I have seen a lot of kickstarter MMO threads on these forums lately.  

Ever since the laws for investing were changed, many great ideas for MMOs and video games in general have been acquiring some startup capital through kickstarter campaigns.  I think the idea of investing like this is great, but I want to see the results before I contribute my money to little more than ideas on a web page.  When we start seeing kickstarter-based MMOs actually being published and to a decent degree of quality, then I'll consider donating.

So, do you donate with the hopes that the "promised" game will be produced?  Do you donate knowing the money could just be wasted on a failed attempt to create something beyond the expertise of the individuals creating it?  Or are you like me, and want to see a kickstarter game be successful before risking an investment like that?

Kickstarting is interesting, but....

devs should show something before they start collecting money. I feel once I gave them my money, I have less "control" over the end product.

No.

I pay for products and services.

I do not pay for maybes and promises.

i for myself contributed $$ to obsidians project .

The reason is simple : they are right in saying that this way they gain more freedom in creating  what a old school rpg game realy should be:

a piece of art  that entertains you,  instead of a piece of  o shit that  feels unfinished and a lousy copy of  whats been already there a million times. They involve you in the creation process and give you frequent  updates.

Do i play roulette by paying for something that isnt yet accessible to me and is in the making ? I guess i do to certain degree. But i think they will be more carefull  more focused and throw in everything they got to offer   on this kickstarter  path , because they  fail on this theyre pretty much finished as a company.

Yeah, crowd-funding is the big thing nowadays, but I just feel that however cash-oriented businesses can be, at least they they don't have your money beforehand, so there's a limit to how much they can mess up for their own good. Personnally, I'm not from Rhode Island, and I don't want my money to go into a mini "38 studio" fiasco. Maybe it's short-sighted of me, and I still look at kickstarters just to see... But you know, if it's the business model you're talking about, not really my thing.

Originally posted by ohpower

Yeah, crowd-funding is the big thing nowadays, but I just feel that however cash-oriented businesses can be, at least they they don't have your money beforehand, so there's a limit to how much they can mess up for their own good. Personnally, I'm not from Rhode Island, and I don't want my money to go into a mini "38 studio" fiasco. Maybe it's short-sighted of me, and I still look at kickstarters just to see... But you know, if it's the business model you're talking about, not really my thing.

youre right ...and i wouldnt have spend a single dollar on any mini studio without any credentials .

Originally posted by stayontarget
Yes on this one:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YiHNDJyStWI

oh that looks neat . Ima take a look for certain

Originally posted by Pumuckl71

Originally posted by stayontarget
Yes on this one:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YiHNDJyStWI

oh that looks neat . Ima take a look for certain

Ah, yeah. Maybe for a single-player (or at least non MMO) game on Steam. It's not the same thing. But the subject is MMO kickstarters -not that my vision is that different for other games, but MMOs are just worst: you need to manage people, the social and community aspect of your game; that's one more layer of experience needed. For a single-player game, five people in a basement can make a pretty solid one provided they are talented and really dedicated. I really don't think it's the same thing.

I put it depends..

I have helped kickstart quite a few games now and some i am currently playing..

FTL, Chivalry, Endless Space and a few others.

I will generally only kickstart a game if I get a copy of such game and access to early beta so I can help out as much as possible.

They also have to have a good kickstarter page with good evidance they have a worknig product that is either not long off from late alpha stage or about to go into beta testing.

I just see it as an early pre-order just with added extras :)

Kickstarter and other similar things are one of the best thigns to happen to PC gamnig since Steam, and I am more than happy to support games that I like the sound of and that have good evidance they atualyl exist.

FTL is an awesome fun game and im glad i supported them.

Chivalry is also a good game and I am happy i put money in there.

Endless space did their own crowd funding thing that was similar to kickstarter and it also turned out to be a great game.

I have supported a few toher games liek Shadowrun Online and Planetary Anihilation both i really like the look of but dont have access to beta yet.

Will also be supporting Star Citizen when I get paid.

http://starcitizen.robertsspaceindustries.com/

So yeah i think Kickstarter is an awesome thing and we are finally going to start seeing games that we actually want to play. Of course i hope to see some awesome sandbox MMORPGs come out of kickstarter and thats somthing no big investors would even look at..

Actually thinking about it Monut and Blade did a very similar thing, you could pre-order early and get access to a very early alpha version of the game.

also minerwars did the same thing and Mincecraft.

of course Minecraft and Mount and Blade turned out to be massive massive games... Minerwars is just going into beta and its very good..

So yup Crowd funding is a very good thing for the gaming industry, time to get rid of the big publishers like EA.. I would much rarther give my cash to the devs than the publishers..

Originally posted by Pumuckl71

Originally posted by stayontarget
Yes on this one:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YiHNDJyStWI

oh that looks neat . Ima take a look for certain

Here ya go, their kickstarter site:  http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1035580424/blackspace-plan-dig-defend-survive

Originally posted by ohpower

Originally posted by Pumuckl71

Originally posted by stayontarget
Yes on this one:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YiHNDJyStWI

oh that looks neat . Ima take a look for certain

Ah, yeah. Maybe for a single-player (or at least non MMO) game on Steam. It's not the same thing. But the subject is MMO kickstarters -not that my vision is that different for other games, but MMOs are just worst: you need to manage people, the social and community aspect of your game; that's one more layer of experience needed. For a single-player game, five people in a basement can make a pretty solid one provided they are talented and really dedicated. I really don't think it's the same thing.

To be honest I don't give a shit if its a MMO or not,  if the concept is sound and looks like it would be fun to play then thats all I care about.

Originally posted by ohpower

Originally posted by Pumuckl71

Originally posted by stayontarget
Yes on this one:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YiHNDJyStWI

oh that looks neat . Ima take a look for certain

Ah, yeah. Maybe for a single-player (or at least non MMO) game on Steam. It's not the same thing. But the subject is MMO kickstarters -not that my vision is that different for other games, but MMOs are just worst: you need to manage people, the social and community aspect of your game; that's one more layer of experience needed. For a single-player game, five people in a basement can make a pretty solid one provided they are talented and really dedicated. I really don't think it's the same thing.

Well to fund an entire MMO from the scratch , i agree ....kickstarter  its not a suitable tool .

But for indie sandboxes specially   it could be interesting ....since their communities are sooooo commited (couldnt help to put in some sarcasm here ).

I will never kickstart a game.

I supported a few that either seemed like worthy causes or have a solid game that I want to play.

FTL was done via Kickstarter and that game is awesome. Just really really good and I'd be surprised if that doesn't make the makers of FTL enough to retire for the rest of their lives. It was in the top 3 on Steam at one point and that usually means 5-6 figure sales.

NO !!!

A fool and thier money are soon parted.

I don't think I'd ever donate to a Kickstart project but I'm open to the (rmote) possibility one of these days. 

On a slight tangent, I'd dismissed the FTL game out of hand, seeing the way they implemented the game, but it scores quite highly on Steam.  I may well have a look at it, seeing as it's pretty cheap.