who do not have access to PCs, or prefer FPS on console (yes they do exist).

 

Now lets look at the first choice in more depth.

Single system specs, no need to program the game for low end system, or for someone running Linux, or on a computer built yesterday by Skynet.   Its a simple idea, one OS, one system, no need to worry much about optimizing on every concievable computer in history.

 

So tell me again why this is a bad idea?

This was a bad idea because...Single console distribution is narrow minded in a game with a HUGE global player base. The Xbox accounts for at LEAST 35% of consoles and is a MICROSOFT console. XBOX live > PS3 network by far.

The concept of bringing in console gamers was okay but TBH many EVE players I have talked to are not excited by Dust 514. If CCP cannot get there existing player base excited about interacting with the console players and promoting the game then it is doomed to die a horrible death

1 Capsuleers opiinion.

 

Wikipedia states total worldwide XBox360 sales are 67m and PS3 sales are 64m. I own neither so am not invested in the result. If your stats include the old Xbox then the percentage does not conversely include the PS2 which is the Sony XBox equivalent.

  DavisFlight

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10/17/12 2:34:15 PM#27
Originally posted by kruler

Eve PC only and a tad niche

Haha what? It's got more subs than any other western MMO other than WoW.

  yutty

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Posts: 190

10/17/12 2:34:35 PM#28
Originally posted by MMOExposed
beta is so empty. but why?

everything about this game is sub par. So many other lobby fps that play much bettter than dust. The game feels sluggish and its not really fun to play.

  GolbezTheLion

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10/17/12 2:43:10 PM#29
Originally posted by tank017
console MMO's suck

 

  rwyan

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10/17/12 2:43:26 PM#30

Well... the game is in beta.  So access is fairly limited right now.  I really did enjoy the original PlanetSide.... which is what I expect this to be (just in the eve universe amd on the PS3).

 

Having played both PS2 and DUST 514, I can say that FPS of this kind just aren't my cup of tea anymore.  I do wonder myself why this wasn't somehow packaged as part of the PC eve experience...  Players would have the options of ship-based gameplay or on the ground FPS and the integrations between both experiences would have been tighter.

  Vhaln

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10/17/12 2:58:16 PM#31
How limited is the access?

When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.

  RavingRabbid

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10/17/12 2:58:23 PM#32
Couple ppl in my SWTOR guild tried it out and didnt like it at all. If alot of ppl didnt like it that maybe why the beta is empty.  I for one thought this was a bad idea not only to limit the game to one console, but diverting funds from World of Darkenss online was downright stupid. PPL are screaming for a WOD type mmo. Im not sure what CCP executives were thinking on this one. CCP should stick to what they know.....making mmo's.

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  Kyleran

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10/17/12 3:09:14 PM#33

Overheard during an incursion run in EVE last evening.....

Player 1 - "Anyone playing Dust 514 right now?"

Player 2 - " Yes, I am and really enjoy it"

Player 2 - "It all comes down to people who enjoy COD vs people who enjoy the complexity of EVE.  People who like COD hate Dust because of its complexity, People who enjoy EVE hate COD players because they are so darn good at FPSers"

Player 3 - "I really like FPS'ers, and in fact am quite good at them if I do say so myself, but there's no way I'm going to buy a PS 3 to play it"

Player 4, 5 and 6 - "Ditto"

And now there's the problem, they might have built a pretty decent shooter (that of course won't appeal necessarily to the typical player base for this sort of game) and might have been enjoyed by EVE players who enjoy shooters (even if they aren't always great at them) except the choice of platform is really going to limit the game's success.

And EVE players are not very likely to unsub from EVE just to play Dust514, heck, we're all used to paying for multiple accounts (or PLEXing them) so what would be the big deal of adding a Dust 514 account (or even two?)

No, I think CCP missed the mark with this title in a number of ways, not the least being it also diverted funds that could have been spent on WOD or improving EVE into a project most EVE players will never experience.

 

Arrogant, Condescending, Dismissive, Elitist, "Meany", you speak as if these are bad things?
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  Betaguy

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10/17/12 3:11:10 PM#34
Originally posted by Psychow
Because the whole world is playing GW2 of course! Right?

This cracked me up.....

  Vaross

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10/17/12 5:21:49 PM#35
Please keep the discussion focused on the game.
  Voiidiin

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10/17/12 5:45:47 PM#36
Originally posted by COORS

Dust was a bad idea to begin with. It's hard to fathom how high level executives at CCP could have even for a second thought this was a valid project.

The company should have worked on plans to bring the Eve universe down to the planet level, not this insignificant console shooter that practically no one on the planet cares about.

Bad idea. Bad waste of company resources. This will not end well.

Yes i agree with you but i think it would have been 100% better to have moved to multi human avatars aboard single ships manning seperate stations, and also added ship to ship baoarding/assaults, doing this long before adding in ground assaults would have me playing EvE for quite a long time.

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  Robokapp

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10/17/12 5:53:20 PM#37
I'll try it when it lauches on PC. if it never does, I'll never try it.

  Karahandras

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10/17/12 5:58:12 PM#38
Originally posted by Hodo
Originally posted by COORS

Dust was a bad idea to begin with. It's hard to fathom how high level executives at CCP could have even for a second thought this was a valid project.

The company should have worked on plans to bring the Eve universe down to the planet level, not this insignificant console shooter that practically no one on the planet cares about.

Bad idea. Bad waste of company resources. This will not end well.

Tell me how it was a bad idea?

Lets look at this from a CEO point of view.

-Single system requirments that EVERY system on the market matches, the PS3. 

-Single system OS that all match, PS3 OS.

-Single licenseing agency, Sony.

-No need to draw players away from our already popular PC based MMO Eve.

-Attempt to draw in players who do not have access to PCs, or prefer FPS on console (yes they do exist).

 

Now lets look at the first choice in more depth.

Single system specs, no need to program the game for low end system, or for someone running Linux, or on a computer built yesterday by Skynet.   Its a simple idea, one OS, one system, no need to worry much about optimizing on every concievable computer in history.

 

So tell me again why this is a bad idea?

If i remember correctly dust was also going to have an xbox release, but problems with microsoft ended that and as such would mean most of your assumptions are incorrect.

  Ravensworth

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10/17/12 5:59:53 PM#39
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by kruler

Eve PC only and a tad niche

Haha what? It's got more subs than any other western MMO other than WoW.

 Not even close to other Western MMO's. Rifts is still far ahead and if you include Guild Wars 2(Not a sub min you I know) you are even farther off. EVE is a great game that continues to expand and improve. Dust 514 is not helping.

  Shmackpappy

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10/17/12 6:05:32 PM#40
Going out on a limb in an attempt to answer the OP's question but I'm thinking one big reason could be that no one has heard of it.
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