Originally posted by Randayn

My understanding is that the "pop" culture is a bunch of crowd pleasing, want it easy and soft, commoner mentality people who make up the majority fo the population.

Originally posted by Randayn
They love what "we" (the real MMORPG crowd do

There's that 'real' mmo-er again.  I think we're done here.

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Originally posted by Randayn
no misunderstanding there...I agree with you actually....there is a pop culture in everything...you kind of ignored my actual point as to the MMORPG industry being invade by the "pop culture"....thanks so much for taking the time to absorb my post

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It's hard to read, and terribly written, so it would be very easy to overlook your point...

Take a tip from professionals and place your point in the first sentence or two, and make it legible using a smooth flow of words as opposed to a spew of inner though ramble.

*Oh and your understanding is incorrect as others before me have pointed out.

5/char

Originally posted by Randayn

I can understand how those who live by the "pop" culture code could call me pretentious...you don't see what I see.

I would dare you to turn your t.v.'s, facebook pages, cellphones and other mass media tools off for 1 month and observe the world around you, but I understand that that would be like taking a dying man off life support.

That's a good idea, it would give people a chance to finally finsh reading the Harry Potter books.

I don't see a clear pop culture connection.  If anything, the trend is (was) commercialization of a niche element in computer gaming for mainstream consumption.

Frankly, I think that trend is just about over.  I consider the genre as having peaked in commercialization with the possible exception of MMORPGs for phones / tablets (could very easily happen in the next 2 years).

What's left is a market saturated with games struggling for large scale profitability (more than just paying the bills and keeping the servers on).

MMo's have pop culture references in them yet they themselves are not Pop Culture.

Pop

Originally posted by strangepower

 

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Originally posted by Randayn
no misunderstanding there...I agree with you actually....there is a pop culture in everything...you kind of ignored my actual point as to the MMORPG industry being invade by the "pop culture"....thanks so much for taking the time to absorb my post

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It's hard to read, and terribly written, so it would be very easy to overlook your point...

Take a tip from professionals and place your point in the first sentence or two, and make it legible using a smooth flow of words as opposed to a spew of inner though ramble.

*Oh and your understanding is incorrect as others before me have pointed out.

Is that way so many people were able to reply with a clear understanding?  

Thanks for letting me know my understanding is incorrect without a valid explanation....

Originally posted by XAPGames

I don't see a clear pop culture connection.  If anything, the trend is (was) commercialization of a niche element in computer gaming for mainstream consumption.

 

Injection of "pop culture"....thanks, you explained it better than i did...although you disagree with me??

Originally posted by Johnie-Marz

Originally posted by Randayn

I can understand how those who live by the "pop" culture code could call me pretentious...you don't see what I see.

I would dare you to turn your t.v.'s, facebook pages, cellphones and other mass media tools off for 1 month and observe the world around you, but I understand that that would be like taking a dying man off life support.

That's a good idea, it would give people a chance to finally finsh reading the Harry Potter books.

HAHAHAHAHA!

Currently, Im reading "The Law", just finished a few other books too....but I won't name them because then Ill be accused of spreading my ideals....

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Originally posted by Randayn

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Originally posted by strangepower  

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Originally posted by Randayn no misunderstanding there...I agree with you actually....there is a pop culture in everything...you kind of ignored my actual point as to the MMORPG industry being invade by the "pop culture"....thanks so much for taking the time to absorb my post

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  It's hard to read, and terribly written, so it would be very easy to overlook your point... Take a tip from professionals and place your point in the first sentence or two, and make it legible using a smooth flow of words as opposed to a spew of inner though ramble. *Oh and your understanding is incorrect as others before me have pointed out.

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Is that way so many people were able to reply with a clear understanding?  

Thanks for letting me know my understanding is incorrect without a valid explanation....

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You can cherry pick the replys to you all you want, birds of a feather tend to flock together.

Of course there are "others" who lack an understanding of pop culture on these forums. That's part of the appeal of these forums, people can get artificial ego boosts by having others agree with their skewed point of view.

As you cherry pick my reply to suit your agenda I'll repeat myself; MMO's have pop culture references in them, yet they themselves are not considered pop culture when regarding society as a whole.

PopArt Richard Hamilton

Originally posted by Randayn

Why have we gotten to this (low) level with a genre that seemed to be a world of it's own?  Why did we let such a plague ruin our exhistence...call me a drama queen/king....call me anything you want...the pop culture has invaded...and MMORPG's will never be the same because of it....

from my own gaming experiences,

Vanilla WOW brought pop culture to mmos

using Mr. T and other celebrities marketing the game

many ingame references to pop culture  (moreso than any mmo ive ever played)

http://www.wowwiki.com/List_of_pop_culture_references_in_Warcraft/WoW

Originally posted by strangepower

 

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Originally posted by Randayn

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Originally posted by strangepower  

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Originally posted by Randayn no misunderstanding there...I agree with you actually....there is a pop culture in everything...you kind of ignored my actual point as to the MMORPG industry being invade by the "pop culture"....thanks so much for taking the time to absorb my post

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  It's hard to read, and terribly written, so it would be very easy to overlook your point... Take a tip from professionals and place your point in the first sentence or two, and make it legible using a smooth flow of words as opposed to a spew of inner though ramble. *Oh and your understanding is incorrect as others before me have pointed out.

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Is that way so many people were able to reply with a clear understanding?  

 

Thanks for letting me know my understanding is incorrect without a valid explanation....

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You can cherry pick the replys to you all you want, birds of a feather tend to flock together.

Of course there are "others" who lack an understanding of pop culture on these forums. That's part of the appeal pf these forums, people can get artificial ego boosts by having others agree with their skewed point of view.

Do you seriously want a definition of pop culture?  Although you would probably deny it's very definition if I put it in front of you, but it certainly is what I'm using to make my argument.  Pop culture's main tool is mass media and a drooling pool of listeners.  In order to pull such a large crowd, things must be dumbed down (kinda like political debates).  Have RPG's and MMORPG's not been dumbed down through the years?  Has the media not caught on and bought into it?  Has it not become a commercialized industry?  Then yes, "popular culture, i.e. Pop Culture" has infected the MMORPG genre.

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Originally posted by Randayn

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Originally posted by strangepower  

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Originally posted by Randayn

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Originally posted by strangepower  

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Originally posted by Randayn no misunderstanding there...I agree with you actually....there is a pop culture in everything...you kind of ignored my actual point as to the MMORPG industry being invade by the "pop culture"....thanks so much for taking the time to absorb my post

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  It's hard to read, and terribly written, so it would be very easy to overlook your point... Take a tip from professionals and place your point in the first sentence or two, and make it legible using a smooth flow of words as opposed to a spew of inner though ramble. *Oh and your understanding is incorrect as others before me have pointed out.

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Is that way so many people were able to reply with a clear understanding?     Thanks for letting me know my understanding is incorrect without a valid explanation....

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  You can cherry pick the replys to you all you want, birds of a feather tend to flock together. Of course there are "others" who lack an understanding of pop culture on these forums. That's part of the appeal pf these forums, people can get artificial ego boosts by having others agree with their skewed point of view.

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Do you seriously want a definition of pop culture?  Although you would probably deny it's very definition if I put it in front of you, but it certainly is what I'm using to make my argument.  Pop culture's main tool is mass media and a drooling pool of listeners.  In order to pull such a large crowd, things must be dumbed down (kinda like political debates).  Have RPG's and MMORPG's not been dumbed down through the years?  Has the media not caught on and bought into it?  Has it not become a commercialized industry?  Then yes, "popular culture, i.e. Pop Culture" has infected the MMORPG genre.

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Look lil buddy, I am sure I am aware of what Pop Culture is.

That fact that you make a statement like "Pop culture's main tool" again shows that you skew concepts to fit your subjective agenda. Pop Culture is not an entity that uses tools, it is a concept describing thought and ideas.

Here is a news flash, as soon as a game goes on sale its commercial.

Did you have some sort of idea the games were some cult phenomena?

I'll use your own words against you.

This is how you started this off..."My understanding is that the "pop" culture is a bunch of crowd pleasing, want it easy and soft, commoner mentality people who make up the majority fo the population. "

See your language? "My understanding" translates into "my subjective point of view." Again your understanding is wrong, sorry buddy.

Originally posted by strangepower

 

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Originally posted by Randayn

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Originally posted by strangepower  

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Originally posted by Randayn

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Originally posted by strangepower  

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Originally posted by Randayn no misunderstanding there...I agree with you actually....there is a pop culture in everything...you kind of ignored my actual point as to the MMORPG industry being invade by the "pop culture"....thanks so much for taking the time to absorb my post

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  It's hard to read, and terribly written, so it would be very easy to overlook your point... Take a tip from professionals and place your point in the first sentence or two, and make it legible using a smooth flow of words as opposed to a spew of inner though ramble. *Oh and your understanding is incorrect as others before me have pointed out.

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Is that way so many people were able to reply with a clear understanding?     Thanks for letting me know my understanding is incorrect without a valid explanation....

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  You can cherry pick the replys to you all you want, birds of a feather tend to flock together. Of course there are "others" who lack an understanding of pop culture on these forums. That's part of the appeal pf these forums, people can get artificial ego boosts by having others agree with their skewed point of view.

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Do you seriously want a definition of pop culture?  Although you would probably deny it's very definition if I put it in front of you, but it certainly is what I'm using to make my argument.  Pop culture's main tool is mass media and a drooling pool of listeners.  In order to pull such a large crowd, things must be dumbed down (kinda like political debates).  Have RPG's and MMORPG's not been dumbed down through the years?  Has the media not caught on and bought into it?  Has it not become a commercialized industry?  Then yes, "popular culture, i.e. Pop Culture" has infected the MMORPG genre.

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Look lil buddy, I am sure I am aware of what Pop Culture is.

That fact that you make a statement like "Pop culture's main tool" again shows that you skew concepts to fit your subjective agenda. Pop Culture is not an entity that uses tools, it is a concept describing thought and ideas.

Here is a news flash, as soon as a game goes on sale its commercial.

Did you have some sort of idea the games were some cult phenomena?

This is how you started this off..."My understanding is that the "pop" culture is a bunch of crowd pleasing, want it easy and soft, commoner mentality people who make up the majority fo the population. "

Again your understanding is wrong, sorry buddy.

the pop culture is an idea, yes, but an idea needs tools to come to fruition.  

I like your broad generalizations though.  I remember all the commericals I watched and all the posters everywhere advertising Anarchy Online....oh wait...nevermind, I don't.

You can mix 1 pea in 2 cups of water and call it pea soup, but is it really pea soup?  That's how you are describing commercialization.

Lil buddy "commercialization" doesn't necessarily mean it was on commercials. You accuse me of over generalizing...

Seriously, the more you post the more you reveal you have nothing.

Originally posted by Randayn

It's really funny how if you dont agree with the popular vote, you are deemed to have a personality disorder, when in fact, when you are infected by the pop culture, you have no personality....you simply mirror those around you...so great.

As for the poster that mentioned artsy bands, artists, people that try to divulge from the pop culture...it is done intentionally and is, in effect, a branching out of the pop culture.

Not to get too personal, but Im the lead singer of a band that lashes out against the pop culture, but doesnt do it for publicity, or else we'd be everywhere and no sooner become the pop culture....we do it cuz we really feel that way.  It's disguisting to see so many people imitate the characters portraid on tv...to regurgitate quotes and news they heard on their tv like it's gospel....to know it's affecting MMOPRG's now (which is one of my only safe havens for such things) is a bit disturbing.

Here is one of my lyrics I wrote to describe such a thing:

"Shoot my paste on your face, rub it into your drooling dead cell, tv receptor"....I honestly feel that way....Im not trying to be different...if anything, I'd love to see more people think this way....to think that Im "mad" at the pop culture is crazy....Im just 100% against it and feel its a brainless tyranny taken over through consumerism.

If this is some diatribe about humanity needing to rise above group identification or communal hobbies then it is you who needs to wake up. We are creatures that absolutely rely on such practices to build bonds outside of our own families, allowing us to band together in much larger groups (such as countries) then we would otherwise. There is more to such groups than pastimes, obviously, but the core reason behind pop culture is the same as religion or national pride -- we are far more influenced by the attitudes, likes and dislikes of those we admire, care for and respect than by our own minds. This happens at a quasi-subconscious level and is true for all humans with the possible exceptions of autistics and psychopaths.

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If this is some diatribe about humanity needing to rise above group identification or communal hobbies then it is you who needs to wake up. We are creatures that absolutely rely on such practices to build bonds outside of our own families, allowing us to band together in much larger groups (such as countries) then we would otherwise. There is more to such groups than pastimes, obviously, but the core reason behind pop culture is the same as religion or national pride -- we are far more influenced by the attitudes, likes and dislikes of those we admire, care for and respect than by our own minds. This happens at a quasi-subconscious level and is true for all humans with the possible exceptions of autistics and psychopaths.

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Thank you for putting it so... appropriately.

+3

Did you notice how he projected, someone must of deemed he had a personality disorder by his own words.

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"It's really funny how if you dont agree with the popular vote, you are deemed to have a personality disorder"

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Some one was outed and now their feelings are hurt.

Originally posted by strangepower

Lil buddy "commercialization" doesn't necessarily mean it was on commercials. You accuse me of over generalizing...

Seriously, the more you post the more you reveal you have nothing.

there are actually a few definitions (that vary in a subtle way)...the one I'm pointing out is this:

"to emphasize the profitable aspects of, especially at the expense of quality: to commercialize one's artistic talent."

Ok "lil buddy"?  Now, can you stop trying to talk down to me with your fun words and actually make a case for what your thinking?

Originally posted by strangepower

 

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If this is some diatribe about humanity needing to rise above group identification or communal hobbies then it is you who needs to wake up. We are creatures that absolutely rely on such practices to build bonds outside of our own families, allowing us to band together in much larger groups (such as countries) then we would otherwise. There is more to such groups than pastimes, obviously, but the core reason behind pop culture is the same as religion or national pride -- we are far more influenced by the attitudes, likes and dislikes of those we admire, care for and respect than by our own minds. This happens at a quasi-subconscious level and is true for all humans with the possible exceptions of autistics and psychopaths.

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Thank you for putting it so... appropriately.

+3

Did you notice how he projected, someone must of deemed he had a personality disorder by his own words.

 

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"It's really funny how if you dont agree with the popular vote, you are deemed to have a personality disorder"

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Some one was outed and now their feelings are hurt.

Im so glad there are people here ready to tell me I'm being subjective and then go and use one of the most subjective sciences to prove their point.  

As for "lil buddy", someone in one of the earlier posts actually did accuse me of having a personality disorder.