Originally posted by Randayn

made it to level 8 tonight....my toons name is Randaynn...come to find out there is already a "Randayn" in game...

I will promise to not make another comment on the game until I reach 80...

the whole issue with your little "experiment" is you are going in already with a huge negative bias towards the game.. so basically you are just doing this to validate your negative bias.. but honestly whatever floats your boat I guess hope you find some enjoyment perhaps you missed last time playing:)

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Randayn

made it to level 8 tonight....my toons name is Randaynn...come to find out there is already a "Randayn" in game...

I will promise to not make another comment on the game until I reach 80...

the whole issue with your little "experiment" is you are going in already with a huge negative bias towards the game.. so basically you are just doing this to validate your negative bias.. but honestly whatever floats your boat I guess hope you find some enjoyment perhaps you missed last time playing:)

Did even 10% of the people who started playing Guild Wars 2 do so without any bias? Just buying the game is an indication of a bias since it requires a monetary investment. 

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

 

Did even 10% of the people who started playing Guild Wars 2 do so without any bias? Just buying the game is an indication of a bias since it requires a monetary investment. 

for instance lets say I loathe FPS games but I hear all these people talking about how great this new FPS game is, I fork down the cash to buy it knowling I dislike FPS games and low and behold I hate it because it's a FPS.. Randayn already stated he really hates the direction the mmo genre has gone over the years and basically some of GW2 key features are features he feels are what are ruining the genre... so to me this is going in with a very negative bias which will greatly influence how you preceive and play the game

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Randayn

made it to level 8 tonight....my toons name is Randaynn...come to find out there is already a "Randayn" in game...

I will promise to not make another comment on the game until I reach 80...

the whole issue with your little "experiment" is you are going in already with a huge negative bias towards the game.. so basically you are just doing this to validate your negative bias.. but honestly whatever floats your boat I guess hope you find some enjoyment perhaps you missed last time playing:)

I most definitely have a negative bias towards the game, but I promise to keep an open mind.

Originally posted by Randayn

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Randayn

made it to level 8 tonight....my toons name is Randaynn...come to find out there is already a "Randayn" in game...

I will promise to not make another comment on the game until I reach 80...

the whole issue with your little "experiment" is you are going in already with a huge negative bias towards the game.. so basically you are just doing this to validate your negative bias.. but honestly whatever floats your boat I guess hope you find some enjoyment perhaps you missed last time playing:)

I most definitely have a negative bias towards the game, but I promise to keep an open mind.

Too late.

Originally posted by slicknslim88

Originally posted by Randayn

I most definitely have a negative bias towards the game, but I promise to keep an open mind.

Too late.

It's never too late to try to be more open-minded... if it were, we'd all be doomed.

Originally posted by Vhaln

Originally posted by slicknslim88

Originally posted by Randayn

I most definitely have a negative bias towards the game, but I promise to keep an open mind.

Too late.

It's never too late to try to be more open-minded... if it were, we'd all be doomed.

Oh no I know that man.  Being open-minded is a very good thing.  I was just saying that it's too late for him to promise to be open minded because it's embarressingly obvious that he's as close minded as they come.

Originally posted by slicknslim88

Originally posted by Vhaln

Originally posted by slicknslim88

Originally posted by Randayn

I most definitely have a negative bias towards the game, but I promise to keep an open mind.

Too late.

It's never too late to try to be more open-minded... if it were, we'd all be doomed.

Oh no I know that man.  Being open-minded is a very good thing.  I was just saying that it's too late for him to promise to be open minded because it's embarressingly obvious that he's as close minded as they come.

Objectivity lends itself well to "closed-mindedness"

whens the last time you heard me say "this game sucks so bad"...never I've given 3 arguments....lack of trinity = lack of strategy, twitch combat replacing preparation based combat and a generic feel to the game.  

I think I've been as objective as I possibly could be on such a subjective subject

Originally posted by Randayn

Originally posted by fundayz

Originally posted by ZigZags

The game is WoW without the difficulty and sense of achievement. That's why. Like i've said 10000 times before. Its a theme park released in an age where there are already better theme parks...

 GW2 is like the Knotts Berry Farms of MMOs. It sucks and Id rather just go to Disneyland.

You forgot the part where GW2 plays nothing like WoW or other WoW-clones. Seriously, have you even played the game?

you GW2 fanatics have got to stop kidding yourselves....GW2 plays just like WOW until you get in a dungeon...then it plays like WoW but without the great strategy involved in WoW dungeons...why?  you ask....because it can't.

(as an aside, Ill admit that WoW is terribly easy....Im talking more about vanilla wow raids/dungeons and throw in Ulduar for fun.

This is just the obvious example.  The fact that you are so blind to the MASSIVE differences GW2 has from WoW is proof enough that you are 1 of 2 things.  

The first is that you are so close minded by your negative bias that you can't see the incredibly obvious differences between these two MMO's.  This could be that you have such an unhealthy hatred for this game, for whatever reason, that you have to openly demean it to being a copycat of what is already popular.  This why no matter what you say, your going to forever be close minded to GW2's potential and are going to continue to unjustly hate on it no matter how embaressingly ignorant you sound.

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And yes I read your post after this one attempting to justify this bold and ignorant statement, and it was just as silly.

Originally posted by slicknslim88

Too late.

We all know why he does it. To be able to say "I've a 80 in the game, so now I'm entitled to say the game sucks". What's sad is that he feels the need to go on such a crusade, playing a game he obviously dislikes, just to be able to post "told you so" on the forum of a game he hates to flex "ePeen" to people he doesn't even know.

Now if he was paid to do that, I'd eventually understand. But just to be "right" (in his own mind) on a gaming forum... it's really, really very sad. Not to mention that he implicitely admitted that until now, he was bashing the game (with a load of posts every day, mind you) without playing it... I thought this was against the forum rules.

But whatever.

The irony on these last pages is thick. Here you have a guy who admits he doen't like GW2, and who has been accused of having a closed mind. He then takes up the challenge and offers to keep an open mind by playing the game from start to finish but his gesture is rejected. He's not even given the benefit of the doubt even just enough to accept the possibility that he could change his mind. If GW2 is the great game it's made out to be, then this is reasonably plauseable is it not?

Let me ask, who are the one's showing the closed mind here?

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

The irony on these last pages is thick. Here you have a guy who admits he doen't like GW2, and who has been accused of having a closed mind. He then takes up the challenge and offers to keep an open mind by playing the game from start to finish but his gesture is rejected. He's not even given the benefit of the doubt even just enough to accept the possibility that he could change his mind. If GW2 is the great game it's made out to be, then this is reasonably plauseable is it not?

Let me ask, who are the one's showing the closed mind here?

+1

I have realised over the weeks that irony is something these GW2 defenders are completely oblivious to.

Originally posted by slicknslim88

Originally posted by Randayn

Originally posted by fundayz

Originally posted by ZigZags

The game is WoW without the difficulty and sense of achievement. That's why. Like i've said 10000 times before. Its a theme park released in an age where there are already better theme parks...

 GW2 is like the Knotts Berry Farms of MMOs. It sucks and Id rather just go to Disneyland.

You forgot the part where GW2 plays nothing like WoW or other WoW-clones. Seriously, have you even played the game?

you GW2 fanatics have got to stop kidding yourselves....GW2 plays just like WOW until you get in a dungeon...then it plays like WoW but without the great strategy involved in WoW dungeons...why?  you ask....because it can't.

(as an aside, Ill admit that WoW is terribly easy....Im talking more about vanilla wow raids/dungeons and throw in Ulduar for fun.

This is just the obvious example.  The fact that you are so blind to the MASSIVE differences GW2 has from WoW is proof enough that you are 1 of 2 things.  

The first is that you are so close minded by your negative bias that you can't see the incredibly obvious differences between these two MMO's.  This could be that you have such an unhealthy hatred for this game, for whatever reason, that you have to openly demean it to being a copycat of what is already popular.  This why no matter what you say, your going to forever be close minded to GW2's potential and are going to continue to unjustly hate on it no matter how embaressingly ignorant you sound.

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And yes I read your post after this one attempting to justify this bold and ignorant statement, and it was just as silly.

What massive differences? Both games belong under the sub-genre of ThemePark. Sure there are differences in the way you get and do quests and the combat is hybrid TAB target where as in WoW is full TAB targetted but fundamentally the two games are the same. I.e. linear, casual, class and quest based with PvP as a sideshow.

As for not being able to be unique in ThemePark games, that is nonsense. That is just another similarity between the two games and just a way for devs to make it easier to balance the two games. In GW 2, for any one class, every character can have every single activable skill and the only differences comes from the passive traits.

But that is nothing inherent for ThemeParks, it is just that it makes it easier for devs to balance as they have less variables to worry about. 

In GW 2 this could be easy to amend by having a larger skill pool, like in GW 2, and from that a great variety of combinations would arise.

i wouldnt call them massive differences but there are welcome differences

- the elimination of a quest log to maintain,  no need to delete out leveled quests or make room for new quests

- the elimination of quest turnins  (w exception of personal story)

- players in PVE are not in competition w you while mob killing or node harvesting

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Originally posted by slicknslim88

Too late.

We all know why he does it. To be able to say "I've a 80 in the game, so now I'm entitled to say the game sucks". What's sad is that he feels the need to go on such a crusade, playing a game he obviously dislikes, just to be able to post "told you so" on the forum of a game he hates to flex "ePeen" to people he doesn't even know.

Now if he was paid to do that, I'd eventually understand. But just to be "right" (in his own mind) on a gaming forum... it's really, really very sad. Not to mention that he implicitely admitted that until now, he was bashing the game (with a load of posts every day, mind you) without playing it... I thought this was against the forum rules.

But whatever.

thanks for keeping up....Ive clocked in over 100 hours of gametime prior to this "experiment"....

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

The irony on these last pages is thick. Here you have a guy who admits he doen't like GW2, and who has been accused of having a closed mind. He then takes up the challenge and offers to keep an open mind by playing the game from start to finish but his gesture is rejected. He's not even given the benefit of the doubt even just enough to accept the possibility that he could change his mind. If GW2 is the great game it's made out to be, then this is reasonably plauseable is it not?

Let me ask, who are the one's showing the closed mind here?

thanks!  I think it's an honest attempt to see what the vocal GW2 fans are seeing....nothing more....nobody that blindly hates something would ever decide to do this.

Originally posted by halflife25

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

The irony on these last pages is thick. Here you have a guy who admits he doen't like GW2, and who has been accused of having a closed mind. He then takes up the challenge and offers to keep an open mind by playing the game from start to finish but his gesture is rejected. He's not even given the benefit of the doubt even just enough to accept the possibility that he could change his mind. If GW2 is the great game it's made out to be, then this is reasonably plauseable is it not?

Let me ask, who are the one's showing the closed mind here?

+1

I have realised over the weeks that irony is something these GW2 defenders are completely oblivious to.

This. Both of them. I have never seen such undying loyalty to a game. No matter what is presented to them, they come up with something to the contrary. Look at what was said about SWTOR. They would post the xfire numbers daily and tout them as the end of the game and say how relevant they were. When the same is done with the GW2 numbers, since they have dropped even faster than SWTOR, they now say they are irrelevant. I don't think GW2 is a bad game, but I realize it has some serious flaws. I enjoy playing it, but it is more of an actiony console game than an MMO or a RPG.

Originally posted by halflife25

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

The irony on these last pages is thick. Here you have a guy who admits he doen't like GW2, and who has been accused of having a closed mind. He then takes up the challenge and offers to keep an open mind by playing the game from start to finish but his gesture is rejected. He's not even given the benefit of the doubt even just enough to accept the possibility that he could change his mind. If GW2 is the great game it's made out to be, then this is reasonably plauseable is it not?

Let me ask, who are the one's showing the closed mind here?

+1

I have realised over the weeks that irony is something these GW2 defenders are completely oblivious to.

It is also very ironic since the same person was arguing absolute statements about some mechanics without trying the mechanics in the game.

So he will either have a change of heart and then admit he was wrong (which isn't easy even in friendly environments and internet forums are from it) or he will say he was right from the start and people will say he just went to justify his pre conceived opinion.

But more important than him changing or not his opinion is the fact we are arguing about opinions and personal tastes.

I knew I would like GW2 - I enjoyed GW1 and the path Anet followed pretty much was in line with my view of things that should be changed (note, I don't agree with everything and think GW2 can have many of its systems improved, expendaded or even changed).

And then people see what they want to see.

One of the complains I read about GW2 is that the classes are all the same since they don't have a distint group role, they are all hybrid DPS/Support.

But it is the same people that have no problem in having a Warrior DPS, a Mage, a Warlock, a Rogue, a DPS DK or a warrior tank, a paladin tank, a druid tank.

I mean, Mage and Warlocks are magic DPS, if the type of skills they use make them feel unique it is a double standard saying GW2 classes aren't unique due to different skill usage.

Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

Originally posted by halflife25

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

The irony on these last pages is thick. Here you have a guy who admits he doen't like GW2, and who has been accused of having a closed mind. He then takes up the challenge and offers to keep an open mind by playing the game from start to finish but his gesture is rejected. He's not even given the benefit of the doubt even just enough to accept the possibility that he could change his mind. If GW2 is the great game it's made out to be, then this is reasonably plauseable is it not?

Let me ask, who are the one's showing the closed mind here?

+1

I have realised over the weeks that irony is something these GW2 defenders are completely oblivious to.

It is also very ironic since the same person was arguing absolute statements about some mechanics without trying the mechanics in the game.

So he will either have a change of heart and then admit he was wrong (which isn't easy even in friendly environments and internet forums are from it) or he will say he was right from the start and people will say he just went to justify his pre conceived opinion.

But more important than him changing or not his opinion is the fact we are arguing about opinions and personal tastes.

I knew I would like GW2 - I enjoyed GW1 and the path Anet followed pretty much was in line with my view of things that should be changed (note, I don't agree with everything and think GW2 can have many of its systems improved, expendaded or even changed).

And then people see what they want to see.

One of the complains I read about GW2 is that the classes are all the same since they don't have a distint group role, they are all hybrid DPS/Support.

But it is the same people that have no problem in having a Warrior DPS, a Mage, a Warlock, a Rogue, a DPS DK or a warrior tank, a paladin tank, a druid tank.

I mean, Mage and Warlocks are magic DPS, if the type of skills they use make them feel unique it is a double standard saying GW2 classes aren't unique due to different skill usage.

It's not so hard to admit you are wrong.

Prior to GW2 release, I was an adamant anti-Cash Shop hater and I was convinced GW2 was going to release with a WTF surprise cash shop reveal that was going to piss off tons of players. I was 100% convinced. I was 100% wrong. 

I'm still an adamant anti cash shop nay sayer, but GW2's is not P2W and I was surprised but not above admitting that.

Its true there are a ton of GW2 fans and a lot of fanboism regarding this game. To be fair it isn't completely the GW2 communities fault. There are a ton of trolls and troll threads out there that at this point everyone is just annoyed. However having said that you cannot fault people for not agreeing because they are biased, tis the way of the world.

Edit: Sorry if this is OT, if it helps I got the same feeling you did OP at like 2 am as well, I logged in and was like....hmmm another chain of DE's with random people. I wonder how MOP is right now rofl.