Vanilla Wow was a great community. NOW, wow's community sucks.

GW2 community can't be a bad community because it is a single player game and does not promote group play.  But the GW2 commuinity on these forums think they are elite and overhype the game..... which is baaaad.

GW2 fans by far.

If you criticize anything they start yelling bloody murder in blind zealot defense.

Originally posted by Icewhite

Originally posted by Lienhart

Mine: Dark Age of Camelot

SWG.  

Post-mortem canonization still an ongoing daily process; much revisionist history too.

(Watch the CoH fans; the next martyrs)

I have to agree with that. And I saw posts recently praising the matrix online. Both these games were awful. The only thing that I liked about SWG was the crafting. But for the most part it was pretty a pretty dull an empty game. The matrix was just a shoddy attempt to cash in on an IP that would of been perfect for MMOs.

However I'm slightly guillty of looking at the past with these rose tinted specs myself when it comes to the original Everquest, although it still around. Up until recently I forgot how boring and furstrating it was at times particularly when it came to trying to orginize a large scale raid. Healer and tanks getting DCed at the world possible time and waiting for almost an hour to fetch a replacement which by the time the raid would start to disintegrate. Then there was always some idiot that stepped to far and pulls a mob almost wiping out the whole raid.

Originally posted by Arakazi

Originally posted by Icewhite

Originally posted by Lienhart

Mine: Dark Age of Camelot

SWG.  

Post-mortem canonization still an ongoing daily process; much revisionist history too.

(Watch the CoH fans; the next martyrs)

I have to agree with that. And I saw posts recently praising the matrix online. Both these games were awful. The only thing that I liked about SWG was the crafting. But for the most part it was pretty a pretty dull an empty game. The matrix was just a shoddy attempt to cash in on an IP that would of been perfect for MMOs.

 

However I'm slightly guillty of looking at the past with these rose tinted specs myself when it comes to the original Everquest, although it still around. Up until recently I forgot how boring and furstrating it was at times particularly when it came to trying to orginize a large scale raid. Healer and tanks getting DCed at the world possible time and waiting for almost an hour to fetch a replacement which by the time the raid would start to disintegrate. Then there was always some idiot that stepped to far and pulls a mob almost wiping out the whole raid.

Final Fantasy XI was based on Everquest. I don't know what the hell was wrong with me back then. Setup was usually 30 minutes for a normal party, then you have to get to the damn place, eat some food, find a camp spot, and hope noone decides to leave.

WTF WAS WRONG WITH US?!

Originally posted by Starpower

I'm sorry I'm not that irrational

 

Hating something because a certain group of people likes it, is just that. Irrational not to mention stupid

So it would be irrational to hate bigotry because you witnessed a bunch of KKK members being bigots?  explain to me how thats irrational, and stupid, as you say.

Originally posted by Foomerang

 

I was giving an example of what i meant by over zealous. That makes me over zealous now? Haha. Well, i apologize if anyone took personal offense . Figured this was a pretty silly thread so i made a silly post. But there are people on these forums who act that way, and i do find those types of posts funny. Saying so makes me one of them? Thats a new one hehe.

It does somewhat by intent or not.

Any parody of another can be seen as something done at the expense of the originating party. Even if I agree with you that it's humorous, it's considered mocking to parody such a person in what essentially amounts to public.

Saying so in that manner makes you derisive, not necessarily a fanatic or zealous. Just makes you appear to have less social control than you might actually have.

Granted this is the internet and most people seem to take that to mean they don't need any social conduct.

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Originally posted by Deivos

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Originally posted by Foomerang   I was giving an example of what i meant by over zealous. That makes me over zealous now? Haha. Well, i apologize if anyone took personal offense . Figured this was a pretty silly thread so i made a silly post. But there are people on these forums who act that way, and i do find those types of posts funny. Saying so makes me one of them? Thats a new one hehe.

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It does somewhat by intent or not.

Any parody of another can be seen as something done at the expense of the originating party. Even if I agree with you that it's humorous, it's considered mocking to parody such a person in what essentially amounts to public.

Saying so in that manner makes you derisive, not necessarily a fanatic or zealous. Just makes you appear to have less social control than you might actually have.

 

Granted this is the internet and most people seem to take that to mean they don't need any social conduct.

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I have no reason to dislike a game because of its fans, some MMOs have indeed bad communities but I never like or dislike something based on the opinion of others.

Sometimes these communities are relatively bad "ingame" sometimes just inside forums. Star Wars Galaxies fans and The Secret World fans are terrible here on MMORPG but "ingame" they are/were not bad at all!

Trolling and empty overly negative arguments are somehow expected from SWG fans that didn't move on, but it is funny how so many TSW fans are negatively obsessed with Guild Wars 2, SWTOR  and any other more successful game here on MMORPG.com, but at the same time they are very, very defensive. I don't remember if the same happened with Age of Conan.

"Ingame" I had terrible experiences with Lineage 2, Aion and World of Warcraft communities, but I had GREAT experiences with Everquest 2, Vanguard and Guild Wars 2 communities.

So, "inforum" Star Wars Galaxies and The Secret World fans are terrible and obsessive, but I have absolutely nothing against those games and their "ingame" communities.

"Ingame" communities of Lineage 2, WoW and Aion were very problematic for me.

Typically the carebears of any MMORPG, who fail to see any other sides to MMORPG gaming, and everything else than their safe PvE questing experience is bad.

Originally posted by JackFrosty

GW2 fans by far.

If you criticize anything they start yelling bloody murder in blind zealot defense.

Sorry, but I find this hilarious coming from someone who out of 27 posts, 20 of them are trolling GW2 threads. You spend the majority of your time on this forum doing nothing but hating on GW2. Talk about zealotry.

Meanwhile, you praise Rift and Trion with complete adoration and fanboism, repeating the same mantra in your posts about them:

"RIFT is the best MMO I have ever played, and I've tried a lot of them. TRION pushes out content so fast you literally never have time to be bored, and it's QUALITY content. Absolutely amazing stuff.

The amount of stuff they are bringing out in their expansion is more content then most games LAUNCH with. They are tripling the world size just for starters.

Absolutely amazing game and the first 20 levels are free so why not give it a shot :)  The only thing you'll miss is Panda's or wandering around maps being bored collecting pies for Centaurs."

and

"RIFT is the first mmo where they release content so fast (and good) that I literally haven't had time to get bored in a year straight of playing :)

This xpac looks like the next year of my life is another write-off :D lol"

Originally posted by kaiser3282

Originally posted by JackFrosty

GW2 fans by far.

If you criticize anything they start yelling bloody murder in blind zealot defense.

Sorry, but I find this hilarious coming from someone who out of 27 posts, 20 of them are trolling GW2 threads. You spend the majority of your time on this forum doing nothing but hating on GW2. Talk about zealotry.

Meanwhile, you praise Rift and Trion with complete adoration and fanboism:

"RIFT is the best MMO I have ever played, and I've tried a lot of them. TRION pushes out content so fast you literally never have time to be bored, and it's QUALITY content. Absolutely amazing stuff.

The amount of stuff they are bringing out in their expansion is more content then most games LAUNCH with. They are tripling the world size just for starters.

Absolutely amazing game and the first 20 levels are free so why not give it a shot :)  The only thing you'll miss is Panda's or wandering around maps being bored collecting pies for Centaurs."

Given the insane "GW2 is the second coming of the Messiah" spam that you GW2 fanbois provide, if I choose any random 30 posts I am pretty sure than more than 20 are going to be on the GW2 section. Your point is invalid. You don't have to look for the GW2 posts. They are literally flooding the whole site.

The proof of GW2's insane and out of proportion fanboism is you checking 27 posts of a guy just to be able to use the old "according to your post history" argument (which in this case actually proves absolutely nothing given the circumstances I mentioned).

So unsurprising that many posts name gw2. I think gw2 fanatics on this site had a big role to play here.

ingame however, I only had positive experience with players in gw2. Mostly mature, friendly and helpful. At least that's how it is on Sea Of Sorrow server :P.

Originally posted by Myria

Originally posted by AdamTM

EVE, and everything around EVE.

Even the developers are unbearable.

I was kind of stunned to see that even the CCP devs troll their own forum, let alone the players.

I'm always kind of bemused to see WoW come up on everyone's "worst community" list. Compared to AoC -- pretty much the worst in-game community I've ever seen -- and Eve -- easily the worst forum community I've watched, and not a ton better in-game -- there's just no comparison. Can't say as I 'hate' either game, in AoC I got a PoM to 80 before getting bored, had a decent enough time doing it, and I play Eve for a month or so a few times a year just to remind myself of why I don't play it regularly, but they're both games where avoiding the 'community' and forum is best for one's sanity.

Not that I haven't seen better than WoW as well -- Fallen Earth had a really nice community (outside of the forums, which were always dominated by "forum DT" stupidity, even before 'DT' was added to the game), when it still had enough players for there to be anything one could call a community, for instance, and WAR, shockingly for a PvP-focused game, had a great community when I played it -- but it's so far from being the worst that I have to wonder if people who think it is have played very many MMOs. Or, for that matter, know anything about WoW other than it's "cool" to rag on it.

Uh-hu. That depends upon what we talk about here.

Ingame, the community of AoC and EVE might be awful, but thats nothing a person who doesnt play the game will ever mention. In the same way, AoC and EVE forums might be awful, but since I dont visit those, I dont mention that either.

WoW fans however, back in the days, have been so full of themselves that they kept posting on general boards how superior their game is.

For example, I dont remember any AoC or Aion fan ever claiming that everything their MMO does, was invented by the respective company.

To my best knowledge, WoW invented nothing relevant - all original WoW inventions I know about are either purely cosmetic or downright a bad idea - and yet fans kept claiming that pretty much any element they found in WoW was invented by Blizzard.

Originally posted by gordiflu

Originally posted by kaiser3282

Originally posted by JackFrosty

GW2 fans by far.

If you criticize anything they start yelling bloody murder in blind zealot defense.

Sorry, but I find this hilarious coming from someone who out of 27 posts, 20 of them are trolling GW2 threads. You spend the majority of your time on this forum doing nothing but hating on GW2. Talk about zealotry.

Meanwhile, you praise Rift and Trion with complete adoration and fanboism:

"RIFT is the best MMO I have ever played, and I've tried a lot of them. TRION pushes out content so fast you literally never have time to be bored, and it's QUALITY content. Absolutely amazing stuff.

The amount of stuff they are bringing out in their expansion is more content then most games LAUNCH with. They are tripling the world size just for starters.

Absolutely amazing game and the first 20 levels are free so why not give it a shot :)  The only thing you'll miss is Panda's or wandering around maps being bored collecting pies for Centaurs."

Given the insane "GW2 is the second coming of the Messiah" spam that you GW2 fanbois provide, if I choose any random 30 posts I am pretty sure than more than 20 are going to be on the GW2 section. Your point is invalid. You don't have to look for the GW2 posts. They are literally flooding the whole site.

The proof of GW2's insane and out of proportion fanboism is you checking 27 posts of a guy just to be able to use the old "according to your post history" argument (which in this case actually proves absolutely nothing given the circumstances I mentioned).

 

 

I havent played GW2 in about 2 weeks. I also dont claim it to be some sort of savior to MMOs, etc. I even voted on a currently going poll (regarding best game since 2005) that GW2 is NOT the best one. God Im, such a hardcore fanboi.

Pointing out someones clear bias and hatred of a game (when anytime you see someone post, they say pretty much the exact same thing) does not make someone a fanboi of that game. Just calling it as I see it.

Try harder please.

Originally posted by kaiser3282

I havent played GW2 in about 2 weeks. I also dont claim it to be some sort of savior to MMOs, etc. I even voted on a currently going poll (regarding best game since 2005) that GW2 is NOT the best one. God Im, such a hardcore fanboi.

...

You EVEN ?

Hu.

Originally posted by Neherun

Typically the carebears of any MMORPG, who fail to see any other sides to MMORPG gaming, and everything else than their safe PvE questing experience is bad.

 

As a "PVE" carebear, I have to say this finally.

I am sick of all those "PVP hardcore" macho macho men, and I ll tell you why.

PVP in MMOs require virtually no skill whatsoever. 99% of the times the outcome of a fight is decided by these two factors:

1) Bigger zerg wins.

2) Higher gearscore wins.

And this is it, period. The more time invested grinding the better your gear the higher your chance to win. This has NOTHING to do with skill. Talk about skill in games like Starcraft, CoD or similar, but MMOs? Cut that crap, really.

I know many PVE players that are way way way more hardcore than all those PVP wannabes asking for full loot open world PVP so they can gank lowbyes and sneak out whenever a fair match comes up.

Originally posted by gordiflu

Originally posted by Neherun

Typically the carebears of any MMORPG, who fail to see any other sides to MMORPG gaming, and everything else than their safe PvE questing experience is bad.

 

As a "PVE" carebear, I have to say this finally.

I am sick of all those "PVP hardcore" macho macho men, and I ll tell you why.

 

PVP in MMOs require virtually no skill whatsoever. 99% of the times the outcome of a fight is decided by these two factors:

1) Bigger zerg wins.

2) Higher gearscore wins.

 

And this is it, period. The more time invested grinding the better your gear the higher your chance to win. This has NOTHING to do with skill. Talk about skill in games like Starcraft, CoD or similar, but MMOs? Cut that crap, really.

I know many PVE players that are way way way more hardcore than all those PVP wannabes asking for full loot open world PVP so they can gank lowbyes and sneak out whenever a fair match comes up.

I agree that in many MMOs, gear > skill. But I also consider games that allow players to completely crutch on gear complete trash and usually avoid them.

But even in those types of games, when you're talking "endgame" PvP, where everyone is maxed out and in top end gear, skill wins. Obviously ganking someone half your level in crap gear doesnt take skill. But the PvErs act like thats the only thing that ever happens in PvP and nobody ever in the history of PvP has fought people they were equal to. The PvPers are usually talking about competing vs people on the same level as them.

Originally posted by Deivos

Originally posted by Foomerang

 

I was giving an example of what i meant by over zealous. That makes me over zealous now? Haha. Well, i apologize if anyone took personal offense . Figured this was a pretty silly thread so i made a silly post. But there are people on these forums who act that way, and i do find those types of posts funny. Saying so makes me one of them? Thats a new one hehe.

It does somewhat by intent or not.

Any parody of another can be seen as something done at the expense of the originating party. Even if I agree with you that it's humorous, it's considered mocking to parody such a person in what essentially amounts to public.

Saying so in that manner makes you derisive, not necessarily a fanatic or zealous. Just makes you appear to have less social control than you might actually have.

 

Granted this is the internet and most people seem to take that to mean they don't need any social conduct.

So you don't find any qualities in Satire? the people that satirise are just as bad as the people they parody? 

Originally posted by kaiser3282

Originally posted by gordiflu

Originally posted by Neherun

Typically the carebears of any MMORPG, who fail to see any other sides to MMORPG gaming, and everything else than their safe PvE questing experience is bad.

 

As a "PVE" carebear, I have to say this finally.

I am sick of all those "PVP hardcore" macho macho men, and I ll tell you why.

 

PVP in MMOs require virtually no skill whatsoever. 99% of the times the outcome of a fight is decided by these two factors:

1) Bigger zerg wins.

2) Higher gearscore wins.

 

And this is it, period. The more time invested grinding the better your gear the higher your chance to win. This has NOTHING to do with skill. Talk about skill in games like Starcraft, CoD or similar, but MMOs? Cut that crap, really.

I know many PVE players that are way way way more hardcore than all those PVP wannabes asking for full loot open world PVP so they can gank lowbyes and sneak out whenever a fair match comes up.

I agree that in many MMOs, gear > skill. But I also consider games that allow players to completely crutch on gear complete trash and usually avoid them.

But even in those types of games, when you're talking "endgame" PvP, where everyone is maxed out and in top end gear, skill wins. Obviously ganking someone half your level in crap gear doesnt take skill. But the PvErs act like thats the only thing that ever happens in PvP and nobody ever in the history of PvP has fought people they were equal to. The PvPers are usually talking about competing vs people on the same level as them.

In High-end PVP, most of the times it's all about the current FOTM build, and you see all those "hardcore" PVPers rolling new classes on every patch, according to what has been nerfed and what boosted.

Answering the highlighted part, I do tons of PVP, in other types of games, and I am always fighting oponents that are on an even ground. What you mention is what happens in MMOs, and the reason for MMO PVPing having almost nothing to do with skill.

Originally posted by kaiser3282

Originally posted by JackFrosty

GW2 fans by far.

If you criticize anything they start yelling bloody murder in blind zealot defense.

Sorry, but I find this hilarious coming from someone who out of 27 posts, 20 of them are trolling GW2 threads. You spend the majority of your time on this forum doing nothing but hating on GW2. Talk about zealotry.

Meanwhile, you praise Rift and Trion with complete adoration and fanboism, repeating the same mantra in your posts about them:

"RIFT is the best MMO I have ever played, and I've tried a lot of them. TRION pushes out content so fast you literally never have time to be bored, and it's QUALITY content. Absolutely amazing stuff.

The amount of stuff they are bringing out in their expansion is more content then most games LAUNCH with. They are tripling the world size just for starters.

Absolutely amazing game and the first 20 levels are free so why not give it a shot :)  The only thing you'll miss is Panda's or wandering around maps being bored collecting pies for Centaurs."

and

"RIFT is the first mmo where they release content so fast (and good) that I literally haven't had time to get bored in a year straight of playing :)

This xpac looks like the next year of my life is another write-off :D lol"

Again proving why GW2 fans are top of the insufferable list.