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News & Features Discussion  » [General Article] World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria: Review in Progress – Part Two

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10/15/12 4:30:09 AM#61
I am playing Panda as a secondary game at the moment. GW2, for me, was a fun walk in the theme park for a week or two, but after that I moved on. Panda is a good secondary game, because Blizz streamlined everything to the point where the game now has a simplicity to it that means you can casually dip into all the content. Yes, it is like eating a bag of popcorn, junk food that likely isn't that good for you, but as a game there is now a lot of content there, and it is very easy to PvP or raid in it. As a secondary mmo, Panda is good. As a primary mmo the streamlined junk food feel of the game will make you feel sick all to soon I think.

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10/15/12 12:44:23 PM#62
I for one love the talent revamp.. But I think out it should be called something else..

maybe "Specialization +"... All in all its the first expac that have felt so well thought out and comforting.. Bc felt more grindy, LK was too gloomy looking and Cata was a bit too demanding..
This expac strikes a good balance between LK and Cata...

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10/15/12 2:24:03 PM#63
I think the review was spot on !  I detest the new talent tree - there is less individuality than before (same with nerfing the hunter pets and there's less options for choice there).  I think any Pandarian class should have started at 55 as long as you have a level 90 something (or I can pay $25 to change the race, ya, ya).  This is not something wonderful, new and hard to learn - I had a monk in EQ.  Once you know your spells, you're good. Pandaria should have been big enough to do levels 1-90 in or at least go back for level 20, level 30, level 40, etc so you get to go home once in a while.  Will I keep playing - yes, I enjoy the game. 

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10/15/12 5:07:00 PM#64
I suspect the reason for delaying the final review is because it won't get the brilliant score to which WoW is accustomed to getting. The delay is a way of showing respect to a well loved franchise.

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10/18/12 11:30:34 AM#65

I think what you said under the title "The Rough Spots" expresses the main disappointments players like me have about the direction WoW has been taking, and where it's at now.

The sales figures for MoP say that not even 1/3 of the subscriber base I last saw figures for have bought it. If that isn't a wake-up call, I don't know what is. You simply can not continue to dumb-down a game for seasoned veteran players and expect them to remain satisfied. They need more content, and that doesn't mean all they need is hard-core or Heroic level versions of raids.

Have played: Everquest, Asheron's Call, Horizons, Everquest2, World of Warcraft, Lord of the Rings Online, Warhammer, Age of Conan, Darkfall


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10/18/12 11:58:10 AM#66
Left WoW at the beginning of cata due to the a complete lack of solo pve challenge. Have they figured out a way to make solo pve even mildly interesting?
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10/18/12 12:02:53 PM#67
Originally posted by Xiaoki


Originally posted by BillMurphy

Originally posted by Xiaoki   Lastly, I would like to ask, how many buttons do you want? Classes already have around 30 abilities at level 90 to deal with. My Death Knight tank has 10 defensive cooldowns. Yes, thats right, 10! But for some reason this isnt enough? Will having upwards of 50 abilities be enough customization for you? 100? 200? How much customization is too much?
Fair enough sir, we disagree.  I think the old trees had gotten too convoluted.  But I also think this new system is too simplistic. I loved, regardless of how "pointless" some spending of points was, making a choice every level with my talents.  Then it was even more seldom, and now it's few and far between.  


I remember when WoW allowed players to allocate their stats back in beta, a feature that was quickly removed because it was "too easy to ruin your stats".  But that same system was present in the Diablo games and it was heralded as one of its best points.  

For a very long time now, Blizzard has been taking a lot of choice away from character development in favor of balance and accessibility.  I'm not saying that's wrong.  I mean, hell they have over 10 million subscribers.  I'm just saying it's not my cup of tea.  

You ask how much custmization is too much? I'm not sure, for me, there is a limit.  But how little customization is too little (again for me)? This new talent system.

Edit: Oh, and I do see your point about the old trees.  Again, I'm not saying they were "the bestest".  But another poster in this  thread put it well.  You used to have something every level that made your character yours. If you wanted to raid, chances are you had to follow certain "builds".  But for me, I was playing my characters my way, and the simply act of choosing how my character grew every level is gone now.  It's something that I enjoyed, even if it was faulted.  But now, it's just not there.

I'm not trying to prove you wrong, Xiaoki.  I'm just laying out my point of view in hopes that you can understand it even if you disagree.  Because, you know... disagreement is okay.  :)


So, you liked spending the talent points every level even though you knew that most of your decisions were pointless or for talents that were useless?


"you have the illusion of choice"
- George Carlin

I just hope this personal bias doesnt influence the final review. But we'll see.

Illusion of choice is a huge factor and removing any, let me repeat "ANY" sembalance of choice is a big negative.


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10/18/12 12:07:45 PM#68

i played this expansion for about two weeks and have already cancelled my account again. This expansion has beautiful art style and really added a lot of flavor to the game , but with that being said this was nothing more then a money grab to milk its player base even harder and you can see with sales they are losing subs once again. All this expansion boils down to is weak 7 heroics for 463 gear and 3 raids on a raid sch. Hundreds of daily quests and majority of the players I talk to hate them and avoid the bug quests. This expansion offers absolutely nothing to make wow better at all and actually probably hurts it more then helps. The grind to 90 is a chore , same exact phasing long quest chains as lich king and cata and nothing innovative at all. I hate to trump other games here with wow but honestly for being a wow clone Rift is doing it about 1000x better then wow with storm legion and the game in general , to bad its a clone otherwise it would have a larger player base.

This is just personal opinion of course but everyone in the guild im in currently have just about stopped logging in once again and i highly douht this expansion is going to stop the bleeding of subs because blizzard just seems to not get why people are leaving or just dont care one of the two.


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10/19/12 12:40:55 PM#69
I live for the reviews of WoW nowdays. Every next one that comes out and expansion etc makes me glad i left the game years ago and happy to be able to look down on those who still play it. The 6 customizable talents for 80 or so levels sounds brilliant as is Blizzards style to pander to the 6-10age demographic. Not sure about all the complaining on MMORPG's review of this. I dont see alot of content at this point to really write something new about.
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