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  saydur

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Joined: 9/15/05
Posts: 185

 
OP  10/11/12 1:22:39 AM#1

I've come to accept a number of things about MMOs and have really shifted my focus on what I want. So, here's what I'm looking for in a game.

1- Social player base. Much like the old days when you had to rest between some fights, group up for an instance, or just plain leveled better with others, I want something where communicating with other people is common and expected. Being beneficial to the game is a plus but not vital. If I can play the game for three days and not utter a word that doesn't involve trading, I probably don't want that.

2- Amazing soundtrack. Music does a lot to make an MMO and some of the best free MMOs had soundtracks that were worth buying on CD and even remixing. Ragnarok Online, I'm looking at you. Runes of Magic did this well too. However, I'd prefer something that didn't get too excessively theatrical like WoW would at times. Setting a fitting atmosphere is the goal.

3- Weak level tether. Yes, a level 10 character has no business hunting in a level 50 area. The point is more that I don't want some bottleneck at level 25 fighting precisely one monster in an inconvenient area because it is the only thing that yields even halfway decent exp. Meanwhile, if I have a quest or rare drop to find from something lower level, it would be nice to get diminished yet existing exp. It's also nice when rare drops that are useful are not strictly tied to level ranges such that there are items at level 25 that haven't become infinitely obsolete by 35 by every possible measure.

4- Item production outside hunting. Yeah, crafting is always in demand and never done right. This one's really just a bonus. Trickster had drilling which mattered for the longest time, but it ended up becoming a quest mechanism above all else. I'm not quite sure how this can be done right but I'd quite enjoy seeing someone try.

5- Not a PvP ego fest. Seriously. Not doing that. I want a social player base, not a trash talk forum.

So yeah, there you have it. Probably not easy to put those together, but getting #1, 2, and 5 all in one would be impressive on its own. Any thoughts or suggestions?

  Kezzadrix

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Joined: 5/21/10
Posts: 87

10/12/12 9:25:30 AM#2
Originally posted by saydur

I've come to accept a number of things about MMOs and have really shifted my focus on what I want. So, here's what I'm looking for in a game.

1- Social player base. Much like the old days when you had to rest between some fights, group up for an instance, or just plain leveled better with others, I want something where communicating with other people is common and expected. Being beneficial to the game is a plus but not vital. If I can play the game for three days and not utter a word that doesn't involve trading, I probably don't want that.

2- Amazing soundtrack. Music does a lot to make an MMO and some of the best free MMOs had soundtracks that were worth buying on CD and even remixing. Ragnarok Online, I'm looking at you. Runes of Magic did this well too. However, I'd prefer something that didn't get too excessively theatrical like WoW would at times. Setting a fitting atmosphere is the goal.

3- Weak level tether. Yes, a level 10 character has no business hunting in a level 50 area. The point is more that I don't want some bottleneck at level 25 fighting precisely one monster in an inconvenient area because it is the only thing that yields even halfway decent exp. Meanwhile, if I have a quest or rare drop to find from something lower level, it would be nice to get diminished yet existing exp. It's also nice when rare drops that are useful are not strictly tied to level ranges such that there are items at level 25 that haven't become infinitely obsolete by 35 by every possible measure.

4- Item production outside hunting. Yeah, crafting is always in demand and never done right. This one's really just a bonus. Trickster had drilling which mattered for the longest time, but it ended up becoming a quest mechanism above all else. I'm not quite sure how this can be done right but I'd quite enjoy seeing someone try.

5- Not a PvP ego fest. Seriously. Not doing that. I want a social player base, not a trash talk forum.

So yeah, there you have it. Probably not easy to put those together, but getting #1, 2, and 5 all in one would be impressive on its own. Any thoughts or suggestions?

hmm, maybe.  Do you own a time machine?

Sadly, they don't make games like that anymore. 

  User Deleted
10/12/12 9:45:50 AM#3
Originally posted by saydur

1- Social player base.

It's not quite as social as FFXI was, and the player base at present can be a bit self-destructive at times (at least on the forums), but so far FFXIV has been the most social of all "modern" non-Indie MMORPGs for me. I'd say the gameplay influences this, with a full group consiting of 8 players, and the content having some degree of preparation time and downtime that encourages socialization. I can't say whether or not this will continue in 2.0 when the game shifts towards quest-based leveling, but at least for me I find that I'm more inclined to be social here than I am elsewhere.

2- Amazing soundtrack.

Not everyone enjoys the style, and it certainly can get a bit theatric at times, but here are some examples from FF14. I particularly like that they've been giving a lot of bosses their own battle themes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeHqi-asX-c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FFqzC7xVv0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaCMC_1-bhI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4Nszi0kigE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT10pSw6114

3- Weak level tether.

This one I can't speak to, since it's probably going to be subjective, and there's no telling how this will change in 2.0 since the battle system is going to be handled differently, but at least right now the disparity between gear 10 levels apart isn't too incredible, at least not before you hit max level. Taking on higher level enemies for increased exp is also possible, though the degree to which you can depends on a number of factors. As an example, I spent most of my lower levels as a thaumaturge soloing crabs that were 5+ levels above me, which was made easier by the fact that they were weak to my primary attack type (lightning).

4- Item production outside hunting.

I'm not 100% sure what you're asking for here - are you looking for things like automated harvesters in SWG that you could plop down and check up on, without having to actively gather? If so, I can't speak to that, but FF's crafting relies pretty heavily on gathering as well as hunting, though the actual reliance is going to be different for each craft. Player-made items are also better than most dropped items, at least when they've been affixed with materia.

5- Not a PvP ego fest. .

Can't say how this will look in 2.0 once PvP has been added in, but the FF MMOs have never struck me as the type to emphasize PvP too heavily.

 

So yeah, I'd have to say keep an eye out for FFXIV: A Realm Reborn. Everything about the relaunch is looking good in my opinion. As it is, I hated the game at launch, left after a month, and returned in January of this year to find that all the systems changes and added content added up to make it the only game in 6 years that has held me for any significant length of time.

  Jaedor

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Joined: 8/17/09
Posts: 916

10/12/12 11:13:51 AM#4

The Secret World, Arcadia dimension.

1. Great player community with lots of RP folks who are friendly, chatty & helpful.
2. Excellent soundtrack by Simon Poole, samples here: http://soundcloud.com/slipperhero/01-the-secret-world-theme http://soundcloud.com/slipperhero/this-bitter-earth-the-secret
3. Because progression is largely horizontal, you can definitely find yourself in places where you possibly "shouldn't" be. But with creative builds, some folks have done very well tackling mobs far higher than their supposed capabilities.
4. Crafting is minimal but useful. You can disassemble most everything and craft on the fly as needed: potions, elixirs, weapons, gear, glyphs and signets. Beyond that, there isn't much use yet.
5. PvP is relegated to certain areas and 1v1 dueling is located in the Fight Clubs. There is vertical progression, and between those folks and the PvPers there is plenty of ego flying about in places. But as you quest, they are mostly invisible.

Extras: CMs and devs post quite often on the forums and the player base is passionate. Modern setting, mature rating, fabulous lore/story. 3-day free trial can be extended.
http://www.thesecretworld.com/

  saydur

Novice Member

Joined: 9/15/05
Posts: 185

 
OP  10/14/12 8:18:31 AM#5

Kezzadrix- You crush my hopes and dreams almost as much as the state of gaming! I hear you though, I've resorted to empty replays of MMOs that are either ghost towns scraping by or empty shells of what they used to be.

 

AstralEcho- Tempting. FFXIV will absolutely have enough people to qualify for #1. Theatric music beats bad music, even if I have a fondness for light fluffy Korean MMO tunes. I sorely doubt it will become a PvP ego fest as well. I'll keep my eyes open.

This thing you said about a quest based level system though, please tell me that's not true. Please? That's what turns sandbox into theme park on a leash for me. I liked Ragnarok so much because levels and hunting were based on what could be killed, not what was the right level. It was more chasing items, resources, and upgrades than it was chasing exp. Trickster turned into a quest-chain system which really sapped a lot of the game from me. The story was surprisingly good which made it tolerable, but I just felt like the game wanted to dictate to me where I should be. You know, the classic "sandbox" argument that nobody ever seems to get right.

As for item production, I mean harvesting, gathering, and crafting in ways that don't require combat. I'd be more okay with combat requirements if it's not level tethered, but when it's all about "Kill X monster that is +/- 3 levels of yourself to obtain this drop" it loses a lot.

I'll give it a look.

 

Jaedor- On the advice of one friend who I join up with in almost any MMO either of us chooses, I'll have to skip TSW. He was rather emphatic about that one. Looks like the no level system fails to avoid the tether effect anyway.

  User Deleted
10/15/12 11:08:43 AM#6

Yeah, I hear you on your concerns about the quest-based leveling. That's the one thing I'm leery about, doubly so because Yoshida often mentions having played WoW and trying to bring FFXIV to the "baseline" that modern MMOs are at. At the same time, I'm pretty sure they've mentioned that there will be other leveling paths as well, I think NMs were meant to tie into that, but it's something I recall hearing during either the 25th Anniversary presentation or the Letter From The Producer Live, both of which are hour-long videos that I'm not ready to re-watch. >_> Ultimately the game does need to provide enough leveling content for nine separate combat classes, not counting any more that get added, so I'd be surprised if the questing was overly-linear.

I do, however, think that of all the modern theme-park MMOs, A Realm Reborn has the best chance of being different. SE added plenty of alternative / non-combat content in FFXI, and we're seeing that in XIV as well with the crafter/gatherer elements of Hamlet Defense, and housing, chocobo raising, and a casino the likes of Golden Saucer being planned either for the launch of A Realm Reborn, or shortly after.

That, and it pretty much has the crafting you're looking for. Gatherers even get a stealth ability so they can bypass enemies while hunting for nodes, so if you really wanted to there's no need to level up combat before working on crafting. There are some drops that only come from enemies, but as far as I'm aware there aren't any that can't be traded, so it'd just be a matter of getting those materials off of the market or building relationships with adventurers.