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  rungard

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The Sandbox Foundation does not exist!

 
OP  10/14/12 8:08:25 AM#1

I was thinking that in truth, DAOC was and still is the best rvr system that has ever existed. After a little reading i see that the TESO rvr system is really the daoc system with darkness falls as the main city. Ive also been reading on their combat model, and it is actually sounding really good to me.

So im going to look at this one as daoc 2 and not an elder scrolls game and give it another shot.

Whether they live up to it is another matter of course but time will tell.

 i will add though that if i see this game pull anything like the TOA expansion for DAOC and make raiding a requirement for the best gear, i will drop this game like a stone.

  ShakyMo

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10/14/12 8:27:00 AM#2
When they first talked about it it sounded like daoc meets skyrim.

But since then, pressure from publishers or whatever, they've starred talking about instanced shite - pvp mini games, raids, instanced dungeons etc..

Instancing is neither daoc or tes. So I will hold judgement until later.

Wish they had the balls to go the no instancing whatsoever route, it would give the game something unique.

Also wish they'd gone no classes and took an eve like approach to character development
  GreenishBlue

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10/14/12 8:31:28 AM#3
I won't give it a second look until I see what's the real deal. Gameplay or it didn't happen.

  kaiser3282

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10/14/12 8:38:30 AM#4

Ive been doing the same as well.

My initial response was like many others: "Where the hell is my Skyrim Online?"

It definitely is not that, which is dissappointing. But that doesnt have to mean the game itself is bad for what it is. Some of the things they have talked about, like the RvR and a few other features sound very good. Other features not so much. Im kind of in the middle on it, but I am willing to at least give it a shot and not go in expecting "Skyrim Online" and try to enjoy what it does offer.

It seems to be going with a mix of GW2 combat & mechanics comdined with DAOC stuff. Both games I enjoyed a lot, so it could turn out quite impressive.

  User Deleted
10/15/12 4:21:04 PM#5
Originally posted by rungard

I was thinking that in truth, DAOC was and still is the best rvr system that has ever existed. After a little reading i see that the TESO rvr system is really the daoc system with darkness falls as the main city. Ive also been reading on their combat model, and it is actually sounding really good to me.

So im going to look at this one as daoc 2 and not an elder scrolls game and give it another shot.

Whether they live up to it is another matter of course but time will tell.

 i will add though that if i see this game pull anything like the TOA expansion for DAOC and make raiding a requirement for the best gear, i will drop this game like a stone.

Something I have been advocating people to do for the last few months.  I too was hugely and vocally upset at the announcement of TESO.  Then Zenimax started actually showing content and game systems and I started to see the light for what it was. 

 

As much as I loved Skyrim, and Oblivian (Didn't care much for Morrowind, mainly because I played it on the Xbox) I still didn't like alot of aspects about the game, (and I never modded the game to fix issues, im a purist like that).  TESO on the otherhand contains alot of what I like about the single player TES series, removing most of what I hate and adding it onto the back of what I considere the best PvP system to ever graced the MMO'verse (DAoC's RvR).  For "Me", TESO has everything I love about MMO's and am highly interested in seeing it to fruition.

  IIIcurrier

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Joined: 3/10/05
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10/15/12 4:25:06 PM#6

Bethesda doesn't even know the or acknoledge the lore to The Elder Scrolls, aka they do not care about a game for gamers, they care about a game for the money and populace.

 

Dark elves are no friendly with Good elves, bethseda cannot even understand this. GL With Sh!t game.

  IIIcurrier

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10/15/12 4:27:27 PM#7

Morrowwind, Oblivion and Skyrim are all very very crap and lacking games with out mods, if you enjoy them vanilla for the story sure, but even then there is lack in content and AI.

 

Bethseda makes crap. End of story.

  GwapoJosh

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10/15/12 4:32:30 PM#8
Originally posted by IIIcurrier

Morrowwind, Oblivion and Skyrim are all very very crap and lacking games with out mods, if you enjoy them vanilla for the story sure, but even then there is lack in content and AI.

 

Bethseda makes crap. End of story.

I don't agree with this at all.  I played those three games all the way through before modding them and I loved every minute!

"You are all going to poop yourselves." BillMurphy

  IIIcurrier

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10/15/12 4:37:35 PM#9
Originally posted by GwapoJosh
Originally posted by IIIcurrier

Morrowwind, Oblivion and Skyrim are all very very crap and lacking games with out mods, if you enjoy them vanilla for the story sure, but even then there is lack in content and AI.

 

Bethseda makes crap. End of story.

I don't agree with this at all.  I played those three games all the way through before modding them and I loved every minute!

Crave more content, you are what is wrong with the industry!

  GwapoJosh

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10/15/12 4:40:44 PM#10
Originally posted by IIIcurrier
Originally posted by GwapoJosh
Originally posted by IIIcurrier

Morrowwind, Oblivion and Skyrim are all very very crap and lacking games with out mods, if you enjoy them vanilla for the story sure, but even then there is lack in content and AI.

 

Bethseda makes crap. End of story.

I don't agree with this at all.  I played those three games all the way through before modding them and I loved every minute!

Crave more content, you are what is wrong with the industry!

Lol  Each game has a shitload of content.. Far more than most single player games.

"You are all going to poop yourselves." BillMurphy

  IIIcurrier

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10/15/12 4:53:34 PM#11

Still lacking in general, even the wood chopping one minor thing to the enviroment was unlreastic, and appeasing and lacking in what you could actually do with the wood.

 

I had to mod in cold weather and other weather effects, ect.

 

LACKING. STAMP. LACKING.

  ShakyMo

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10/15/12 5:36:34 PM#12
I really didn't like oblivion at all.
Morrowind was awesome though and skyrim brought back most of the good.
  Bathnor

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Posts: 128

10/16/12 4:48:24 PM#13
I have always thought that a MMO that was set in the TES universe would be cool. Would love one where the world was as large as the original, TES: Arena. The gameplay of Arena/Daggerfall and the grafics of Skyrim. I honestly hope there are no instanced dungeons. I miss real dungeons where you might run into other people. I am not going to get my hopes up though, it sounds more like a WoW/DaoC clone wioth a few TES elements thrown in.
  DavisFlight

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10/16/12 5:18:19 PM#14

Right now the game seems to be DAoC meets WoW.

 

The last game that was DAoC meets WoW was WAR. Yuck.

If they get rid of instances and just make it DAoC 2, I'll play it.

  Vidir

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10/16/12 5:21:55 PM#15
Love the elder scroll games, but will not play this since they are making it pvp game.
  DavisFlight

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10/16/12 5:42:45 PM#16
Originally posted by Vidir
Love the elder scroll games, but will not play this since they are making it pvp game.

You don't have to take part in the PvP, you know.

  ShadowedMare

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10/17/12 12:22:43 AM#17

I think it's worth stepping back and taking another look. I mean we haven't even seen gameplay so how can we judge it so harshly at this point? I know what we've been told isn't the greatest news; faction specific zones, no open world PvP, "unique" combat system, but we should hold off on the judgements. 

I also think a major reason why ZOS hasn't released any new info in a while is due to the poor response it recieved initially. Maybe they're reworking a few things based on how the community reacted earlier this year?

The Shadowed Mare - A Tavern North of Caldera and an Elder Scrolls Online Fansite and Forums.

  Kalstark

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10/17/12 12:34:24 AM#18
how can u all give something a second look wen we barely know anything about the game? fanboys and haters, wow

  User Deleted
10/17/12 12:40:00 AM#19
Originally posted by IIIcurrier

Morrowwind, Oblivion and Skyrim are all very very crap and lacking games with out mods, if you enjoy them vanilla for the story sure, but even then there is lack in content and AI.

 

Bethseda makes crap. End of story.

 

Bethesda makes some really great RPG's.  The kind that pretty much no other company attempts anymore.  They aren't perfect, and certainly not as polished, but they come pretty close to capturing a lot of the magic that made old school table top RPGs so much fun.

If you ever come across a Daggerfall game manual, read the introduction titled "What's the Story?".  Or watch the making-of videos for Oblivion.  Basically, the people working at Bethesda tend to be role-players first, gamers second, and developers last.  It may not always make for most polished games, but it makes for great RP experiences.

  User Deleted
10/17/12 12:42:11 AM#20
Originally posted by IIIcurrier

Bethesda doesn't even know the or acknoledge the lore to The Elder Scrolls, aka they do not care about a game for gamers, they care about a game for the money and populace.

 

Dark elves are no friendly with Good elves, bethseda cannot even understand this. GL With Sh!t game.

Really, that's what makes a game bad for you? Honestly, I know I'm in the wrong place altogether to point this out, but damn, what a nerd.

I can understand breaking immersion with crazy stuff like shamans from outter space (WoW), but if the game is good, I couldn't care less about whatever artistic freedoms they choose to take.

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