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  Neo_Liberty

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10/13/12 1:13:00 PM#41
Originally posted by Zylaxx
The only, and let me repeat the ONLY reason why you can kill stuuff like that in melee in Tera is because the mobs telegraph for seconds, and move immensely slower then GW2.  Just look at the GW2CM (GW2 Combat Mode Mod) which basically turns the game into Tera combat and you still cant kill champions like that as a melee because GW2 has an infinetly more complex and robust Monster AI.  SO again GW2 shoots Tera down.

+1

nice.. didn't consider that.. ill take another look.. i realized the mob was slow... didn't realize it telegraphed.

  Nevulus

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10/13/12 1:18:18 PM#42
as a fan of both game i do admit TERA's combat was better, BUT I am having more fun on my GW2 thief than any other mmo I've played in a loooooong time. I do miss TERA's warrior class, such a beautiful fluid class. Strategy, timing, and skill played such an important role in TERA's combat.
  STDB

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10/13/12 1:21:06 PM#43
Originally posted by Yamota

in TERA, if you are good enough, you can pretty much beat anything with a Warrior class.

So TERA is an unbalanced MMO?! That's sad. I'm SICK of games where one of the classes can solo every PvE content... That's very unfair for other classes. In GW2, all the professions can solo the things that can be soloed (not including meta events and dungeons of course). I'm a Warrior, I solo well but squishy Eles and Thieves can solo just like me by kiting and using skills wisely. I saw this Ele kiting a boss like a boss (lol) the other day, did it faster and more effectively than me...

  Redrumickey

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10/13/12 1:24:41 PM#44
I think you all are missing the one point it looked like he was doing a dance with a gaint chicken. It  may or may be a better fight systrem but if it looks like a chicken , fights like a chicken and dances like a chicken thats fall from epic its just you doing the chicken dance.
  austriacus

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10/13/12 1:26:34 PM#45
Originally posted by afhn2110
Originally posted by Amjoco
Originally posted by afhn2110
Anyone that says GW2 combat is better than Tera just hasn't played Tera, or its a person that just needs a tab target as its easier.   That said, Tera is a blast...but the pvp it just bad...no owpvp because everyone hides in safezones smply because there is no reason to go out in the ow...BG's are a joke....was fun, but for pvpers...look elsewhere.

I have played both. Tera system is made for the game world it was designed for and GW2 for its.

The question is what would happend if you took the combat systems and swapped them.  I'm wondering how Tera's combat system would hold up with GW2s AI and the action lock mechanics it uses. Would it be as awesome as the OP has stated?  Would the mobs out-perform the system?

True, but what I'm gong to say some will hate on...but its a fact...if you don't believe me...try it.  In tera...you have to at least have some skill as you have to aim...plan what attack you are going to use as you can't always use the same sequence being that mobs and players will do things to offsent your attacks.

In GW2...(task you to try if you don't  believe me) if you are a ranged class you can close your eyes, press the tab button and spam your nuke cycle, whatever it is you choose.  There's a point that you will get to know that no one can still be alive, esp. if you are a necro...keeping your eyes closed...press tab again...rinse repeat.  You don't believe me...try it...

BS. Try this in cursed shore and you will be eaten alive. Monsters outrun you with swiftness, they pull you, stun you, daze you, inmobilise you, etc. Just walking around the map is a battle in and of itself.

  fenistil

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10/13/12 1:26:56 PM#46
Actually most fun I had in mmorpg combat was with Warden class in Lotro.  It was very specific type of combat controls which I havent' saw in any other game and in any other class in Lotro.  + in tab based games I really like queuing of skills.   Not many mmorpg's have it.  Think GW1 did also?
  Neo_Liberty

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10/13/12 1:27:03 PM#47
Originally posted by Redrumickey
I think you all are missing the one point it looked like he was doing a dance with a gaint chicken. It  may or may be a better fight systrem but if it looks like a chicken , fights like a chicken and dances like a chicken thats fall from epic its just you doing the chicken dance.

+1

Just for the value of my laughter.

  Sovrath

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10/13/12 1:27:46 PM#48
Originally posted by STDB
Originally posted by Yamota

in TERA, if you are good enough, you can pretty much beat anything with a Warrior class.

So TERA is an unbalanced MMO?! That's sad. I'm SICK of games where one of the classes can solo every PvE content...

In Tera, other classes can solo pve content. some are just better than others at it. For instance, in Tera, a warrior is an avoidance tank.

Other classes can do more damage but have to really move out of the way. I play a lancer and I absolutely love fighting BAMS solo. But then that's more about patience.

  Dkompoze

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10/13/12 1:31:57 PM#49
Tera was/is poop, for combat  Vindictus was better,for everything else gw2 is better.
  Neo_Liberty

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10/13/12 1:35:14 PM#50
Originally posted by Dkompoze
Tera was/is poop, for combat  Vindictus was better,for everything else gw2 is better.

why is tera combat poop?

  Draemos

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10/13/12 1:35:46 PM#51
Originally posted by darwa

Anyone else think that by being able to do this by yourself actually makes TERA combat the inferior option?

After all, TERA and GW2 are meant to be MMOs, right?

You're totally right, you should be handcuffed by mechanics and dicerolls or it's not a real MMO!

  Veuve

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10/13/12 1:39:18 PM#52
  Neo_Liberty

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10/13/12 1:39:48 PM#53
Originally posted by Draemos
Originally posted by darwa

Anyone else think that by being able to do this by yourself actually makes TERA combat the inferior option?

After all, TERA and GW2 are meant to be MMOs, right?

You're totally right, you should be handcuffed by mechanics and dicerolls or it's not a real MMO!

I understand that it makes you feel powerful to solo a strong mob, but it should only be accomplishable by those with great skill... and in most mmos there isn't a such thing as having great skill because the combat is so generic and based on stats and not ability.

  TwoThreeFour

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10/13/12 1:44:32 PM#54
Originally posted by Zylaxx
The only, and let me repeat the ONLY reason why you can kill stuuff like that in melee in Tera is because the mobs telegraph for seconds, and move immensely slower then GW2.  Just look at the GW2CM (GW2 Combat Mode Mod) which basically turns the game into Tera combat and you still cant kill champions like that as a melee because GW2 has an infinetly more complex and robust Monster AI.  SO again GW2 shoots Tera down.

 

A major reason why dodge/circle-strafing doesn't work nearly as well in GW2 is because flaws in the mob physics for a large amount of mobs.

 

To quote from http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5024995#5024995:

 

 

From this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR0-S9SQCW4

Look at 0:56-0:58 (yes, it's that short. You will probably have trouble catching it). Holy mother auto-facing Batman! That's like, what, 100+ degrees in a split second? And he attacks right after!? What kind of dodging can you possibly have in a game where a mob auto-faces 100 degrees with an attack??? (instant, no less) When switching targets, to boot? So much for team play or w/e.

(The video has become private since that post, but the point is the ridiculously bad physics that make the monster able to turn to character at a ridiculous speed; not all monsters are affected by this problem though)

 

Problem 5: damage by proximity.

Again, this doesn't seem to be the case for all mobs (not the big ass dude up there), but it did seem to be the case for worms and most other mobs. This is true for most MMORPGs out there but is a bit strange for a twitch MMO. If a mob begins an attack animation, you may get hit on it even if you are, say, to the left of the front of the mob, if you're too close to the mob. Particularly, the worm get-out-of-ground attack seemed to work like this. No matter what I do it hits me. Of course, the worm's reaction to you rolling away is to go underground again. This is honestly one of the more annoying mobs in the game and why would you put that in someone's starting area is beyond me.

What I am trying to say is, it seems most mobs have essentially an AoE (or, at least, cone) melee attack that you can't dodge unless you disengage (leave melee range). The reason this is terrible is because it means a close-range side roll is useless since you remain in melee range and get hit anyway. And if you roll any other way you're too far and by the time you come back they restart the attack animation. Catch-22.

(Which is another example of bad mob physics)

  Neo_Liberty

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10/13/12 1:49:04 PM#55
Originally posted by Veuve

It's quite possible to solo champions in GW2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67ToSaS9xjQ&feature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIrqAv8yO7Q&feature=plcp

seems you are right... but every char can't solo every mob.. a thief couldn't solo the mob in the second video... way too much aggro and not enough stealth/evasion maneuvers to get away.....  plus the ele has a distinct advantage... 4 I COUNT 4 skill bars..... so many aoes and skills to choose from...

  User Deleted
10/13/12 1:51:44 PM#56
Originally posted by afhn2110
Anyone that says GW2 combat is better than Tera just hasn't played Tera, or its a person that just needs a tab target as its easier.   That said, Tera is a blast...but the pvp it just bad...no owpvp because everyone hides in safezones smply because there is no reason to go out in the ow...BG's are a joke....was fun, but for pvpers...look elsewhere.

I played TERA and I think GW2 combat is superior. Also I dont tab target in GW2, and I can kill champs solo on my Mesmer if I want to waste a good 10 minutes or so.

TERA combat is just the same old rotation based combat with added dodging (which is very easy with the predictable mob attacks and animations). GW2 has far more strategic use of less skills, which makes for far more interesting combat. Dodging at the right time will do amazing things in GW2, but it wont save you from damage forever like it can in TERA.

Also I found the classes and combat skills in TERA really boring and uninspired. I did like the races though, and the world was gorgeous.

  User Deleted
10/13/12 1:53:25 PM#57
Originally posted by Neo_Liberty
Originally posted by Veuve

It's quite possible to solo champions in GW2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67ToSaS9xjQ&feature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIrqAv8yO7Q&feature=plcp

seems you are right... but every char can't solo every mob.. a thief couldn't solo the mob in the second video... way too much aggro and not enough stealth/evasion maneuvers to get away.....  plus the ele has a distinct advantage... 4 I COUNT 4 skill bars..... so many aoes and skills to choose from...

Dual gun thief is pretty much the tankiest class for 1 on 1s.

Pop the smoke field and keep applying that blind with your gun shots.

  Neo_Liberty

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10/13/12 1:57:20 PM#58
Originally posted by evilastro
Originally posted by Neo_Liberty
Originally posted by Veuve

It's quite possible to solo champions in GW2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67ToSaS9xjQ&feature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIrqAv8yO7Q&feature=plcp

seems you are right... but every char can't solo every mob.. a thief couldn't solo the mob in the second video... way too much aggro and not enough stealth/evasion maneuvers to get away.....  plus the ele has a distinct advantage... 4 I COUNT 4 skill bars..... so many aoes and skills to choose from...

Dual gun thief is pretty much the tankiest class for 1 on 1s.

Pop the smoke field and keep applying that blind with your gun shots.

U think? i need to make you my buddy.. O wise Yoda.... can i be you padawan? ;)

 

 

Edit: on a serious note though.... when facing a champ that spawns supporters .. would that really do much good? the guns only affect 1 mob.

  Eazydzzz

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10/13/12 2:06:20 PM#59
Originally posted by Neo_Liberty
Originally posted by Dkompoze
Tera was/is poop, for combat  Vindictus was better,for everything else gw2 is better.

why is tera combat poop?

 

Because it's painfully slow and boring, and not actiony at all like they advertised it would be.  Just lok at the video OP posted.  Most tab-targeting mmos are more exciting then Tera.

  Betaguy

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Some folks are like Slinkies, totally useless but great fun to watch when pushed down stairs

10/13/12 2:09:07 PM#60
I don't even need to watch that video to know TERA's combat is better... I played both and made that decision after day  1 of playing both.

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