Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Best MMO in the last 8 years, definitely.

Can't wait for the halloween event.

LMFAO

I really struggle to understand the concept of endgame in GW2. I've seen the list of things to do at 80. I have seen all that stuff everywhere else. OK, that's fine, Therei s a lot of stuff to keep one's self occupied after 80. Mostly it's not so much that there is nothing to do, but there is little reason to do it. That's all subjective so, I really won't argue with anyone who says they are having fun at 80. I get that. But the one thing I just cannot seem to get a grasp on is this map exploration completion. Once I get to 80, I then have to go into a different starter area, I am foced into down leveling and I have to start all over again from scratch. In GW2 it's called "Endgame" In Every other MMO I've ever played, it's called "Leveling an alt"

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

I really struggle to understand the concept of endgame in GW2. I've seen the list of things to do at 80. I have seen all that stuff everywhere else. OK, that's fine, Ther eis a lot of stuff to keep one's self occupied after caping. But the one thing I just cannot seem to get a grasp on is this map exploration completion. Once I get to 80, I then have to go into a different starter area, I am foced into down leveling and I have to start all over again from scratch. In GW2 it's called "Endgame" In Every other MMO I've ever played, it's called "Leveling an alt"

 

If you are leveling an alt, you are not completing the map.

GW1 had titles, etc. for completing maps also, so that's where the idea of it comes from.

And you're not "starting over", you are very powerful in the starter zones, but you don't just one-shot everything.  There is still a bit of a challenge, which I think is a good thing.  One-shotting is incredibly boring and unrealistic (yeah, unrealistic in a MMO, yeah, yeah, yeah). 

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

I really struggle to understand the concept of endgame in GW2. I've seen the list of things to do at 80. I have seen all that stuff everywhere else. OK, that's fine, Ther eis a lot of stuff to keep one's self occupied after caping. But the one thing I just cannot seem to get a grasp on is this map exploration completion. Once I get to 80, I then have to go into a different starter area, I am foced into down leveling and I have to start all over again from scratch. In GW2 it's called "Endgame" In Every other MMO I've ever played, it's called "Leveling an alt"

 

you are not forced to go anywhere unless map completion is one of your goals.. but to me some of the best META events are in the 1-15 zones.. the shadow behemoth is a ton of fun and so are many others.. trying to understand how people don't see how GW2 endgame works.. you are givin options. You can do what you do on most other MMOs run dungeons over and over for sweet gear.. you can PVP to your hearts content or take on any of the crafting professions. Or you can enjoy the entire massive world they created, people who generally don't find this interesting are usually the same who don't enjoy the DE system in general. You have tons of achievements and stuff to work on as well if that's your thing.. you also have tons and tons of story paths you can play through on alts if you enjoy the story and playing multiple characters like I do.

Oh also when downleveling you are MUCH stronger when you greatly outlevel an area.. like said above you aren't one-shotting but you a lot stronger overall.

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

I really struggle to understand the concept of endgame in GW2. I've seen the list of things to do at 80. I have seen all that stuff everywhere else. OK, that's fine, Therei s a lot of stuff to keep one's self occupied after 80. Mostly it's not so much that there is nothing to do, but there is little reason to do it. That's all subjective so, I really won't argue with anyone who says they are having fun at 80. I get that. But the one thing I just cannot seem to get a grasp on is this map exploration completion. Once I get to 80, I then have to go into a different starter area, I am foced into down leveling and I have to start all over again from scratch. In GW2 it's called "Endgame" In Every other MMO I've ever played, it's called "Leveling an alt"

 

70 trait points giving you access to stat buffs and procs, much better consumables with multiple stat buffs, jewelry with multiple stats, runes with multiple stats, all utility & elite skills available, armor pieces (like helmet & shoulders) which dont exist at lower levels, as well as rare / exotic / legendary gear which also dont exist at lower levels (only white and blue at first, then green after awhile).

If you consider that "starting from scratch" then I think youre beyond any help that can be found here. Its not so much like leveling an alt,  its more similar to a system like in DDO with reincarnation (kind of like starting over, but with bonuses that make you stronger), except that youre not stuck in that low level reincarnated form and can jump between low and high level content as you please.

Not sure if youv ever played DDO, but if you have you would know, and others on this site can tell you the same, that just because you hit max level doesnt mean youve reached the end. People continue through multiple reincarnations. Is there a solid endgame? No. Its about enjoying the entire game, not just the last part of the game. Same goes for GW2. Wouldnt you rather have a game that is pretty enjoyable throughout the entire thing regardless of level, instead of  a game that forces you to plow through 90% of the game as quick as possible to get to the last 10% that is supposed to be "good" and "fun"?

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Best MMO in the last 8 years, definitely.

Can't wait for the halloween event.

yep almost didn't vote because i was playing :)

Originally posted by Eir_S
More great poll results for GW2.  Nothing new to see here.

Still you're looking?

Originally posted by kaiser3282

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

I really struggle to understand the concept of endgame in GW2. I've seen the list of things to do at 80. I have seen all that stuff everywhere else. OK, that's fine, Therei s a lot of stuff to keep one's self occupied after 80. Mostly it's not so much that there is nothing to do, but there is little reason to do it. That's all subjective so, I really won't argue with anyone who says they are having fun at 80. I get that. But the one thing I just cannot seem to get a grasp on is this map exploration completion. Once I get to 80, I then have to go into a different starter area, I am foced into down leveling and I have to start all over again from scratch. In GW2 it's called "Endgame" In Every other MMO I've ever played, it's called "Leveling an alt"

 

70 trait points giving you access to stat buffs and procs, much better consumables with multiple stat buffs, jewelry with multiple stats, runes with multiple stats, all utility & elite skills available, armor pieces (like helmet & shoulders) which dont exist at lower levels, as well as rare / exotic / legendary gear which also dont exist at lower levels (only white and blue at first, then green after awhile).

If you consider that "starting from scratch" then I think youre beyond any help that can be found here. Its not so much like leveling an alt,  its more similar to a system like in DDO with reincarnation (kind of like starting over, but with bonuses that make you stronger), except that youre not stuck in that low level reincarnated form and can jump between low and high level content as you please.

Not sure if youv ever played DDO, but if you have you would know, and others on this site can tell you the same, that just because you hit max level doesnt mean youve reached the end. People continue through multiple reincarnations. Is there a solid endgame? No. Its about enjoying the entire game, not just the last part of the game. Same goes for GW2. Wouldnt you rather have a game that is pretty enjoyable throughout the entire thing regardless of level, instead of  a game that forces you to plow through 90% of the game as quick as possible to get to the last 10% that is supposed to be "good" and "fun"?

One's overall power compared to the zone is irrelevant. Go buy a full set of BoA gear in WoW and put max enchants on it and start an alt. It will be the same effect. Yes, I understand that I'm not contributing to my map completion on a single character, but that's only one aspect of it. The main point s that I am still "preogresing" through starter zone content as a low level toon. It's a task, it needs to be done. I'm not even saying it wouldn't be fun. I have always played lots of alts. But I would hardly define it as "endgame"

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by kaiser3282

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

I really struggle to understand the concept of endgame in GW2. I've seen the list of things to do at 80. I have seen all that stuff everywhere else. OK, that's fine, Therei s a lot of stuff to keep one's self occupied after 80. Mostly it's not so much that there is nothing to do, but there is little reason to do it. That's all subjective so, I really won't argue with anyone who says they are having fun at 80. I get that. But the one thing I just cannot seem to get a grasp on is this map exploration completion. Once I get to 80, I then have to go into a different starter area, I am foced into down leveling and I have to start all over again from scratch. In GW2 it's called "Endgame" In Every other MMO I've ever played, it's called "Leveling an alt"

 

70 trait points giving you access to stat buffs and procs, much better consumables with multiple stat buffs, jewelry with multiple stats, runes with multiple stats, all utility & elite skills available, armor pieces (like helmet & shoulders) which dont exist at lower levels, as well as rare / exotic / legendary gear which also dont exist at lower levels (only white and blue at first, then green after awhile).

If you consider that "starting from scratch" then I think youre beyond any help that can be found here. Its not so much like leveling an alt,  its more similar to a system like in DDO with reincarnation (kind of like starting over, but with bonuses that make you stronger), except that youre not stuck in that low level reincarnated form and can jump between low and high level content as you please.

Not sure if youv ever played DDO, but if you have you would know, and others on this site can tell you the same, that just because you hit max level doesnt mean youve reached the end. People continue through multiple reincarnations. Is there a solid endgame? No. Its about enjoying the entire game, not just the last part of the game. Same goes for GW2. Wouldnt you rather have a game that is pretty enjoyable throughout the entire thing regardless of level, instead of  a game that forces you to plow through 90% of the game as quick as possible to get to the last 10% that is supposed to be "good" and "fun"?

One's overall power compared to the zone is irrelevant. Go buy a full set of BoA gear in WoW and put max enchants on it and start an alt. It will be the same effect. Yes, I understand that I'm not contributing to my map completion on a single character, but that's only one aspect of it. The main point s that I am still "preogresing" through starter zone content as a low level toon. It's a task, it needs to be done. I'm not even saying it wouldn't be fun. I have always played lots of alts. But I would hardly define it as "endgame"

I think what Arenanet it trying to do is get people to look past "endgame" and just play the game.  In other words, stop trying to look ahead at what may be to come and just play whatever and however you want to play.

Some people won't see it that way and that's fine.    Personally, though, I'd rather just play.

Originally posted by evolver1972

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by kaiser3282

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

I really struggle to understand the concept of endgame in GW2. I've seen the list of things to do at 80. I have seen all that stuff everywhere else. OK, that's fine, Therei s a lot of stuff to keep one's self occupied after 80. Mostly it's not so much that there is nothing to do, but there is little reason to do it. That's all subjective so, I really won't argue with anyone who says they are having fun at 80. I get that. But the one thing I just cannot seem to get a grasp on is this map exploration completion. Once I get to 80, I then have to go into a different starter area, I am foced into down leveling and I have to start all over again from scratch. In GW2 it's called "Endgame" In Every other MMO I've ever played, it's called "Leveling an alt"

 

70 trait points giving you access to stat buffs and procs, much better consumables with multiple stat buffs, jewelry with multiple stats, runes with multiple stats, all utility & elite skills available, armor pieces (like helmet & shoulders) which dont exist at lower levels, as well as rare / exotic / legendary gear which also dont exist at lower levels (only white and blue at first, then green after awhile).

If you consider that "starting from scratch" then I think youre beyond any help that can be found here. Its not so much like leveling an alt,  its more similar to a system like in DDO with reincarnation (kind of like starting over, but with bonuses that make you stronger), except that youre not stuck in that low level reincarnated form and can jump between low and high level content as you please.

Not sure if youv ever played DDO, but if you have you would know, and others on this site can tell you the same, that just because you hit max level doesnt mean youve reached the end. People continue through multiple reincarnations. Is there a solid endgame? No. Its about enjoying the entire game, not just the last part of the game. Same goes for GW2. Wouldnt you rather have a game that is pretty enjoyable throughout the entire thing regardless of level, instead of  a game that forces you to plow through 90% of the game as quick as possible to get to the last 10% that is supposed to be "good" and "fun"?

One's overall power compared to the zone is irrelevant. Go buy a full set of BoA gear in WoW and put max enchants on it and start an alt. It will be the same effect. Yes, I understand that I'm not contributing to my map completion on a single character, but that's only one aspect of it. The main point s that I am still "preogresing" through starter zone content as a low level toon. It's a task, it needs to be done. I'm not even saying it wouldn't be fun. I have always played lots of alts. But I would hardly define it as "endgame"

I think what Arenanet it trying to do is get people to look past "endgame" and just play the game.  In other words, stop trying to look ahead at what may be to come and just play whatever and however you want to play.

 

Some people won't see it that way and that's fine.    Personally, though, I'd rather just play.

At least that makes sense. OK, then, I'll just say "it is what it is"

Definitely the best MMO I've played in years, but the best game, across all genres?  I'm less inclined to go quite that far...

People expect a destination at the end of a journey. This game does away with that  in the sense that the journey never really ends, the entire game is end game.

Hell asmy time becomes more and more limited, I don't want to be punished for not being able to play as much as I could've and I'm extremely vain so looks matter to me. The fact that the gear treadmill is gone and at 80 the entire game becomes open to me as end game from this point forward is a great idea.

Fans of traditional MMO's, specifically theme parks, just don't like this because they feel they should get more for their time and thats fine but I don't agree with that. Different =/= bad, just because it has horizontalprogresion vs vertical doesn't make it a bad game... just a different game that appeals to a diferent part of MMO players.

To answer the OP; that feeling of this is my new home, that feeling of wonderment of being out in the game world, that urge to explore and ease of entry to just about anything. This is the best MMO i've played in the past 8 years. I can't ever see myself going back to the old formula and vertical stat based progression ever again.

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Originally posted by Torgrim
Well the question is quite blunt.

I will go for number 5.

You?

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there is about 2 negative options and 4 positive ones in that poll...

Originally posted by Nitth

 

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Originally posted by Torgrim
Well the question is quite blunt.

 

I will go for number 5.

You?

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there is about 2 negative options and 4 positive ones in that poll...

You could always make your own poll and skew it with more negative options...

Its probably best what themepark MMO can offer these days. Certanly among best MMOs I played in last 10 years.

Unfortunately , it also part of MMO de-evolution.

Sadly there will not be any movement towards anything better in next 5-6 years. So its the best we can have.

I'll give it a 5/10.

I don't want to go into detail as my post will be mod edited.

I will be a happy camper once everyone moves on from GW2, it doesn't deserve the attention it gets.

Game is ok

The scenery is very nice, they've done good making underwater areas look really nice unlike some mmo's.  There's a flaw to the game though, it can be either good or bad, but a flaw nonetheless.

My brother who was running me around ALL the high level areas to get waypoints etc for exp. That's pretty much the fast track to level up. I didnt mind because the world looks amazing, so we're just running around doing this. He wanted to show me an event where you'll see a dragon land on top of an island crushing the tower building. 

Then I see someone saying, report all unguilded people in the area because they are all bots. I'm like wtf, who's this guy assmuming just because I'm not in a guild means that I'm a bot. So I started talking to them and the were like you're still a bot because you're only level 40 ( I was in a level 60 area). So we started arguing for a bit, but to make a long story short, I got to see the dragon and decided to go on my travels.

I can understand how people get frustrated with botters, but they themselves are being hypocrites when they say botters are there to farm for money when all they do is wait for the botters to fight mobs and tag them then repeat the process. If they are there for a legitimate reason, like questing or collecting crafting materials, I can understand. But when you do the event once or twice you'll end up getting bored and move to a different location. But when you're there following the botters and tagging every mob they tag for loot, you're doing the exact same thing they are.