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10/12/12 7:21:17 AM#81
Originally posted by bcbully We have crossed this bridge many times - Xfire numbers are useless as it is a measure of Xfire users NOT All GW2 players.
Please understand that before you post.
I am in a guild on Gandara - we have 168 members and counting. That is not dying by any stretch of the imagination.  "You can fool some of the people all the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all the time." Abraham Lincoln |
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10/12/12 7:34:20 AM#82
Originally posted by bcbully For those of us that have graduated high school and aren't under peer pressure of trying to be popular, we have the ability to do things we like without needing confirmation that others approve.
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10/12/12 7:35:53 AM#83
Originally posted by botrytis A lot of smart people came up with this thing called "Math" a long long time ago. The amazing thing is, it still works today. DamonVile- Games built for disposable players are now apparently built by disposable employees. |
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10/12/12 7:41:20 AM#84
Originally posted by bcbully I don't use Xfire. Neither does anyone I know, nor do any of the people they know... "Math" is about facts, not what you want the truth to be based on unquantifiable variables. no GW2 won't kill WoW, but it's time to move on and quit worrying about those people still playing it. - eyelolled |
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10/12/12 7:42:34 AM#85
Originally posted by bcbully But even math can't save you from Xfire being totally useless as there are to many unknowns, but a smart person would have realised this already a long time ago. |
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10/12/12 7:44:15 AM#86
Except when it's GW2 fans posting Xfire charts on other games bombing (SWTOR and WOW threads still fresh in my memory).
Right? :)
Just saying both sides have the same sort of posters. Also, trying to pretend Xfire doesn't mean anything at all is quite laughable. Presidential polls are done with less reliable information and still count as meaning SOMETHING; nothing definitive, but still something. |
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10/12/12 7:45:21 AM#87
Originally posted by bcbully The fact is unless you know the percentage of players in agame, using Xfire, you cannot tell how a population is going. And don't say it is like a randomized pole (like with Political poles) it is not because certain people will use Xfire - it is not random.
Math still works - but you ACTAULLY have to have REAL numbers to back it up not imaginary ones. "You can fool some of the people all the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all the time." Abraham Lincoln |
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10/12/12 7:45:41 AM#88
Originally posted by JackFrosty Pretty much - I mean there is nothing left to do at endgame besides explore or do the exact same W v W v W every single night.... WHhat a sad joke for end game..... Darkfall's grind is kill 150 mobs for X prowess. in other MMO's we call that themepark and stupid. In Darkfall it is called "sandbox" and a brilliant system. Go figure, lol...... |
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10/12/12 7:46:59 AM#89
Originally posted by nsignific Nope I said many times - Xfire DOESNOT represent the population in ANY GAME. I have said that before and will say it again. I have been consistent with that.
SO please go laugh in a corner - you have been bad. "You can fool some of the people all the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all the time." Abraham Lincoln |
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10/12/12 7:47:18 AM#90
The game is very top heavy atleast on my server. Sp even though server status is full.. lower and mid zones are empty. That gives a feeling of being alone. In last two days for example in Timberline falls i can across total of two players. I had to abondon a lot of events because i couldn't solo those.
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10/12/12 7:49:03 AM#91
If you're on a low pop server that is bad at WvW, expect everyone to dissapear to Henge of Denravi, StormBluff Isle or Jade Quarry.
Holla'.
Also as much as people hate to believe it Xfire is good for gaining a sense of the population and how that population plays the game. Obviously less people play GW2 than WoW and GW2 players play more casually, as is represented on Xfire.
All the MMOs I played as the general population played less, the xfire numbers became smaller. Of course it's no where near accurate but it gives an idea.
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10/12/12 7:50:27 AM#92
Originally posted by bcbully
You seem to like using XFire as a reliable source as to the state of games. Well, let's do that... let's make the false assumption that XFire is somehow factually relevant and see what it tells us.
World of Warcraft. 9087 players, and the graph shows the standard surge in player time after release followed by the inevitable decent in hours played. If you look at the more recent dots, the decent is beginning to accellerate. 45,567 hours played averages to a current 5 hours per day per player.
Guild Wars 2. 6852 players and the graph following the same trend (over a longer period of time) as the WoW one above, but it's beginning to slowly flatten out instead of accellerate. 25071 hours played averages to a bit over three and a half hours per day per player.
Interestingly enough... according to XFire, Guild Wars 2 now has about 75% of the population (6852/9087) as WoW does. If you believe the "10 million players" (or whatever the current number is), that implies over seven million GW2 players now.
So, what does this tell us? Not a damned thing, to be honest.
Oderint, dum metuant. |
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10/12/12 7:53:50 AM#93
Originally posted by halflife25 still lots on Rall on all the lower zones I've been in..also pretty sure I have read numerous times on these forums that outside dungeons all pve content is brain dead easy and everything is soloable... so many conflicting statements on this game I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg |
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10/12/12 7:54:08 AM#94
Originally posted by Volkon I'll never believe that 10 million players nonsense. Random accounts subscribed on their parents credit cards still and chinese farmers don't count as players.
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10/12/12 7:56:24 AM#95
Originally posted by Volkon it just means, that a certain number of xfire users prefer to play League of legends.. over any other game.. if you don't use the Xfire tools for gaming, then there is no need to use Xfire at all, and for most MMO's that im aware of, Xfire doesnt actually provide anything useful, so why would they use it? If there was any real kind of trend, i would say that Xfire users tend to use multi player online games, and im guessing that those are the 'demographic' that Xfire provides 'tools' for. |
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10/12/12 8:05:51 AM#96
Originally posted by Aerowyn Yes if you don't want to follow chain of events and stick to hearts and doing only parts of events you can solo it. But i am pretty sure that those who say 'everythign is soloable' they usually mean general pve content and not the end bosses of events and dungeons. |
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10/12/12 8:07:14 AM#97
Originally posted by Pivotelite No - Xfire, as another poster alluded to, only trends one specific type of player not ALL MMO. You can't trend anything with that tool as it is not random. If it was random, you could use it, right now it is great for that type of player only. "You can fool some of the people all the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all the time." Abraham Lincoln |
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10/12/12 8:09:33 AM#98
Originally posted by Phry I agree with you fully. I actually installed XFire about a week before GW2 came out but wound up uninstalling it a couple weeks later simply because it was using resources and gave me nothing of value in return. Sadly, I probably count as an XFire user that "quit" GW2, even though I'm nearly as active as ever. Oderint, dum metuant. |
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10/12/12 8:09:57 AM#99
Originally posted by Half_Man_Half_Toon well propably your guild is an WoW guild : )
otherwise the game is full of active and the map chats are also active, finally its funny watching people agree with you that the game is dead :P
my guild is an casual one, that means no strong bonds between players and not active players, and we have everynight around 20-30 players active, and most of them representing ...
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10/12/12 8:10:54 AM#100
Originally posted by Pivotelite And why shouldn't they count? as long as accounts are active why does it matter if it is chinese farmers or younglings playign on their parents credit cards? |
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