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General Discussion  » Do you feel lied to, by Bioware/EA over SWTOR in some manner?

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  Beyorn

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Joined: 10/27/08
Posts: 231

10/09/12 8:00:32 PM#61
Seven that is a good screenshot.  All the robes I could find looked silly ;P.
  Karteli

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Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

10/09/12 8:01:08 PM#62
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by Draron
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Beyorn

Found It!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsstVnVTRyU

 

Mr. Ohlen talks about it at about 1:18.  i was hoping at the time this would be something other than raids/groups fighting bosses but I realize now how naive I was ;(.

Thats' the quote right there,

 

"One of the problem of other MMO combats is umm you also have scenarios where you have multiple heroes beating on a single enemy.  And that just isn't very heroic."

 

Lovely, is this content raid patch 1.6 then?  Face it, by Ohlen's own definition all raid content to date wasn't very heroic.

 

The SWTOR leader (who hasn't been fired or asked to leave) has spoken!

Did you listen to the next few seconds? Don't wanna get caught with egg on your face.

"What is heroic is a hero facing unbeatable odds against multiple enemies."

They made most trash mob encounters against multiple enemies. 

OMG... SWTOR is the biggest LIE EVER. There are single mobs in SWTOR and Ohlen said that there will be only super duper unbeatable crazy bastards arse kicking mobs challenging players.... This game needs to die!!!!!!!! OMG please somebody kill this game!!!! I can't take it anymore!!!!!!!

No matter that majority of mobs in SWTOR are multiple encounders - there are some single!!! What a LIE!!!!!

Grow up guys. Some of you are really borderline obseesive. What is it in this game that brings so much raw hatred is beyond me. No wonder that this world is on brink of destruction.

Spread the love guys instead of hate. At least a little bit of it.

We ask you to grow up. Why? Because details in this very thread indicate it's not just about the number of mobs to make an experience "epic".  It was multiple issues.  Read the remarks on the first page and comment on them.

 

It wasn't just 2,3 or even 10 things that killed this game .. it was many more. (anyone have a cite to the 1000 paper cuts link?)

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  User Deleted
10/09/12 8:04:35 PM#63

No, I don't feel lied to.

 

One forum of hobbiest / low-budget Indie devs had a long thread about SWTOR before release.  General opinion at the time was 1. Ultra-large budget + 2. Bioware = Amazing MMORPG.  Shame it didn't work out that way.

 

The biggest miscalculation, if any, was expected player response.  I think when the flipped the switch that openend the game, they still thought they had a winner on their hands.

  Sevenstar61

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Joined: 7/22/12
Posts: 1475

"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

10/09/12 8:05:27 PM#64
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by Draron
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Beyorn

Found It!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsstVnVTRyU

 

Mr. Ohlen talks about it at about 1:18.  i was hoping at the time this would be something other than raids/groups fighting bosses but I realize now how naive I was ;(.

Thats' the quote right there,

 

"One of the problem of other MMO combats is umm you also have scenarios where you have multiple heroes beating on a single enemy.  And that just isn't very heroic."

 

Lovely, is this content raid patch 1.6 then?  Face it, by Ohlen's own definition all raid content to date wasn't very heroic.

 

The SWTOR leader (who hasn't been fired or asked to leave) has spoken!

Did you listen to the next few seconds? Don't wanna get caught with egg on your face.

"What is heroic is a hero facing unbeatable odds against multiple enemies."

They made most trash mob encounters against multiple enemies. 

OMG... SWTOR is the biggest LIE EVER. There are single mobs in SWTOR and Ohlen said that there will be only super duper unbeatable crazy bastards arse kicking mobs challenging players.... This game needs to die!!!!!!!! OMG please somebody kill this game!!!! I can't take it anymore!!!!!!!

No matter that majority of mobs in SWTOR are multiple encounders - there are some single!!! What a LIE!!!!!

Grow up guys. Some of you are really borderline obseesive. What is it in this game that brings so much raw hatred is beyond me. No wonder that this world is on brink of destruction.

Spread the love guys instead of hate. At least a little bit of it.

We ask you to grow up. Why? Because details in this very thread indicate it's not just about the number of mobs to make an experience "epic".  It was multiple issues.  Read the remarks on the first page and comment on them.

 

It wasn't just 2,3 or even 10 things that killed this game .. it was many more. (anyone have a cite to the 1000 paper cuts link?)

Don't call something dead until it's pronounced dead.

 

[mod edit]


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  Jonoku

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Joined: 6/08/12
Posts: 663

"Veni Vidi Vici"

10/09/12 8:06:49 PM#65

They said they had good open world pvp on llum, yes I feel lied to with that statement. It is misleading

:(

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Preordering: None
Playing: Random Games

  ompgaming

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/11/08
Posts: 148

Know Thyself

10/09/12 8:07:24 PM#66

I don't feel lied to at all.  I think there were things they indicated would be in by launch that didn't make it, but I don't think it was intentional lieing, rather they made a mistake on how fast dev would go. 

That being said, the game was really a lot of what I expected it to be, there were just a few things about it that I didn't care for and thats why I left. 

But in no way do I feel lied to by the SWTOR team.   ME3, however, is another matter entirely.

Above all else... never ever piss off the penguin.

  Karteli

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

10/09/12 8:08:59 PM#67
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by Draron
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Beyorn

Found It!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsstVnVTRyU

 

Mr. Ohlen talks about it at about 1:18.  i was hoping at the time this would be something other than raids/groups fighting bosses but I realize now how naive I was ;(.

Thats' the quote right there,

 

"One of the problem of other MMO combats is umm you also have scenarios where you have multiple heroes beating on a single enemy.  And that just isn't very heroic."

 

Lovely, is this content raid patch 1.6 then?  Face it, by Ohlen's own definition all raid content to date wasn't very heroic.

 

The SWTOR leader (who hasn't been fired or asked to leave) has spoken!

Did you listen to the next few seconds? Don't wanna get caught with egg on your face.

"What is heroic is a hero facing unbeatable odds against multiple enemies."

They made most trash mob encounters against multiple enemies. 

OMG... SWTOR is the biggest LIE EVER. There are single mobs in SWTOR and Ohlen said that there will be only super duper unbeatable crazy bastards arse kicking mobs challenging players.... This game needs to die!!!!!!!! OMG please somebody kill this game!!!! I can't take it anymore!!!!!!!

No matter that majority of mobs in SWTOR are multiple encounders - there are some single!!! What a LIE!!!!!

Grow up guys. Some of you are really borderline obseesive. What is it in this game that brings so much raw hatred is beyond me. No wonder that this world is on brink of destruction.

Spread the love guys instead of hate. At least a little bit of it.

We ask you to grow up. Why? Because details in this very thread indicate it's not just about the number of mobs to make an experience "epic".  It was multiple issues.  Read the remarks on the first page and comment on them.

 

It wasn't just 2,3 or even 10 things that killed this game .. it was many more. (anyone have a cite to the 1000 paper cuts link?)

Don't call something dead until it's pronounced dead.

 

PS. We ask you to grow up? Are you implying that there is more than one of you in your body?

Killed =/= Dead, sweetie.  Keep trying :-)

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  Jonoku

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 6/08/12
Posts: 663

"Veni Vidi Vici"

10/09/12 8:09:25 PM#68
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Don't call something dead until it's pronounced dead.

English is a weird language, sometimes when people state such a word they aren't always literally talking it is dead. Depends on how you translate it, it can also be opinionated(idc if thats a word or not)

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  Karteli

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Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

10/09/12 8:19:59 PM#69
[mod edit] 

What BioWare once was, before EA. Good example.  EA now owns BioWare so there is not much to dispute there.

 

To your example:

BioWare is dead, but SWTOR is still kicking for it's life :-)  EA is strangling it, so .. they stuggle .. in a feat of defiance to the law, EA injects SWTOR with something .. Oh no, SWTOR seems sluggish now, they try to swing .. and miss! Oh no EA brings out the axe ..  This will hurt! EA deals a decisive blow! .. SWTOR is out, wow what violence we see on the internet :(

 

Wait wasn't SWTOR a source of income for EA? oops .. Tiger Woods, your next :-)

 

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  Hokie

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Joined: 1/11/04
Posts: 1015

Hey Devs, just so you know. The more you give us to play with, the more we play.

10/09/12 8:34:56 PM#70

No, I dont feel lied to, not at all.

I think SWToR is a good game. But it has it problems.

I think its class story and quest stories are top notch. And as much as I like GW2 I dont even bother to read the DE quest back story.

In SWToR I was always looking forward to each new quest cut scene. They dont replay that well the second time thru on the same class, but they still offered a little variation for the other classes, and races, and gender.

 

But I think Togrim said it best in one of his vids. Bioware spent 80%-90% of its effort and money on story and voice acting and not enough on gameplay. And he is correct, SWToR's story is second to none. But sadly that cant carry the other 10%-20% of the "neglected" game.

 

The rail-space combat was/is horrid. Its not even Star Wars-ish. It would have been better off left out of the game and added later as an expansion, so that it could be done properly.

The idea of personal space ships are great. Except that the arnt personal. There is no, as in zero, customization to a person ship. Hell, most of the ship had zero interaction to it, cant sit, cant sleep and so on. The companions are all static, they never move, never sleep, never talk to each other, never eat. And that has always been a "fail" in Bioware games. And Im not saying that because of GW2. I always felt it really wouldnt be that hard to code just some simple pathing. And its not, they do it all the time on the planets.

 

I could go on, but there is no need.

Its not a bad game, not by a long shot. But it could have been so much better.

With just a little more attention to other aspects of gameplay and "world", and some real effort done to the space part (this includes starships) of the game it may have kept more people intrested longer.

 

I still have hope for it. I'm still subbed even though I havent logged-in in over two months. I still want to see it succeed and have no problem giving them $15 a month to do it.

But I truely want to see some effort on their part, otherwise Im canceling and probably not coming back. And if I do come back it will only be in little spurts. Maybe two months here, maybe three there, but never an unbroken sub once they lose my loyalty.

 

"I understand that if I hear any more words come pouring out of your **** mouth, Ill have to eat every fucking chicken in this room."

  User Deleted
10/10/12 2:57:15 AM#71


Originally posted by Karteli
Content updates?  OK if thats not enought, how about fast content updates.  What about free updates?  "Makeb" might not be free..

James Ohlen
<snip>


Thanks Karteli for writing this up, i didn't feel like looking up most of the LIES they did do.
(It's not subjective it's a fact those are lies).

While a player may can give slack to statements concerning future updates, because sometimes things just change and timelines can't be hold, swtor is the first and hopefull last mmo who tries to cover up and claim the opposite, instead of fixing or admiting the issue.


The whole engine Texture atlas dilema is the most ridiculous bullshit i've ever personally had the honor to expirience. You may not have the ressources to resolve the engine issue (till today because the "high" texture mapping introduced with 1.2 isn't still "high") but outright lie and claim it was never intended despite the evidence? Despite continuing to release screenshots from working internal builds..

yeah...that's something you don't see everyday.

  User Deleted
10/10/12 3:09:24 AM#72


  User Deleted
10/10/12 3:10:59 AM#73

No.

 

I don't feel lied to.

 

I bought the game after reading the impressions of a lot of people who played in beta.  I did so because whether the game was bad or not, I wanted to experience it myself. I'm glad I did  because regardless of what you think about this game, it was a major release. Not only that, but I am interested in mmorpgs from the perspective of a player, a hobbyist, and also an academic. I buy a lot of games to try them out and see what makes them tick.

 

I quit playing SWTOR for substantially the same reasons people cited in their negative reviews of the game. I voluntarily bought the game knowing all of that in advance. I didn't feel deceived. 

 

However, had I bought the CE, I might feel disgruntled.

 

I do have some negative feelings toward the title, but these are quite similar to the views others have stated on these forums way more times than necessary. The main point for me is the loss of SWG which I did play for a short time at the end of its life. I had more fun in that game than I had in SWTOR and feel disappointed that we lost SWG because of SWTOR. That's all.

  Amana

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10/10/12 1:31:20 PM#74
Cleaned up a derail. Please don't argue semantics at the cost of taking over the thread. 

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  WhiteLantern

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10/10/12 1:39:27 PM#75

No, it was exactly what I was expecting with the exception that it wasn't, in the end, as fun as I would have liked. Not to say it wasn't fun, just not as much as I would have liked.

I will go back when it goes F2P to finish my stories.

I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

  Caskio

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10/10/12 1:58:23 PM#76

The only thing I can think of is the group of players not beating on 1 mob.  They did go back on this statement.

Otherwise the game was exactly like I thought it would be.  In fact, I recently re-subbed to play again.  Still a fun game, just not long lasting.

"If you're going to act like a noob, I'll treat you like one." -Caskio

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  StonesDK

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10/10/12 1:59:14 PM#77

Epic storylines, less than mediocre gameplay.

I didn't feel lied to. I knew I was buying story and weak gameplay when I made my purchase, That's how all bioware games are like

  korent1991

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10/10/12 2:04:05 PM#78

Not feeling I was lied to...

Tho I'm still sad and dissapointed when I look at the game... It could've been SO MUCH MORE, but as usual €A destroyed that train as well...

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  Tuchaka

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Joined: 4/14/10
Posts: 451

10/10/12 2:11:15 PM#79

    I was one who was riding the hype wave with swtor , i didn't think it would be perfect or anything nuts like that but i did expect it to do well. So ya am i dissapointed of course, but lied to me not at all. All gaming companies engage in what I would corporate 'spin' so while there were statements made by dev's i think in plain english turned out to be BS*, every single game company does this its cause millions of dollars are on the line i mean duh.....its like being mad when a politician lies to you .....hell0 they lie for a living its their job. I mean what's next people getting mad cause water is wet.

 

    As a consumer i don't owe any company jack i can leave anytime if i payed for some super long subscription period, or I pre-ordered that is my problem as a consumer there are always companies out there that are less than honest in their marketing but guess what i get to boycott them if i want, there is nothing being forced. So do i think anyone at bioware owe's me an apology hell no they are the ones that are gonna get fired and loose money over swtor.

 

 

 

* in particular I think all the this game will have exploration and sandbox elements to it, turned out to be BS in my mind a few datacrons here and there does not make a sandbox that was just spin to try and get the 'we wan't a sandbox MMO' crowd to give their game a shot. It's one quest hub to the next just like wow except this one has voice. It couldn't be anymore themepark if it tried to be.

  Anubisan

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Joined: 1/09/05
Posts: 1827

10/10/12 2:45:59 PM#80

No. I do not feel lied to. The game was pretty much exactly what I expected it to be based on what Bioware said it was all along. I think most of the people who feel 'lied' to are only feeling that way because they built up entirely false and unreasonable expectations for the game and thought it to be something it was never in any way going to be.

Bioware was fairly straight-forward with people about what they were doing with this title and they delivered basically everything promised. They never promised a sandbox. They never promised huge open space exploration. They never promised to totally change combat or group dynamics. THEY NEVER PROMISED SWG2. Quite the contrary in fact. Bioware never promised any of the things that people, for some strange reason, expected them to deliver.

It is the deranged would-be fans' faults for not paying attention to what the game was actually intended to be and expecting something completely different.

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